Since my Hercules vs Wonder Woman seemed one sided to a lot of people, this is happening
vs.
Rules
- Round 1 Pre 52 Supes, round 2 New 52 Supes
- SPEED STILL EQUALIZE
- win by KO, Death, or Incap
- No BFR
- Starts in Hell's Kitchen
Since my Hercules vs Wonder Woman seemed one sided to a lot of people, this is happening
vs.
@noone301994: both rounds?
@hammer_of_j2: Round 1 might be more questionable.
Superman Stomps . Too much ways to defeat Hercules. He has range and is a smart tactical fighter.
New 52 slaughters him. He is dangerous fighter and uses his cape rather well along with his range of powers and then there is the easy win aka BFR and he has done this pretty often.
Superman Stomps . Too much ways to defeat Hercules. He has range and is a smart tactical fighter.
New 52 slaughters him. He is dangerous fighter and uses his cape rather well along with his range of powers and then there is the easy win aka BFR and he has done this pretty often.
Yes. BFR or rips him in Half, and Herc lacks feats to say he can contend at that level. Pre 52 is a tad soft and stronger by feats. New 52 is more hardcore and solid mean. :D
Superman but closer than people are making it out to believe
Pretty much this.
Superman wins more comfortably in the first round due to his Pre New 52 incarnation being more tactical and having better heat vision/freeze breath feats. As for Round 2, New 52 Superman would probably find it much harder to win since he's less of a smart fighter and less experienced but he has the physicals and versatility to pull off a slight majority.
@shaokahn: Hercules never lost to Hulk so many times, that is a flat out lie. And neiter is Superman far superior to Hulk in terms of everything another flat out lie, i mean just compare things like healing factors and your post becomes comedic.
@hammer_of_j2: which version of Hercules? He has quite a few
@atheistknowledge: Superman is vastly stronger , faster ,agile and way powerful than the Hulk .
@shaokahn: Well i am glad you have your opinion but you said Superman is superior to Hulk in every category which is a flat out lie, so i guess your opinions ain't that much.
Still backing Herc for both rounds. Round 2 is close but Herc being a superior fighter will go a long way.
Hercules. Even without speed equalization I'd still take him. Sick of hearing the blitz argument for every DC character ever.
Hercules. Even without speed equalization I'd still take him. Sick of hearing the blitz argument for every DC character ever.
Just because you're sick of valid and empirically supported arguments proving your opinions wrong doesn't make them any less correct. I would be very very surprised if you could come close to convincing many people that Hercules beats Superman without these speed equalised conditions. You wouldn't get far at all if posters like me rebutted your arguments too.
Still backing Herc for both rounds. Round 2 is close but Herc being a superior fighter will go a long way.
I seriously doubt that fighting skill of all things will play a role here. Or that Hercules wins a majority for that matter. Also round 2 being closer doesn't make any sense.
@ancient_0f_days: @highaccuser
Superman is more durable but Hercules has a almost equal durability with Hulk for somebody who is not invulnerable that's impresive and if he had the Nemean Lion Skin then they would be almost equal Superman would have a little of advantage. Plus he has a healing factor who allow him to regenerate his skin really easy. has gone toe to toe with Thor and he admits that Hercules is stronger and better fighter than he is. Plus if he is allowed to use all his weapons Superman will not stand a chance with Hercules, specially if he uses the Medusa Shield thing.
@highaccuser: Your assumption would be highly incorrect about fighting skill. Hercules takes a majority IMO, I never specified by how much but he can pull it off. As for Round 2 being close not making much sense that assumption is also incorrect for reasons already stated above.
Hercules. Even without speed equalization I'd still take him. Sick of hearing the blitz argument for every DC character ever.
This
@highaccuser: Your assumption would be highly incorrect about fighting skill. Hercules takes a majority IMO, I never specified by how much but he can pull it off. As for Round 2 being close not making much sense that assumption is also incorrect for reasons already stated above.
And your assumption that Hercules can take Superman would be highly incorrect too. Pre New 52 Superman is far more tactical, resourceful and versatile than Hercules as well as being stronger and more durable than him. Superman's use of powers in combat coupled with his strategic on the fly tactics provides him with better chances of victory too. Your arguments make little sense given the context and evidence mounted against you. Especially when you haven't qualified how or why Hercules wins, weakening the credibility of your argument massively
Round 2 is close but because Superman is still physically superior to Hercules, he can take a majority. Hercules' fighting skill feats are merely statements and hyperbolic exagerations of him supposedly having thousands of years combat experience yet his on panel feats involve him bludgeoning his foes same as Thor. On panel events trumps statements categorically and denying this is a pure logical fallacy.
@highaccuser: Your assumption would be highly incorrect about fighting skill. Hercules takes a majority IMO, I never specified by how much but he can pull it off. As for Round 2 being close not making much sense that assumption is also incorrect for reasons already stated above.
And your assumption that Hercules can take Superman would be highly incorrect too. Pre New 52 Superman is far more tactical, resourceful and versatile than Hercules as well as being stronger and more durable than him. Superman's use of powers in combat coupled with his strategic on the fly tactics provides him with better chances of victory too. Your arguments make little sense given the context and evidence mounted against you. Especially when you haven't qualified how or why Hercules wins, weakening the credibility of your argument massively
Round 2 is close but because Superman is still physically superior to Hercules, he can take a majority. Hercules' fighting skill feats are merely statements and hyperbolic exagerations of him supposedly having thousands of years combat experience yet his on panel feats involve him bludgeoning his foes same as Thor. On panel events trumps statements categorically and denying this is a pure logical fallacy.
Oh that's rich coming from you considering you still haven't specified how you would have handled ISIS on a previous thread, when what you were saying was nothing more than a rant about religion and Christians being hypocrites even when religion was nowhere in sight in said context. And of course when asked to back up your claim by nearly everyone on the thread you fled.......... but that's beside the point. I never planned on debating my point intensely, simply stating my opinion and leaving as others have done in peace. If you wanna debate then I'm sure some other Viners on this thread would love to take a stab at a "poster like you". Since you hold yourself in such high regard my friend :)
P.S: I've paid attention to the evidence and arguments presented above and done my own personal research as well. And guess what????? I went with Herc by a hair ;)
@conner_wolf, do you have an opinion here? I think I'm backing Hercules.
@frisky4: If speed is Equalized, Hercules, no question
@chimeroid: Not chaos war, I'm gonna say current. And what other versions are there? I know there is Chaos war Herc and normal Herc
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