Tried to revive a past thread, oh well.
Stipulations, they're bloodlusted,standing 100 feet away in a colosseum with indestructable walls and floor.
CIS OFF. PIS OFF.
Fresh Prince said:
"Superman has no trouble at all in breaking planets
You believe me making the comparison of Gladiators breaking planets in a few blows translates to "Superman can't break planets at all"? Certainly Superman can destroy a planet, just not as quickly as Gladiator. It's only natrual if a being isn't as strong as another being in the class 100+, have the power output to destroy something as large as a planet, to use Supermans own dialogue you provided in the scan, "If I pound away at anything long enough it goes down" that's true for a planet, though Gladiators actually been shown to do such in 3-5 blows. Superman can't destroy a planet in 3-5 blows.
Can we see that scan of Gladiator moving 100x light speed and if so was it without enterting hyperspace?
I find it funny how KYJ will use PIS against Supes but not with Gladiator
Supes has already moved between galaxies and thats without entering hyperspace.
Could've been entering hyperspace, that raises another question though, Gladiator entered Hyperspace on speed alone, could Superman speed himself up fast enough to cross dimensions...?
Or, even better, can Superman speed himself up out of literlly being time frozen?
Although it's pretty much cut and dry on how much faster Gladiator is then Supes, it's more fun arguing on whether or not (skeptical if it was, seriously doubt it) it was in hyperspace he was traveling that fast as a strawman to refute the speed issue altogether, right?
Zoom did say it best, Gladiator destroying that planet was mainly off panel so for all we know he could have used more shots
No, Zoom saw the scans in the other forum, and intentionally ignored the few panels of Gladiator striking said planet, and the subsequent explosion resulting in the planets demise, all on the same page.
The shock of Supermans punches alone destroyed a planet and that fight was under a red sun where his powers were draining
"Bloodlusted Supes, fighting someone of near equal strength... yet it's a fight that doesn't produce shockwaves powerful enough to rip apart the planet. Come to think of it, is there any other evidence of the planet being in danger from Zod and Supes trading blows other then the narrative hyperbole? Tell me, the planets foundation in danger when Superman was being controlled to rip WW apart (or Supes and Doomsday for that matter) yes or no. "
Fights with Doomsday and WW and mainly CIS, What good would it have done the story if Doomsday and Supes were tearing up the entire planet
The same could be said for the Zod fight. And, how was it CIS? Do you mean PIS? CIS is character induced stupidity. During the fight, he was blatantly trying to kill DD for the sake of his life and the life of the planet because he knew DD would destroy everything. What you're referencing is "PIS," in which case, that fight was chalk full of. That still doesnt refute another fight I mentioned. A bloodlusted Supes being mindcontrolled by maxwell lord fighting Wonder Woman with every means he possibly had, didn't create these planet busting shockwaves that've been raved on and on about. Why? Because it happened once... against Zod... and it was narrative hyperbole, no indication of whether or not the Planet was in actual danger from the shockwaves alone, on panel.
And it never stated how big the planet Gladiator busted was, for all we know it could have been smaller then Earth's moon
On the contrary! It could've been bigger then the Earth! But you'd rather think the latter right? It was a planet, dude. A freaking planet. A moon is at least a few times smaller then a planet, but it was a planet.
Same goes for the planet Supes and Zod busted up, but again they did it with shockwaves alone and under a red sun
Also Gladiator has gotten his ass kicked by Hulk in a few shots, I know Gladiator power flucates with his confidence but I have never seen Gladz do anything that puts him on Supes level and Uncanny Xmen is one of the few Marvel comics I actually keep up with
LOL, I knew you'd be the one to bring up the gladiator Hulk fight. So... a being that's flown through a Supernova (a blast from a destroyed star, the explosion traveling at one tenth the speed of light) was hurt by being thrown into a nuclear power plant by the Hulk...? The same Hulk that can't move anywhere near mach two... hit a being that's so fast he can enter hyperspace and speed himself up from a timestop on speed alone. And, you told me not to post here anymore?
Additionally, by your own admition, Uncanny Xmen being the only comic you follow, so to you, that means I have to provide scans of Gladiator doing such and such because you don't have the comic knowledge to know what I'm referencing. Does that sound about right?
If I recall it took a full confidence Gladiator just to beat Vulcan who was beating on Gladiator and the Imperial Guard by himself
LOL, the same Vulcan that said the power cosmic was childsplay to him. Aaah.. you're attempting to diminish Gladiators character by using the Imperial Gaurd being slaughtered by Vulcan as proof to how weak Gladiator is. Are you going to mention that at no time during the Fight Gladiator was hurt by Vulcan? With belittling his feats, you're also forgetting to mention that Vulcan lost site in his eye because of Gladiator.
You also made a claim of an agent of the LT saying that Gladiator can crush stars in between his arms
Did he actually do that or did they just say he could because that could of also been hyperbole
No argument there! Now refute the assortment of other feats (not narrative) of Gladiators.
LegendaryKYJ, you're dismissing my arguments and evidence for no good reason.
Which? The one where you said Superman has the durability to shake off a blast that can destroy a star? You're claiming I'm dismissing your arguments, yet the next couple paragraphs are response to my rebuttal, that's a little perplexing.
Wonder woman is near Superman in strength, so it's perfectly believable she can hurt him, just like another human slightly weaker than me can me. I don't see any confusion here.
Bloodlusted Supes, fighting someone of near equal strength... yet it's a fight that doesn't produce shockwaves powerful enough to rip apart the planet. Come to think of it, is there any other evidence of the planet being in danger from Zod and Supes trading blows other then the narrative hyperbole? Tell me, the planets foundation in danger when Superman was being controlled to rip WW apart (or Supes and Doomsday for that matter) yes or no.
Narrative is different than empty claims. Superman is destroying the planet an he's describing what is going on around him.
If superman said "I can destroy a planet" that would not be acceptable, but since he's saying "I am destroying a planet" that's fine.
"I'm assuming you believe me making the comparison of Gladiators breaking planets in a few blows translates to "Superman can't break planets at all." Certainly Superman can destroy a planet, just not as quickly as Gladiator. It's only natrual if a being isn't as strong as another being in the class 100+, have the power output to destroy something as large as a planet, to use Supermans own dialogue you provided in the scan, "If I pound away at anything long enough it goes down" that's true for a planet, though Gladiators actually been shown to do such in 3-5 blows. Superman can't destroy a planet in 3-5 blows."
Likewise, Gladiator saying "I can crush stars", without a feat to back it up is not acceptable.
The narrative of the agent of the living tribunal be damned, we're emphasizing to much on this. I only brought it up for good measure, not really using as evidence of something he's done, more like an example of his power set in the MU. Gladiator has flown through Supernovas and swam through stars, though.
Superman did destroy that planet, I know that because the planet is destroyed at the end of the comic.
"I'm assuming you believe me making the comparison of Gladiators breaking planets in a few blows translates to "Superman can't break planets at all."Certainly Superman can destroy a planet, just not as quickly as Gladiator. It's only natrual if a being isn't as strong as another being in the class 100+, have the power output to destroy something as large as a planet, to use Supermans own dialogue you provided in the scan, "If I pound away at anything long enough it goes down" that's true for a planet, though Gladiators actually been shown to do such in 3-5 blows. Superman can't destroy a planet in 3-5 blows."
And I don't care who the comentator was, Gods, guardians, angels and Monitors have claimed superman being capable of crushing planets in a single blow and having powers equal to a skyfather, doesn't mean it's true.
No argument here.
I don't see any problem with superman battling the sun eater, and surviving a million nuclear blasts, because A) A sun eater is a grand cosmic being by your own statement, and B) he was already tenderized by doomsday before.
There isn't any problem with it. The same reason I know your arguments are being dismissed. The points I'm making are going over your head. The point being was, throughout post crisis Supermans day, he's had a certain degree of invulnerability. When you say he can "absorb" a bomb capable of busting a system, you need to state the circumstances as to why. Because, I gaurantee Zod, WW, DD, Green Lantern, MM, and others to include blasts of energy or debris that hurt him don't have the power output to bust a system, the original testament you were trying to make as to Supermans durability being 'Superman can absorb a bomb capable of leveling a system.' That would contradict his durability in nearly every way.
As for DD and Supes not destroying a planet, that happens in comics all the time. The collateral damage should be a millon times higher than it ever is.
Good, we've established that it happens in comics all the time but never any planet busting shockwaves as a result. So, the planet busting shockwaves, happened once with Zod explained through a narrative box... not exactly a testament to Supes strength.
Sentry, another superman rip-off, fought the strongest incarnation of Hulk ever in a battle where they both expended all their energy
WWH?! Dude, you're using that horrid crap Greg Pak handwaving of power capabilities.. LOL@ the "strongest incarnation of Hulk," the same Hulk that didn't do anything near supporting the weight of a 150 billion ton mountain range, or destroy an asteroid twice the size of Earth in a single punch.
, and all that got destroyed was a building the Hulk slammed into. Gladiator fought Thor and they should have at least take out a part of the city, nothing happened.
Assuming I was to write a rebuttal to this standpoint, it would be completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Gladiator=/=Sentry. So your standpoint of "Superman rip-offs" is a complete logical fallacy. The two haven't even met in Marvel U, their powers work completely different... what did you hope to accomplish by bringing up Sentry? It only proves a) you're reaching and b) you know nothing about the Sentrys capabilities... the same being that contained a cosmic cube with his bare hands, the same being that pretty much no sold Terrax the Terrible ("Get off my planet, now."), the same being that flew to the sun and back in minutes, the same being that beheaded Attuma with one blow.
for the other scan, I hope this clarifies things:
This scan clearly show superman doing all the pulling while Hal focuses on maintaining his construct. The reason they're not gaining any ground is because Starbreaker is forcing the Earth into the sun with considerable force.
You're outright warping these scans.
Superman: "We've got to restore the Earths proper orbit."
Hal Jordan: "Well, you and I are the only two strong enough to even try it."
Panel three, Hal Jordan:
"As impossible as it sounds we've got to pull the planet back into place."
Superman: "Just add your power to mine, Hal--and let's do this crazy thing."
Panel two, Hal: "Effort is overwhelming, my construct is starting to fracture."
Panel three, Supes: "But we can't give up."
Stop ignoring my questions:
"Well, aside from there being no dialogue to indicate Superman is pulling that planet himself, why on Earth would you possibly believe a being that has a weapon capable of containing black holes wouldn't help Superman move a planet? "Just add your power to mine Hal--"
All in all, you're not giving Superman credit.
Hey, this is a battle between the two, remember? This isn't about making one beloved character look bad, it's who can win in a fight based on such and such. Are you going to pretend I haven't defended Superman in the past? Go through my posting history, I've defended Supes in the past, many times. This isn't about "giving someone credit" It's a debate where we discuss limitations and capabilities. What do you want me to say about Supes?
Superman can and has:
The power to destroy a planet, though nowhere near displayed as 3-5 blows
Move a planet with help
Fly at lightspeed
Withstood other class 100+ blows for many, many battles
Flown to Paris and back before Lois could finish her sentence
Stopped a bullet on the other side of town while the assailent was like, 10 feet away from Lois
There we have it, impressive speed, power, and durability... Credit to Superman. Now, can Superman fly fast enough to cross dimensions or speed himself up through a time freeze? Last person I checked could do that was incarnations of the Flash, but can Superman perform such feats? Has Superman destroyed a planet in 3-5 blows or displayed enough power to do such?
P.S. "you're not giving Superman credit." I don't even like Gladiator, but I know he's more powerful then Supes, THAT is giving credit, not arguing for a character because you don't like the other, that's giving a character credit at the expense of another.
i have seen kyj or whatever his name is make some pretty retarded post
this is nothing surprising"
None of which you've participated in, I don't remember you posting, I guess that means you've never said anything credible. If you've got a point to make, then make it. Stop being a baby and create a standpoint.
"LegendaryKYJ said:"You didn't refute crap, you're ASSUMING they're alternate versions, you have yet to address which. You're completely wrong."I'm assuming? I've freaking read these stories!
Yes you're assuming. I haven't mentioned Ego or SS once, so you've set up a pseudo-standpoint to refute, trying to divert the subject away from his feats. You've read Marvel Adventures issues ten through whatever, that's what you're referencing. What you didn't read was a credible fight between Tyrant, Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer, and Terrax.. the same fight Gladiator helped them defeat a being spawned from Galactus himself. What you didn't read (or ignored) was the couple scans on the KMC page showing Gladiator hitting a planet 3-5 times, and the onomatopoeia "THOOM," the artwork depicting an exploding planet. The next page, him standing... contemplating... he not only destroyed that planet, but hit it so hard it exploded, annihilating said planet, leaving only floating rock and debris.
We've got Gladiator coming from an alternate future to kill Thor before he does something awful. That's what Glads is talking about in the scans where the two of them fight.
All those scans of him fighting Ego or Silver Surfer? They're from a marvel adventures comic, which are all out of continuity.
I'm not assuming anything. I actually know what I'm talking about, unlike you.
I could've swarn you're the one who adamantly refused to accept Spiderman stomping DS's ass like a child, and when proven wrong by multiple different posters, whined and resorted to using scans of DS hitting the Flash, I'm starting to see a trend.
"Pwned"? What are we? 13-14 years old? "Pwned"? Instead of being an curbside audience and throwing in a jab, hiding behind big people who know what they're talking about, maybe you should present something of value to the thread. Or is it that your adolescence calls for immature jabs online in a thread where grown ups are talking to feel better about your rejected attempts at social construction with.. you know.. real people?