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#1 Edited by Raw_Material (3212 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules/Settings

  • Superman Vs Doctor Doom
  • New Earth & Earth-616 Versions
  • 48 Hour Prep Time
  • In Character
  • Morals On
  • No BFR
  • Standard Gear
  • Win by KO/Submission

Location: Metropolis

Who do you think would win and why?

#2 Posted by Batman242 (4860 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom, I guess.

#3 Edited by rpottage (893 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals off? I'm going to say Superman because morals off he can just spend two days in the sun; then fry Doom from space.

#4 Edited by spiderbuck (2454 posts) - - Show Bio
@rpottage said:

Morals off? I'm going to say Superman because morals off he can just spend two days in the sun; then fry Doom from space.

Doom can teleport out of Supe's grasp.

Between his Magic and recent one sided beat down of Hulk, I'm going with Doom.

#5 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21842 posts) - - Show Bio

@rpottage said:

Morals off? I'm going to say Superman because morals off he can just spend two days in the sun; then fry Doom from space.

this, plus the OP says any age, so does that mean Silver Age with Cosmic Armour? if so Supes STOMPS HARD!

#6 Posted by Supermansito (197 posts) - - Show Bio

cosmic armor superman stomp

#7 Posted by King Saturn (224163 posts) - - Show Bio

If Dr. Doom has enough Prep Time... he could literally siphon the power away from Superman...

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#8 Posted by Pierpat (2671 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait wait…

Nothing stated about the initial info…

Doom won't know he's facing a kriptonian…

I say SA supes

#9 Edited by JediWaffles (746 posts) - - Show Bio

@rpottage said:

Morals off? I'm going to say Superman because morals off he can just spend two days in the sun; then fry Doom from space.

Doom can teleport out of Supe's grasp.

Between his Magic and recent one sided beat down of Hulk, I'm going with Doom.

Hulk beat down? What issue was this?

#10 Edited by Supermanwithatan01 (3673 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom's force field survived blasts from the IG, PR Beyonder and Galactus. His magic has trapped Strange in a book, pwned Dormammu, punked 2 Ghost Riders and Sorceror Supreme Brother Voodoo. His tech has siphoned the power of, albeit, a young Franklin Richards, Galactus, PR Beyonder and the Silver Surfer. His suit alone has a time machine built in, a shard from the cross Jesus Christ was crusified on, magical enchantments, tech greater than Tony's ironman suits, weapons such as an antimatter gun, molecular displacer, polarity displacer, and can even transfer his conscienceness into other beings via the Ovoid-mind transfer. He's immune to telepathy his arch-nemesis is the smartest Marvel character shaped like a man, and he uses his wife, brother-in-law and best friend as sacrifices 99% of the time in order to stalemate or outmatch Victor. Villains are plagued by CIS, WIS or PIS, all the time. It's extremely evident with Doctor Doom. But he is a villain and the good guys gotta win.. Heroes are plagued with PIS occasionally against other heroes. Mostly WIS though. SA Superman is a walking plot device. He's a beast. But with prep, he's smashed by a Master of Death Victor Von Doom.. Or a Pr Beyonder Doom. Either way he wins.

#11 Posted by NeonGameWave (7780 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder Doom would slaughter.

#12 Posted by Mick116 (20 posts) - - Show Bio

Two days is enough prep time for Doom to analyse Supes' strengths and weaknesses and simulate Kryptonitic radiation.

#13 Edited by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5052 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom takes out the big blue boy scout

#14 Edited by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

doom wins unless it's PC superman

#15 Posted by TheTrollDance (178 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom should take this with prep.

#16 Edited by rpottage (893 posts) - - Show Bio

@rpottage said:

Morals off? I'm going to say Superman because morals off he can just spend two days in the sun; then fry Doom from space.

Doom can teleport out of Supe's grasp.

Between his Magic and recent one sided beat down of Hulk, I'm going with Doom.

But the point is there's no grasp. My point was that morals off Superman can fry him from space; he doesn't need to be anywhere near Doom.

#17 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21842 posts) - - Show Bio

SA age, Superman Prime One Million, and Thought Robot, all combined win easy.

#18 Posted by INFINITE_DOOM (265 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr.Doom for the win with 48hrs prep time he travels through time picks up all the info he will need and devices a plan ....Doom with the stomp!

#19 Posted by omegablast452 (2425 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr.Doom for the win with 48hrs prep time he travels through time picks up all the info he will need and devices a plan ....Doom with the stomp!

#20 Posted by theONEtaichou (1526 posts) - - Show Bio

Both get prep... 48hrs of prep! CA Supes curbstomps... while I do get Doom is a beast with prep, 48hrs is not a lot of time to go from nothing (and knowing nothing - I assume since the OP left that out) to take out CA supes, or PIS laden SA Supes, there is only so much you can do with prep. And worse, since the OP doesn't mention knowledge of each other, prep CANNOT be utilised effectively. No version of Doom can prep against such probabilities in such a limited time. In fact I can stand on the ledge that Doom+Reed+Pym+Stark cannot prep to beat (any choice of a) Superman version as per OP! Worse what will Doom do with prep when he must come to the battle with standard gear.

Doom cannot prep to beat pC Supes in 48hrs effectively imo (note: not that Doom cannot take a majority but he can't stomp) there is no effective prep he can do in 48hrs to take wins against CA Supes (my choice of Superman). No version of Doom can.

Btw there is also the 1million supermen , Kal Kent and Kal-El, how could he prep to beat these guys (esp. since they also get prep).

#21 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4129 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't 48 hours enough for Superman to figure out what makes Doom tick too? Superman is not an idiot and with his intelligence, strength and speed he should be able to create way more gadgets and countermeasures than Doom in 48 hours, right? An army of Superman robots should be more than a match for Doombots, if they use the prep to try and trick each other using bots.

#22 Posted by momo111191 (246 posts) - - Show Bio

lol there is no way doom stands a chance for several reasons.

A. superman can just take 3 hours out of his day an go sit in the sun at which point he would be able to kill doom, his country and everyone who ever thought of him with ease.

b. superman is smarter and has access to the better tech ignore what all the superman hater will say he has the better prep/ intellect feats.

c. Doom takes months to fail to weaker opposition.

d. Doom's only chance would be a paper that says "GET KRYPTONITE " on it and he would need at least a week to find it.

before you argue this is not new 52 superman. pre 52 superman with prep/ no morals curb stomps almost any hero

#23 Posted by whacknasty (5615 posts) - - Show Bio

I think people are mis reading the op a bit... Any age of comic is specified, not any version of the character. To me at least, that means more of a current Doom vs new 52 Supes or Silver age/Golden age versions of the two characters facing off. Not Beyonder Doom vs CA Supes necessarily... : /

#24 Posted by BigCimmerian (8305 posts) - - Show Bio

@rpottage said:

Morals off? I'm going to say Superman because morals off he can just spend two days in the sun; then fry Doom from space.

Doom can teleport out of Supe's grasp.

Between his Magic and recent one sided beat down of Hulk, I'm going with Doom.

Can you tell me the issue number when Doom beat down Hulk?

#25 Posted by hsm1 (55 posts) - - Show Bio

Does that mean wen can include PR Beyonder-Doom? If that's the case, then Doom wins with utter ease.

#26 Posted by DarkusKnight13 (70 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman wins. He is stronger and a hell of a lot more powerful. Besides he can just go on the sun for like a minunte or less and then he could destroy him without any promblem and this battle is going to be on his home turf.

#27 Edited by spiderbuck (2454 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbuck said:
@rpottage said:

Morals off? I'm going to say Superman because morals off he can just spend two days in the sun; then fry Doom from space.

Doom can teleport out of Supe's grasp.

Between his Magic and recent one sided beat down of Hulk, I'm going with Doom.

Can you tell me the issue number when Doom beat down Hulk?

#28 Edited by spiderbuck (2454 posts) - - Show Bio

@rpottage said:

@spiderbuck said:
@rpottage said:

Morals off? I'm going to say Superman because morals off he can just spend two days in the sun; then fry Doom from space.

Doom can teleport out of Supe's grasp.

Between his Magic and recent one sided beat down of Hulk, I'm going with Doom.

But the point is there's no grasp. My point was that morals off Superman can fry him from space; he doesn't need to be anywhere near Doom.

Oh I see, sorry about that misunderstanding.

I just don't see Dr. Doom getting fried by eye beams from outer space. Again, if he's feeling the heat, teleport and start using high level magic to defeat superman. He's too durable to be vaporized with one blast.

#29 Posted by Saren (25672 posts) - - Show Bio

I swear to God, half the people who argue for Doom on Doom threads don't have the slightest clue what Doom is normally like...

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#30 Posted by Raw_Material (3212 posts) - - Show Bio

Edited Game Settings:

  • All Ages of Comics > New Earth & Earth-616 Versions
  • CV Links to Characters

#31 Posted by BigCimmerian (8305 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:

@spiderbuck said:
@rpottage said:

Morals off? I'm going to say Superman because morals off he can just spend two days in the sun; then fry Doom from space.

Doom can teleport out of Supe's grasp.

Between his Magic and recent one sided beat down of Hulk, I'm going with Doom.

Can you tell me the issue number when Doom beat down Hulk?

lol Doom destroyed him, was he amped or something like that? I think that normal Doom is not capable of doing that to Hulk without some kind of prep .

#32 Edited by spiderbuck (2454 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane said:

I swear to God, half the people who argue for Doom on Doom threads don't have the slightest clue what Doom is normally like...

Could you enlighten the masses then, o' wise one?

@bigcimmerian: I don't think so, but I'm pretty sure Citizenbane will be clearing that up shortly.

#34 Edited by Immortal777 (7576 posts) - - Show Bio

What can Doom possibly do with 48 hrs of prep, no prior knowledge and no plot devices.

#35 Posted by INFINITE_DOOM (265 posts) - - Show Bio

People don't get the premise of time travel it gives one an infinite amount of prep time and knowledge. If its no morals and i was Doom i go hundreds of years into the future where i would find out Supes feats through out time, realizing that he might not be abel to take on supes head on he goes back in time and kills Superman at his most vulnerable (child). Remember no morals and we are judging this fight on abilities i don't see superman having the tools to stop Doom from doing this. Personally i don't think Doom has to go that low to beat Supes but its a scenario that Supes could not stop.

#36 Edited by theONEtaichou (1526 posts) - - Show Bio

@infinite_doom said:

People don't get the premise of time travel it gives one an infinite amount of prep time and knowledge. If its no morals and i was Doom i go hundreds of years into the future where i would find out Supes feats through out time, realizing that he might not be abel to take on supes head on he goes back in time and kills Superman at his most vulnerable (child). Remember no morals and we are judging this fight on abilities i don't see superman having the tools to stop Doom from doing this. Personally i don't think Doom has to go that low to beat Supes but its a scenario that Supes could not stop.

Killing Clark as a baby is not what this fight is about... a superman and Doom must fight after 48hrs of prep.... not a Kryptonian baby vs Doom before the fight. Doom can go kill all of Krypton as far as I can see, but at the end of the day after 48hrs he must step up to the plate, with his standard gear no less, and fight a superman. If he wants to time travel then onwards/backwards in the fight (and lose via self-bfr) he is welcome I believe.

And which superman? We can choose from any age, so Doom kills Kal-El, I choose Kal-L, or Superman Prime, or Kal Kent, or Ultraman, or Allen Adams, or KC Superman, or Hank Henshaw... since the OP doesn't even mention knowledge of each other how can Doom time travel prep against so many supermen?

EDIT: oh wait OP has changed now, not any age of supes... oh well

#37 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Prep + magic = almost always a win.

#38 Edited by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio


lol Doom destroyed him, was he amped or something like that? I think that normal Doom is not capable of doing that to Hulk without some kind of prep .

Its from Aron's run, Incredible Hulk 07 (2012). And no Dr. Doom was neither amped nor was there any prep involved.

#39 Posted by theDCkid (880 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals off Superman crushes Doom. Lex Luthor with months of prep and in power suit was taken down by an enraged Supes, I fail to see how this will be any different.

#40 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5052 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedckid Doom>>Lex. Not to mention Doom has scorcery to boot. Victor is like Reed, Stark and Strange all rolled into one. This is hardly a challenge for him.

#41 Posted by theDCkid (880 posts) - - Show Bio

@lone_wolf_and_cub: Okay, but whats to stop Superman from just blitzing him with a barrage of super-powerful punches?

Or obliterating him with a full power blast from his heat vision?

#42 Posted by New_World_Order (13184 posts) - - Show Bio

DOOM

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#43 Posted by DanM (133 posts) - - Show Bio

Two days worth of prep for one of the most intelligent, sinister characters to have ever been created along with being second in line for sorcerer supreme means superman is put down and put down hard.

#44 Posted by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

@danm said:

Two days worth of prep for one of the most intelligent, sinister characters to have ever been created along with being second in line for sorcerer supreme means superman is put down and put down hard.

This. Doom with 48 hours prep makes him a god. I don't know anyone who can beat him with that much prep.

#45 Posted by SSJLozza (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom easily. There aren't many characters in fiction who could take on a prepped Doom.

#46 Edited by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends what Superman does with his prep. If he sundips the entire time, effectively becoming around 576 times as powerful as before, he could take this.

#47 Posted by Gritterr (491 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends what Superman does with his prep. If he sundips the entire time, effectively becoming around 576 times as powerful as before, he could take this.

Can you posts scans showing that direct correlation between his time spent sun dipped and his strength increase?

#48 Posted by SSJLozza (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends what Superman does with his prep. If he sundips the entire time, effectively becoming around 576 times as powerful as before, he could take this.

It wouldn't matter, Doom could become Celestial level in 48 hours, he is THE prep master!

#49 Posted by grimlock (1571 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals off supes beats doom to a pulp

#50 Posted by Rozalia (692 posts) - - Show Bio

Never been a great fan of the prep nonsense but it hardly matters as moral's off Super man should beat Doom into paste.