#1 Edited by WillPayton (9456 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman vs Hal Jordan

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The Guardians put these two into a battle of willpower to see who's more worthy of being the protector of Earth. They transfer both of their minds into a virtual world where willpower and determination decide who's more powerful and what they can do. They are both told that the fate of the Earth is at stake, and they need to do whatever is necessary to win and save the Earth. This means completely defeating the other.

Who wins this psychic battle of willpower?

#2 Posted by nickzambuto (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal should win, but I like to believe Supes can when the world is at stake.

#3 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21878 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

Hal should win, but I like to believe Supes can when the world is at stake.

I Agree with this

#4 Posted by Immortal777 (7588 posts) - - Show Bio

With the fate of the world at stake I go with Superman heck even if it was the fate of 1 person i would go with Superman.

#5 Posted by Sethlol (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

Hal should win, but I like to believe Supes can when the world is at stake.

#6 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

Hal should win, but I like to believe Supes can when the world is at stake.

#7 Posted by WillPayton (9456 posts) - - Show Bio

What willpower feats does Superman have?

#8 Posted by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

In a possible future, President Superman used ONLY his Willpower to take Guy Gardners Ring. Yeah, and as he held it, he waxed about how he'd be the most powerful being in the universe if he kept it, but he gave it to Hal saying no man should have that much power.

Hal's own ring actually originally wanted a certain "Clark Kent", however, Abin Sur recognized him as a Kryptonian and said it had to be a Human.

Superman was pretty much the only being in the multiverse who was resisting Emperor Joker. It came down to final show of Willpower at the end of everything.

He resisted Dominus, and it seemed to be a feat largely based on willpower.

Superman could easily use a power ring any time he's been shown to have one, Batman needed some schooling before he was worth a damn with it, as did Hal.

One of my favorites, but it is pre-crisis, is ripping himself free of the Black Mercy. Maybe one of the greatest willpower feats there is.

Superman has the most powerful Willpower on Earth, but its often forgotten because he so rarely cornered like others and some hilarious folks even say Batman has more Willpower than him and the GLs.

#9 Posted by Qpzmg (976 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman easy.

#10 Posted by WillPayton (9456 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo said:

Hal's own ring actually originally wanted a certain "Clark Kent", however, Abin Sur recognized him as a Kryptonian and said it had to be a Human.

Is that true? I thought it was Hal and Guy who were chosen, but Hal was closer. I dont remember Clark being chosen first.

#11 Posted by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

In Action Comics #642, it was revealed that Superman was one of a group of 8 strong-willed people on Earth who were potential candidates to be Abin Sur's replacement as Green Lantern 2814 (along with Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, Nightwing and five other men who were unnamed). Superman was ultimately disqualified from being a candidate because Guardian law required that each sector's Lantern should be a native of that sector, and since Superman was born on Krypton, he could not be Sector 2814's GL. It's an indication that he at least had the willpower to be a Lantern, though how much in comparison to Hal's is really anyone's guess. There's a lot of contradictory accounts of Superman's willpower. In Divided We Fall, the Cathexis claimed Superman had "the strongest superhuman will in the galaxy" (although Hal was dead at the time), but in The Tenth Circle, Nudge (a telepath whose mind-control powers only work if she can overpower her opponent's will) took control of Superman's mind even though she later couldn't overpower the will of Batman of all people.

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#12 Posted by Clark_EL (2654 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: cool

#13 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

Hal should win, but I like to believe Supes can when the world is at stake.

#14 Posted by BigCimmerian (8317 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

In Action Comics #642, it was revealed that Superman was one of a group of 8 strong-willed people on Earth who were potential candidates to be Abin Sur's replacement as Green Lantern 2814 (along with Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, Nightwing and five other men who were unnamed). Superman was ultimately disqualified from being a candidate because Guardian law required that each sector's Lantern should be a native of that sector, and since Superman was born on Krypton, he could not be Sector 2814's GL. It's an indication that he at least had the willpower to be a Lantern, though how much in comparison to Hal's is really anyone's guess. There's a lot of contradictory accounts of Superman's willpower. In Divided We Fall, the Cathexis claimed Superman had "the strongest superhuman will in the galaxy" (although Hal was dead at the time), but in The Tenth Circle, Nudge (a telepath whose mind-control powers only work if she can overpower her opponent's will) took control of Superman's mind even though she later couldn't overpower the will of Batman of all people.

Your knowledge impress me as always.

#15 Posted by SupermanWins465 (218 posts) - - Show Bio
 Hal, takes this one
#16 Posted by Clark_EL (2654 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal...

#17 Posted by sabracadabra (556 posts) - - Show Bio

no doubt hal has mazing willpower, but Superman is the epitome of willpower. The guy never gives up or despairs. I know its non-canon, but look at superman/aliens croossover. even when the aliens were literally outside the door and supermans power was almost gone, he never gave up. also final crisis is another good example of supe's willpower.

#18 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going with the guy that constantly uses will power as the basis of his character.

#19 Posted by weaponx (1566 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal. It is what he does.

#20 Edited by Jimishim12 (421 posts) - - Show Bio

Supes, the first meaning of heroic willpower.

#21 Posted by MonsterStomp (18062 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal

#22 Posted by dondave (37516 posts) - - Show Bio

Harold

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#23 Posted by reaverlation (15926 posts) - - Show Bio

Jordan

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#24 Posted by sheryinistoosexy (722 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman has more willpower than Supes. Hal wins.

#25 Posted by PapiNacho (2410 posts) - - Show Bio

And yet Sinestro overpowered him with but a mention of Hal's loved ones.

#26 Posted by PapiNacho (2410 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

In Action Comics #642, it was revealed that Superman was one of a group of 8 strong-willed people on Earth who were potential candidates to be Abin Sur's replacement as Green Lantern 2814 (along with Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, Nightwing and five other men who were unnamed). Superman was ultimately disqualified from being a candidate because Guardian law required that each sector's Lantern should be a native of that sector, and since Superman was born on Krypton, he could not be Sector 2814's GL. It's an indication that he at least had the willpower to be a Lantern, though how much in comparison to Hal's is really anyone's guess. There's a lot of contradictory accounts of Superman's willpower. In Divided We Fall, the Cathexis claimed Superman had "the strongest superhuman will in the galaxy" (although Hal was dead at the time), but in The Tenth Circle, Nudge (a telepath whose mind-control powers only work if she can overpower her opponent's will) took control of Superman's mind even though she later couldn't overpower the will of Batman of all people.

Well there were 8 strong-willed people, one of them could have been Batman.

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#28 Edited by Easternwind (3878 posts) - - Show Bio

Victor Von Doom comes in and stomps both at the same time

Purple man: TAKE A FLYING LEAP

KILL YOURSELF!

Doom: lolno

#29 Posted by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

@papinacho said:

@saren said:

In Action Comics #642, it was revealed that Superman was one of a group of 8 strong-willed people on Earth who were potential candidates to be Abin Sur's replacement as Green Lantern 2814 (along with Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, Nightwing and five other men who were unnamed). Superman was ultimately disqualified from being a candidate because Guardian law required that each sector's Lantern should be a native of that sector, and since Superman was born on Krypton, he could not be Sector 2814's GL. It's an indication that he at least had the willpower to be a Lantern, though how much in comparison to Hal's is really anyone's guess. There's a lot of contradictory accounts of Superman's willpower. In Divided We Fall, the Cathexis claimed Superman had "the strongest superhuman will in the galaxy" (although Hal was dead at the time), but in The Tenth Circle, Nudge (a telepath whose mind-control powers only work if she can overpower her opponent's will) took control of Superman's mind even though she later couldn't overpower the will of Batman of all people.

Well there were 8 strong-willed people, one of them could have been Batman.

No, all 8 showed up on-panel. Batman wasn't among them.

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#30 Posted by PapiNacho (2410 posts) - - Show Bio
#31 Posted by WillPayton (9456 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@papinacho said:

@saren said:

In Action Comics #642, it was revealed that Superman was one of a group of 8 strong-willed people on Earth who were potential candidates to be Abin Sur's replacement as Green Lantern 2814 (along with Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, Nightwing and five other men who were unnamed). Superman was ultimately disqualified from being a candidate because Guardian law required that each sector's Lantern should be a native of that sector, and since Superman was born on Krypton, he could not be Sector 2814's GL. It's an indication that he at least had the willpower to be a Lantern, though how much in comparison to Hal's is really anyone's guess. There's a lot of contradictory accounts of Superman's willpower. In Divided We Fall, the Cathexis claimed Superman had "the strongest superhuman will in the galaxy" (although Hal was dead at the time), but in The Tenth Circle, Nudge (a telepath whose mind-control powers only work if she can overpower her opponent's will) took control of Superman's mind even though she later couldn't overpower the will of Batman of all people.

Well there were 8 strong-willed people, one of them could have been Batman.

No, all 8 showed up on-panel. Batman wasn't among them.

Scans?

In any case, sounds like a screwup by the writer. Batman should definitely be up there in the top tier of those with willpower on DC Earth. No way Guy Gardner and Nightwing have better willpower than Bruce.

#32 Posted by PapiNacho (2410 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: In my head-canon the ring immediately detected that Batman used fear as a weapon and disqualified him.

#33 Posted by WillPayton (9456 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: In my head-canon the ring immediately detected that Batman used fear as a weapon and disqualified him.

That would kind of make sense.

#34 Posted by TheMagicStik (1763 posts) - - Show Bio

@papinacho: But Guy repped the Qwardian ring for a long time.

#35 Posted by PapiNacho (2410 posts) - - Show Bio

@themagicstik: Sure but he got the green ring before the yellow ring, as did Sinestro. When Sinestro first got the Green lantern ring he wasn't using fear as he thought it was to chaotic. People evolve and the sometimes change back. Batman doesn't want to change, fear is his weapon.

#36 Posted by Tohoma (1439 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal

#37 Posted by XiiX (8275 posts) - - Show Bio

@weaponx said:

Hal. It is what he does.

#38 Posted by ComicStooge (12858 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

In Action Comics #642, it was revealed that Superman was one of a group of 8 strong-willed people on Earth who were potential candidates to be Abin Sur's replacement as Green Lantern 2814 (along with Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, Nightwing and five other men who were unnamed). Superman was ultimately disqualified from being a candidate because Guardian law required that each sector's Lantern should be a native of that sector, and since Superman was born on Krypton, he could not be Sector 2814's GL. It's an indication that he at least had the willpower to be a Lantern, though how much in comparison to Hal's is really anyone's guess. There's a lot of contradictory accounts of Superman's willpower. In Divided We Fall, the Cathexis claimed Superman had "the strongest superhuman will in the galaxy" (although Hal was dead at the time), but in The Tenth Circle, Nudge (a telepath whose mind-control powers only work if she can overpower her opponent's will) took control of Superman's mind even though she later couldn't overpower the will of Batman of all people.

Bruce's will is stronger than Clark's though, in all fairness.

#39 Posted by Whirlwind_33 (1590 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal

#40 Edited by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@papinacho said:

@saren said:

In Action Comics #642, it was revealed that Superman was one of a group of 8 strong-willed people on Earth who were potential candidates to be Abin Sur's replacement as Green Lantern 2814 (along with Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, Nightwing and five other men who were unnamed). Superman was ultimately disqualified from being a candidate because Guardian law required that each sector's Lantern should be a native of that sector, and since Superman was born on Krypton, he could not be Sector 2814's GL. It's an indication that he at least had the willpower to be a Lantern, though how much in comparison to Hal's is really anyone's guess. There's a lot of contradictory accounts of Superman's willpower. In Divided We Fall, the Cathexis claimed Superman had "the strongest superhuman will in the galaxy" (although Hal was dead at the time), but in The Tenth Circle, Nudge (a telepath whose mind-control powers only work if she can overpower her opponent's will) took control of Superman's mind even though she later couldn't overpower the will of Batman of all people.

Well there were 8 strong-willed people, one of them could have been Batman.

No, all 8 showed up on-panel. Batman wasn't among them.

Scans?

In any case, sounds like a screwup by the writer. Batman should definitely be up there in the top tier of those with willpower on DC Earth. No way Guy Gardner and Nightwing have better willpower than Bruce.

The guy on the far left is Superman.

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#41 Posted by WillPayton (9456 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@willpayton said:

@saren said:

No, all 8 showed up on-panel. Batman wasn't among them.

Scans?

In any case, sounds like a screwup by the writer. Batman should definitely be up there in the top tier of those with willpower on DC Earth. No way Guy Gardner and Nightwing have better willpower than Bruce.

The guy on the far left is Superman.

Is there a panel that says that guy is Clark? Also, maybe Batman is one of the others in disguise. Could be he was disguised for an investigation at the time this happened.

Also, why no women?

Lastly, are these all the top 8 from Earth... or only from the area close enough around? Everyone in the pic looks like they could be Americans.

#42 Posted by reaverlation (15926 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: On like the next page/scan,Clark reveals himself to Hal and Deadman by speeding up his senses

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#43 Edited by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@willpayton said:

@saren said:

No, all 8 showed up on-panel. Batman wasn't among them.

Scans?

In any case, sounds like a screwup by the writer. Batman should definitely be up there in the top tier of those with willpower on DC Earth. No way Guy Gardner and Nightwing have better willpower than Bruce.

The guy on the far left is Superman.

Is there a panel that says that guy is Clark? Also, maybe Batman is one of the others in disguise. Could be he was disguised for an investigation at the time this happened.

Also, why no women?

Lastly, are these all the top 8 from Earth... or only from the area close enough around? Everyone in the pic looks like they could be Americans.

It's Clark. He accelerates his personal speed until the time-stop doesn't affect him, claims he doesn't know why it doesn't work on him, and then lectures Hal on duty and responsibility or something like that.

They're the 8 from Earth. No women because no flighty hussies in the 80's GLC, thanks very much.

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#44 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21878 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@willpayton said:

@saren said:

No, all 8 showed up on-panel. Batman wasn't among them.

Scans?

In any case, sounds like a screwup by the writer. Batman should definitely be up there in the top tier of those with willpower on DC Earth. No way Guy Gardner and Nightwing have better willpower than Bruce.

The guy on the far left is Superman.

Is there a panel that says that guy is Clark? Also, maybe Batman is one of the others in disguise. Could be he was disguised for an investigation at the time this happened.

Also, why no women?

Lastly, are these all the top 8 from Earth... or only from the area close enough around? Everyone in the pic looks like they could be Americans.

lol, thats grasping at straws.

#45 Posted by ssj_god (5229 posts) - - Show Bio

hmm.. hard one.. if a battle of will power.. not a battle in which who'll win.. then could go either way

#46 Posted by Experio (16062 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal

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#48 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal.

#49 Edited by dorukesin (6030 posts) - - Show Bio

guys you're forgetting superman's greatest super power