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#1 Edited by Ian_Somerhalder (94 posts) - - Show Bio

God Castiel is in no danger of self destruction or corruption from Leviathans.

Round 1: 1 on 1

Round 2: Loser gets help (Superman would get aid from the Flash) (Castiel would be aided by Lucifer and Michael from SPN)

NOTE: This is not the animated Superman, it's the comicbook planet moving ,etc.. one.

#2 Posted by Saren (24340 posts) - - Show Bio

Spite.

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#3 Posted by Ian_Somerhalder (94 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: I'm not trying to spite anyone;would you care to elaborate?

#4 Posted by Illuminatus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane said:

Spite.

#5 Posted by Saren (24340 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ian_Somerhalder said:

@CitizenBane: I'm not trying to spite anyone;would you care to elaborate?

Forget what I said, I'm really sleepy right now and I can't recall the things Cass, Lucifer and Michael did. I'll stay out of this for the time being.

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#6 Posted by Ian_Somerhalder (94 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus: Is anyone going to bother to explain this to me?

#7 Posted by Ian_Somerhalder (94 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Yeah sleepiness can be a bum :P It's all good.

#8 Posted by Illuminatus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ian_Somerhalder said:

@Illuminatus: Is anyone going to bother to explain this to me?

I'm almost positive that Superman has no way of hurting God Castiel.
#9 Posted by Ian_Somerhalder (94 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus: Alright good start, but could you give some more insight.

In all fairness I've only seen two impressive feats from God Cass, and I doubt the Archangels of SPN are any where close to DC/Vertigo angels.

I thought Superman's feats of moving planets and withstanding supernova's would make a decent level of an opposition.

#10 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

spite

#11 Posted by Illuminatus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ian_Somerhalder said:

@Illuminatus: Alright good start, but could you give some more insight.

In all fairness I've only seen two impressive feats from God Cass, and I doubt the Archangels of SPN are any where close to DC/Vertigo angels.

I thought Superman's feats of moving planets and withstanding supernova's would make a decent level of an opposition.

I assumed we were using DCnU Superman..
#12 Posted by Ian_Somerhalder (94 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: Spite would consist of me having some sort of spitefullness against one of the characters; I don't. If you think it's unfair, it would be nice to give some detailed feedback rather than just assuming I'm some troll and saying "spite."

I explained why I don't think this is incredibly unfair,so I think I should be entitled to a good discussion.

#13 Posted by Ian_Somerhalder (94 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

@Ian_Somerhalder said:

@Illuminatus: Alright good start, but could you give some more insight.

In all fairness I've only seen two impressive feats from God Cass, and I doubt the Archangels of SPN are any where close to DC/Vertigo angels.

I thought Superman's feats of moving planets and withstanding supernova's would make a decent level of an opposition.

I assumed we were using DCnU Superman..

Oh the animated one?

#14 Posted by Saren (24340 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ian_Somerhalder said:

@Illuminatus: Alright good start, but could you give some more insight.

In all fairness I've only seen two impressive feats from God Cass, and I doubt the Archangels of SPN are any where close to DC/Vertigo angels.

I thought Superman's feats of moving planets and withstanding supernova's would make a decent level of an opposition.

The archangels of SPN aren't anywhere close to Vertigo's, but then again SPN's angels can only be killed by those angel-killing blades.

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#15 Posted by Ian_Somerhalder (94 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Well I'm glad we agree on point one, however I think it's similar to the whole only one way to kill a vampire,werewolf,etc..

It's like saying a werewolf wouldn't survive being thrown in a meat grinder since it wasn't shot with a silver bullet.

It still think Superman with his shown feats would be a somewhat decent contender against God Cas.

#16 Posted by Illuminatus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ian_Somerhalder said:

@Illuminatus said:

@Ian_Somerhalder said:

@Illuminatus: Alright good start, but could you give some more insight.

In all fairness I've only seen two impressive feats from God Cass, and I doubt the Archangels of SPN are any where close to DC/Vertigo angels.

I thought Superman's feats of moving planets and withstanding supernova's would make a decent level of an opposition.

I assumed we were using DCnU Superman..

Oh the animated one?

No, the post-Flashpoint version.
#17 Posted by Saren (24340 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ian_Somerhalder said:

@CitizenBane: Well I'm glad we agree on point one, however I think it's similar to the whole only one way to kill a vampire,werewolf,etc..

It's like saying a werewolf wouldn't survive being thrown in a meat grinder since it wasn't shot with a silver bullet.

It still think Superman with his shown feats would be a somewhat decent contender against God Cas.

Yeah but in the episode where Anna killed Uriel when he attacked Cass it was explicitly stated that only an angel could kill another angel. Alastair was a white-eyed demon, which places him at the top of the food chain just below Lilith, but he himself said he couldn't kill Cass. And that was when he was just an angel, long before he absorbed all the souls of Purgatory.

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#18 Posted by Ian_Somerhalder (94 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: But at which point do you think they would draw the line, I'm sure cosmic being like God and Death would have no problem kill off angels. The colt can kill anyone outside of 5 beings (there's millions of angels), and Jesse(Demon-human hybrid) was supposedly capable of killing thousands of angels with his powers. Don't you think Superman would be in a similar tier?

#19 Posted by Saren (24340 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ian_Somerhalder said:

@CitizenBane: But at which point do you think they would draw the line, I'm sure cosmic being like God and Death would have no problem kill off angels. The colt can kill anyone outside of 5 beings (there's millions of angels), and Jesse(Demon-human hybrid) was supposedly capable of killing thousands of angels with his powers. Don't you think Superman would be in a similar tier?

There are four ways to kill an angel:

A) Pick up an angel-killing blade and stab the angel in question;

B) Shoot the angel with the Colt;

C) A higher-tier angel like Lucifer or Michael snaps his fingers and the angel explodes;

D) A cosmic entity like God or Death kills the angel.

The problem is that Cass is immune to option A, since Sam already tried it and it failed. Superman does not know about the Colt, much less where it is. And I don't think the Colt even works any more. Jesse was the Anti-Christ and supposedly had massive reality-altering abilities (he turned Cass into an action figure IIRC). Superman does not have any abilities of the same kind. There's no way for him to win. He doesn't have or know about the tools, and he's not on par with the kind of people who can kill angels without the tools.

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#20 Posted by Ian_Somerhalder (94 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Well so far as we've seen, but then again is there really any like Superman in Supernatural? I thought planet shattering punches may have some effect.

I'm not sure if this was a figure of speach or an accurate comparison ,but I recall someone reffering to souls (being made of pure energy) having the power of some sort of nuclear weapon, and Castiel after absorbing purgatory would have power like a Sun.

#21 Posted by Saren (24340 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ian_Somerhalder said:

@CitizenBane: Well so far as we've seen, but then again is there really any like Superman in Supernatural? I thought planet shattering punches may have some effect.

I'm not sure if this was a figure of speach or an accurate comparison ,but I recall someone reffering to souls (being made of pure energy) having the power of some sort of nuclear weapon, and Castiel after absorbing purgatory would have power like a Sun.

It doesn't matter how hard they get punched if they can only die under certain circumstances. Getting punched by Superman will not kill an angel.

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#22 Posted by Ian_Somerhalder (94 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: I don't think that's the case.

If I could restate my werewolf meatgrinder analogy, I think it would follow the same logic. Although, you hold a valid point,I'm not sure how to determine what would or wouldn't work outside speculation. I just thought Superman's feats would give him enough credit to contend.

#23 Posted by HolySerpent (12339 posts) - - Show Bio

Castial stomps the living he!l out of superman.

#24 Posted by Immortal777 (5920 posts) - - Show Bio

Im confused about this one supermans heat vision will burn away castiels vessel but wont do any harm to his real body but castiel cant be in human world without vessel so does that count as a victory. I think if this is a fight between castiel actuall body and superman which he stated his body is the size of the world trade center iI think castiel would win cause superman doesnt have anything that can kill him

#25 Posted by franklinrichards86 (400 posts) - - Show Bio

wow i need to catch up on supernatural

#26 Posted by Rijehu (352 posts) - - Show Bio

Castiel wins. Because he still wanted Lucifer and Michael locked up, it can be implied that he is still not as strong as them. However, he did effortlessly destroy Ralphy who is also an Archangel so, he is at least mid level Archangel status which is more than enough to defeat Superman...SuperMAN.

#27 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (14194 posts) - - Show Bio

Why doesn't superman blitz the daylights out of him? I mean it's not like castiel has any high speed feats, does he?

#28 Posted by RBT (3730 posts) - - Show Bio

There are a lot of thread overestimating supernatural characters but this takes the cake. Honestly, what has God Castiel ever done to put him on Superman's level?

#29 Edited by Auction_Sniper (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

Castiel snaps his fingers and Superman blows up. The end.

#30 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (14194 posts) - - Show Bio

Castiel snaps his fingers and Superman blows up. The end.

Superman blitzes his head off before that.

#31 Posted by Auction_Sniper (1056 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (14194 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Edited by kyrees (3053 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: speedblitz the vessel or the real form of god castiel ? the vessel can die, the real form is more open to debate

#34 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (14194 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees: The vessel.. But they didn't show his true form anyway iirc.

#35 Edited by kyrees (3053 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: the point would be that there is no way kal can defeat god castiel. he might actually make him lose his vessel but god castiel is still here. anyway the OP lacks enough details on this fight.

#36 Posted by ComicStooge (9695 posts) - - Show Bio

Is bloodlust on?

What's to stop Superman from flying up to Castiel and KOing him cleanly with something like a nerve strike? He doesn't have to kill him.

#37 Posted by Park (2961 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman due to a lack of feats on Cass' part and a very poor description of his empowerment.

#38 Edited by ShootingNova (13093 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought "God" Castiel was unaffected by an angel blade and if I recall correctly archangels are immune to the Colt, while God Castiel is superior to Archangels (he insta-killed Raphael with a snap of his fingers). Which means God and Death are the only ones who can kill him. And assuming only the CitizenBane's above list is correct, there's really nothing Superman can do against God Castiel.

But at the same time, I haven't seen anything Castiel can do to react to Superman, and the feats I can recall weren't impressive enough to simply stomp Superman. Aside from instakilling Raphael, but then Raphael hasn't done anything to show he is on Superman's level aside from his immunities. So basically, Superman's speedblitzing would be ineffective, and he could only use his speed to avoid everything Castiel does assuming Castiel cannot react (and we're not sure). All of Superman/Flash's abilities won't be able to affect Castiel, so this becomes a stalemate if Supes/Flash can avoid Castiel sends at them through having speed sufficient enough to prevent them from being registered by Castiel, or if Castiel can match their speed (since we don't know for sure) then this would be a slaughterhouse in Castiel's favour...

From feats (which the Battles forum tends to use) Castiel has no way of reacting, but it is plausible that God Castiel (especially a bloodlusted one) can have similar levels of speed as Superman and the Flash, given his nigh-omnipotent nature.

Also, I think Death's Scythe can kill Castiel, since apparently somebody (Crowley, probably) mentioned Death's Scythe could harm Death himself or something - although clearly this was never demonstrated.

#39 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (14194 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova: But supernatural doesn't really have anyone like superman. So those four are the only ways they can use against a being like that. Not like he has been punched with 'force that could topple a mountain'

I'd say they only showed four ways to kill angels doesn't mean every character of every universe will have to use those attacks only. (I do know superman doesn't possess the kind of hax. It's just about the concept) Characters like dark schneider, for example, can directly kill immortals because of their anti-immortality powers. Saying that they cannot harm an angel because supernatural angels need particular weapons to be killed doesn't seem very logical.

I hope you got what I'm trying to say lol

#40 Posted by ShootingNova (13093 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: I know what you are saying, which is why I said this could be a stalemate if Superman is simply too fast for Castiel - which is possible. If Castiel can match Superman's speed, given his nigh-omnipotence I think it'd be a victory heavily skewered in his favour. I mean, he effortlessly killed Raphael, who has more immunities and resistances than Superman - but worse overall combat feats.

#41 Edited by ComicStooge (9695 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: I know what you are saying, which is why I said this could be a stalemate if Superman is simply too fast for Castiel - which is possible. If Castiel can match Superman's speed, given his nigh-omnipotence I think it'd be a victory heavily skewered in his favour. I mean, he effortlessly killed Raphael, who has more immunities and resistances than Superman - but worse overall combat feats.

What do you mean by immunities and resistances? As in, to magic?

#42 Edited by ShootingNova (13093 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: I meant the four points CitizenBane posted above. That said, feat-wise, Superman blows Raphael (or essentially anybody from SPN minus God, Death and maybe God Castiel) out of the water.

#43 Posted by kuartus4 (54 posts) - - Show Bio

Castiel can guard his vessel against physical damage if he wants to. Supermans attacks should not be effective against even his vessel. Cass turns superman into an action hero toy. He wins.

#44 Posted by ComicStooge (9695 posts) - - Show Bio

@kuartus4 said:

Castiel can guard his vessel against physical damage if he wants to. Supermans attacks should not be effective against even his vessel. Cass turns superman into an action hero toy. He wins.

He has to think to do that, Superman can get him before he thinks to do anything.

#45 Posted by ShootingNova (13093 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: Yes, but Superman's speedblitz is useless because he cannot harm him.

#46 Posted by ComicStooge (9695 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: Yes, but Superman's speedblitz is useless because he cannot harm him.

Angels can't be knocked unconscious or the like?

#47 Posted by ShootingNova (13093 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: God Castiel shouldn't. Considering how angel-killing weapons have no effect on him....

That said, I don't think I've seen Angels being knocked unconscious (I've seen them die), but then again I'm also not fully sure....

#48 Edited by ComicStooge (9695 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: God Castiel shouldn't. Considering how angel-killing weapons have no effect on him....

That said, I don't think I've seen Angels being knocked unconscious (I've seen them die), but then again I'm also not fully sure....

Mm. I'd best butt out of the debate, I saw one episode of Supernatural and hated it, so I'm not the best judge. :P

#49 Posted by Spartan101 (2127 posts) - - Show Bio

supes cant win this,its basically god vs supes. cas just needs to think supes to die and its over.

#50 Edited by ShootingNova (13093 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: LOL.

All I'm saying is that if weapons designed to kill angels (which have a much greater potency than knock-outs or the likes) don't even affect Castiel, I hardly see why knock-out attempts would succeed, especially coming from the fists of a being which is supposedly ineffective against angels anyways.