@entropy_aegis: what evidence is there to say hes jobbing? All he did eas lose to first born and stalemate superman. Peoples whole problem with that so far seems to be "well, he stalemates superman so how xoukd he possibly lose to first born, unless...but then...that would mean that firstborn is stro....nah, orion must be jobbing to first born?
Nah it's not because he stalemated Superman,it's because who Orion is a character. This guy is supposed to be the greatest warrior of New Genesis,he's supposed to rid us of Darkseid, he has always been a powerhouse but here he's just meh,I never expected him to beat WW's chief antagonist and THE villain of Azz's run but the last issue was too much for me to take.
@entropy_aegis: every writer writes a character in a different way whether its a big difference or a small difference. And what didnt you like about the last issue? Lol let me guess, was it heras heal stomo, or was it that less than a man guy horning him.
@reaverlation: She is capable of tagging him, and surely she could decapitate him; however he is physically superior.
What she lacks physically, she makes up for in fighting skills and weapons.
King Hyperion would beat either, 712 Hyperion who was stated by Gladiator was equal in every way, and had planet busting feats was equal; however 712 Hyperion was getting manhandled even with another Hyperion by King Hyperion.
@jmarshmallow: see, this answer or superman winning in a close battle, i can deal with and get behind. I would not be completely appalled or surprised if supermans other abilities compensated for the striking power difference
@reaverlation: Are you saying she is not comparable.
The physical gap is not large enough, for which her fighting skills and weapons do not make up for.
I was just bringing in King Hyperion was for previous logics you have used before, that's all; I was trying to do an ABC logic to summarise how she could win, in your theory.
@reaverlation: and remember i said combat speed feats. Because the only thing that i can direcrly use to gauge them, is how he was sun amped and got tagged 3 tomes by zod and faora before he got distracted and wonder woman didnt get hit by them once.
Oh yes it is.Aquaman has always been a match for Diana and arguably better feats for her and Superman is in another league compared to Arthur and Diana
Well leave him out of this please.That's for another day :)
@reaverlation: no he cant. Darkseids stronger than clark and darkseid didnt break her with his strikes. Neither did first born and hes stronger than superman striking wise.
@dondave: superman was amped and got tagged 3 times by zod and faora before they distracted him. They failed to tag her once. Id say based on that she is.
@karazor-el Are you serious? When he was amped by Apollo we actually the radiant solar energy around him. That was not the case when he fought Zod and Faora.
@dondave: so he wasnt glowing. He was barely glowing 2 pages after he was red from the blast. The very next issue hes completely his normal color and hes talking about the super amp and how hes never felt like that before. Again, hes normal colors and hes afraid to go to earth because of the amp. Its only after bruce calms him down and zod re apoears that clarj decide to go back. And then all the while hes getting even more powerful because hes just absorbing even more sun radiation.
@entropy_aegis Orion has become a joke at this point. Diana defeated the Minotaur in two moves, Orion couldn't drop him and was gored for his troubles.
@dondave: wonder woman didnt defeat monotaur. She got hom blind sided and slammed him then punched him and the goddess of life or whatever tied him up.
@karazor-el: I stated on par/near on par; as what she lacks physically, she makes up with her fighting skills and weapons.
She can slice his head of, if she had to; and in Superdoom issue #11 I believe she was prepared to do it.
@reaverlation: Physically Superman would beat WW, no doubt.
But WW has the tools and fighting skills to beat him; she can slice his head off, and is a way superior H2H combat; they are much more even then people are making out.
@entropy_aegis: every writer writes a character in a different way whether its a big difference or a small difference. And what didnt you like about the last issue? Lol let me guess, was it heras heal stomo, or was it that less than a man guy horning him.
Both, why is Orion even there if that's all he can contribute? Azz is just playing him for laughs at this point.
@entropy_aegis Orion has become a joke at this point. Diana defeated the Minotaur in two moves, Orion couldn't drop him and was gored for his troubles.
@entropy_aegis: If we go by that logic then Superman can beat every powerhouse in comics. We can't go based off how they're written. Orion lost against FB and stalemated Superman. It's simple.
No it's not simple because both instances were written by different writers, Orion is jobbing in WW,that's clear.
@entropy_aegis: nah theres no evidence of that. Firstborn is just flat out stronger than superman
You say there's no evidence and in the same sentence claim FB is stronger than Supes, riiight. Orion has been completely unimpressive in WW, why else are you insistent on using his fight in Lobdell's book,even you are indirectly acknowledging it.
@entropy_aegis: im saying fb is stronger but the wording should have been all along thst his striking is better than supermans. He was pounding orion and orion smiled at supermans blitzing punches.
@killemall: im not sure i agree mainly cause idk who win. But i can see why you or anyone else would pick firstborn.
Well for one we have been established Superman is vulnerable to magic. Given First Born ungodly status and his current rejuvination from blood he already has an upper hand.
He also looks outright stronger and more powerful.
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