" Superman beats Darkseid in armwrestling. "No he doesn't.
Superman VS Darkseid
" @Inevitable said:Surely." Superman beats Darkseid in armwrestling. "No he doesn't. "
YEAH a machine which can do anything the user wants to do,as for batman try again son darky wanted to turn batman in to a bomb against the universe and he was inhabiting a human body the real thing was the whitish guy in the background,yeah thanos became god by using stuff that can make anyone a god.
" @MrDirector786 said:Even physically, Darkseid is stronger than Superman." @Inevitable said:Surely. "" Superman beats Darkseid in armwrestling. "No he doesn't. "
" @Inevitable said:Because ?" @MrDirector786 said:Even physically, Darkseid is stronger than Superman. "" @Inevitable said:Surely. "" Superman beats Darkseid in armwrestling. "No he doesn't. "
" @MrDirector786 said:When fighting the Legion of Superheroes, Superboy hit him with several punches and didn't really do anything and then Darkseid punched Superboy ONCE and he was down. He beat down Superman in Our Worlds At War and then Superman blasted him with heat vision but it didn't even do much to him. In Superman Confidential, he literally backhanded Superman and made him bleed and then Superman said he'd be mad to try to fight him. He also took punches from Lobo square in the face and wasn't even phased while Lobo's hand was hurt." @Inevitable said:Because ? "" @MrDirector786 said:Even physically, Darkseid is stronger than Superman. "" @Inevitable said:Surely. "" Superman beats Darkseid in armwrestling. "No he doesn't. "
You need to take a look at this instead of blindly following what Truepwnge and his other accounts said.
http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/mrdirector786/an-explanation-of-post-crisis-darkseid/87-62358/
" @MrDirector786: hes not gonna change his mind no matter what. "Yeah, I have a feeling. To be honest, I bet he just has that avatar of Black Adam to make himself look like a DC fan but he's probably a massive Marvel fanboy. I think he should drop the act.
There is no act. I'm a neutral fanboy. I love both DC and Marvel characters. But Darkseid is the most over rated character on any battle forum you go to. He's a joke. Period." @entropy_aegis said:
" @MrDirector786: hes not gonna change his mind no matter what. "Yeah, I have a feeling. To be honest, I bet he just has that avatar of Black Adam to make himself look like a DC fan but he's probably a massive Marvel fanboy. I think he should drop the act. "
He should walk all over Superman, but he doesn't. That tell us everything we need to know.
" @MrDirector786 said:It seems that everything you know about Darkseid comes from out of context scans and from issues of Superman/Batman. He does walk all over Superman. The only times Superman legitimately beat him were in Superman vs Darkseid Apokolips Now and Superman Batman 13 and both times were bad writing. Other times he beat him, he was either in a weakened state or it was not really Darkseid. I doubt you even bothered to look at that page I linked. If you did, you would realize that Darkseid is being downplayed by users who use out of context scans and PIS. Also, the most overrated character in any battle forum is Thanos.There is no act. I'm a neutral fanboy. I love both DC and Marvel characters. But Darkseid is the most over rated character on any battle forum you go to. He's a joke. Period. He should walk all over Superman, but he doesn't. That tell us everything we need to know. "" @entropy_aegis said:
" @MrDirector786: hes not gonna change his mind no matter what. "Yeah, I have a feeling. To be honest, I bet he just has that avatar of Black Adam to make himself look like a DC fan but he's probably a massive Marvel fanboy. I think he should drop the act. "
Agreed, he is a massive Marvel fanboy, it's an second rate trick by a third rate troll" @entropy_aegis said:
" @MrDirector786: hes not gonna change his mind no matter what. "Yeah, I have a feeling. To be honest, I bet he just has that avatar of Black Adam to make himself look like a DC fan but he's probably a massive Marvel fanboy. I think he should drop the act. "
" @superdemon said:But that's the problem. It's only bad writing because the DC fans don't like it. They story itself was superbly written. Then claiming he was in a weakened state or it was an "avatar" is BS. Darkseid has avatar, yes, but can you prove that his losses were actually avatars? What evidence suggests that they were avatars and not the real thing?" @MrDirector786 said:It seems that everything you know about Darkseid comes from out of context scans and from issues of Superman/Batman. He does walk all over Superman. The only times Superman legitimately beat him were in Superman vs Darkseid Apokolips Now and Superman Batman 13 and both times were bad writing. Other times he beat him, he was either in a weakened state or it was not really Darkseid. I doubt you even bothered to look at that page I linked. If you did, you would realize that Darkseid is being downplayed by users who use out of context scans and PIS. Also, the most overrated character in any battle forum is Thanos. "There is no act. I'm a neutral fanboy. I love both DC and Marvel characters. But Darkseid is the most over rated character on any battle forum you go to. He's a joke. Period. He should walk all over Superman, but he doesn't. That tell us everything we need to know. "" @entropy_aegis said:
" @MrDirector786: hes not gonna change his mind no matter what. "Yeah, I have a feeling. To be honest, I bet he just has that avatar of Black Adam to make himself look like a DC fan but he's probably a massive Marvel fanboy. I think he should drop the act. "
Darkseid is not downplayed. He's been twisted and used horribly by most writers and because of it he's become a joke.
The day Thanos loses to a Superman level being is the day I'll concede that Thanos < Darkseid and Superman > Darkseid. And don't even try to use Drax as an example.
" But that's the problem. It's only bad writing because the DC fans don't like it. They story itself was superbly written. Then claiming he was in a weakened state or it was an "avatar" is BS. Darkseid has avatar, yes, but can you prove that his losses were actually avatars? What evidence suggests that they were avatars and not the real thing? Darkseid is not downplayed. He's been twisted and used horribly by most writers and because of it he's become a joke. The day Thanos loses to a Superman level being is the day I'll concede that Thanos < Darkseid and Superman > Darkseid. And don't even try to use Drax as an example. "No, it's bad writing because it goes against what has usually been shown and established for how powerful Darkseid is. If that's the case, then Thanos getting hurt by a blast that wasn't even a city-buster and him getting hurt by Gamora and getting kicked by Spider-man are bad writing only because Marvel fans don't like it but their stories were superbly written. I hope you realize that even great stories can have instances of bad writing in them. And yes, Darkseid was in a weakened state, once again here are the scans which you probably ignored despite having been posted already:
I own the comic. Thanks though.
Darkseid was weakened because of his own stupidity. That says alot about the character you so love to praise and over rate.
" I own the comic. Thanks though. Darkseid was weakened because of his own stupidity. That says alot about the character you so love to praise and over rate. "He was weakened because he was thrown into the source wall by Superman with a lot of plot involved. Also, Thanos' stupidity led to him losing the Infinity Gauntlet. That should tell you something about the character you love to praise and overrate.
" @superdemon said:At least he was capable of obtaining and wielding such power. Darksied has never accomplished what Thanos has. Ever. Never will because Superman will beat him and save the day." I own the comic. Thanks though. Darkseid was weakened because of his own stupidity. That says alot about the character you so love to praise and over rate. "He was weakened because he was thrown into the source wall by Superman with a lot of plot involved. Also, Thanos' stupidity led to him losing the Infinity Gauntlet. That should tell you something about the character you love to praise and overrate. "
" @MrDirector786 said:He obtained it thanks to Mistress Death. And then he ended up removing his own spirit from his body so no one could hurt but left the infinity gauntlet on his body, which allowed his half-dead daughter to get it and undo everything he did. I call that stupidity. And I think you should read Final Crisis because there, Darkseid was actually so powerful he was causing the multiverse to collapse and that is much greater than the infinity Gauntlet." @superdemon said:At least he was capable of obtaining and wielding such power. Darksied has never accomplished what Thanos has. Ever. Never will because Superman will beat him and save the day. "" I own the comic. Thanks though. Darkseid was weakened because of his own stupidity. That says alot about the character you so love to praise and over rate. "He was weakened because he was thrown into the source wall by Superman with a lot of plot involved. Also, Thanos' stupidity led to him losing the Infinity Gauntlet. That should tell you something about the character you love to praise and overrate. "
" @Inevitable said:Darkseid's omega beams didn't do much to Superman either." @MrDirector786 said:When fighting the Legion of Superheroes, Superboy hit him with several punches and didn't really do anything and then Darkseid punched Superboy ONCE and he was down. He beat down Superman in Our Worlds At War and then Superman blasted him with heat vision but it didn't even do much to him. In Superman Confidential, he literally backhanded Superman and made him bleed and then Superman said he'd be mad to try to fight him. He also took punches from Lobo square in the face and wasn't even phased while Lobo's hand was hurt. "" @Inevitable said:Because ? "" @MrDirector786 said:Even physically, Darkseid is stronger than Superman. "" @Inevitable said:Surely. "" Superman beats Darkseid in armwrestling. "No he doesn't. "
" Darkseid's omega beams didn't do much to Superman either. "That's because he's only using the omega beams. On their own, the omega beams are just blasts of energy. But when he uses the omega effect, the beams will either teleport, transmute, or erase the target. And he has teleported Superman from Apokolips back to Earth on many occasions showing that if Darkseid actually used the effect on Superman, he wouldn't be able to resist it. So if Darkseid were to hit him with the effect with the intention of erasing him or transmuting him into a statue, Superman wouldn't be able to resist it at all.
I saw Darkseid teleporting (affecting) Martian Manhunter, but MM don't have as good durability as Superman.
IMO, Darkseid probably has feats that puts him so high, but it is only an opinion.
There was many battles with DS involved, but no one want to put them.
To defeat Superman, Darkseid have to have great durability (like Thanos) or super reaction speed (like Superman himself) or reality/time warping powers (like Skyfathers or X-Man)
He also has to have feats of destroying someone on Supe's level of durability (so better than MM).
I would like to see them.
Here's Darkseid teleporting Superman with the effect showing that it works on him
Here is Darkseid reacting to a blitz from Superman
Here is Darkseid transmuting Lashina back into her normal form
Here's Darkseid vaporizing Kalibak by touching him.
Here he uses telekinesis on Kent Nelson
And I'm still not done. I only stopped that post because for some reason the image uploader was acting weird.
Here is Darkseid teleporting Superman two more times and then transmuting Cyborg Superman back into his original form and once again the image uploader is acting weird so I may have to stop this post already.
Hilarious.
" @MrDirector786: You use all of blitz feats to credit Darkseid yet not one scan indicated how fast he was going. However, when Thanos reacts to FTL characters and it doesn;t say how fast they were going it's discredited because the speed is not determined. The rest of your post is just wrong Hilarious. "So, what exactly is wrong about my post? And as I said before, drop the act and replace your avatar because no one is buying it anymore. Also, I was only showing those scans to Czarny because he asked to see some of his feats.
Thank you." Darkseid pre crisis was a real threat current depiction of DS is a running joke... both current Superman pummels him for a ko or outruns the omega beams right back at him,.. DS has just bn destroyed as a character. "
@MrDirector786 said:
" @superdemon said:There is no act. What I'm saying is obvious. You are blinded by loyalty." @MrDirector786: You use all of blitz feats to credit Darkseid yet not one scan indicated how fast he was going. However, when Thanos reacts to FTL characters and it doesn;t say how fast they were going it's discredited because the speed is not determined. The rest of your post is just wrong Hilarious. "So, what exactly is wrong about my post? And as I said before, drop the act and replace your avatar because no one is buying it anymore. Also, I was only showing those scans to Czarny because he asked to see some of his feats. "
" Darkseid pre crisis was a real threat current depiction of DS is a running joke... both current Superman pummels him for a ko or outruns the omega beams right back at him,.. DS has just bn destroyed as a character. "ugh....@superdemon said:
" @Dark King said:I'm not surprised to see you agreeing with him. I'm done debating with you. Since you seem to like to ignore everything explaining that all of Darkseid's low-showings are out of context or are PIS and try to discredit his feats, go to KMC. There, they overrate marvel characters and seeing as how you're a marvel fanboy, you'd really enjoy it there." Darkseid pre crisis was a real threat current depiction of DS is a running joke... both current Superman pummels him for a ko or outruns the omega beams right back at him,.. DS has just bn destroyed as a character. "Thank you. "
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/" @Dark King said:
Thank you." Darkseid pre crisis was a real threat current depiction of DS is a running joke... both current Superman pummels him for a ko or outruns the omega beams right back at him,.. DS has just bn destroyed as a character. "
@MrDirector786 said:" @superdemon said:There is no act. What I'm saying is obvious. You are blinded by loyalty. "" @MrDirector786: You use all of blitz feats to credit Darkseid yet not one scan indicated how fast he was going. However, when Thanos reacts to FTL characters and it doesn;t say how fast they were going it's discredited because the speed is not determined. The rest of your post is just wrong Hilarious. "So, what exactly is wrong about my post? And as I said before, drop the act and replace your avatar because no one is buying it anymore. Also, I was only showing those scans to Czarny because he asked to see some of his feats. "
So it works on Supe.Ok, thanks.
But reacting to Superman isn't good, because it wasn't stated that Supe was flying FTL and for me he wasn't even trying to speeblitz him.
Give me some durability or speed feats (like with OB) and we will be done here.
" @Dark King said:I've seen you say this before. Seems like a last resort argument once you've been proven wrong. LMAO" Darkseid pre crisis was a real threat current depiction of DS is a running joke... both current Superman pummels him for a ko or outruns the omega beams right back at him,.. DS has just bn destroyed as a character. "ugh....@superdemon said:" @Dark King said:I'm not surprised to see you agreeing with him. I'm done debating with you. Since you seem to like to ignore everything explaining that all of Darkseid's low-showings are out of context or are PIS and try to discredit his feats, go to KMC. There, they overrate marvel characters and seeing as how you're a marvel fanboy, you'd really enjoy it there. "" Darkseid pre crisis was a real threat current depiction of DS is a running joke... both current Superman pummels him for a ko or outruns the omega beams right back at him,.. DS has just bn destroyed as a character. "Thank you. "
" @MrDirector786 said:So basically, the fact that he goes by out of context and low showings for Darkseid makes him smart and means he knows what he's talking about. Right? Does that mean that if I go by Thanos' low showings I'll know what I'm talking about?"I'm not surprised to see you agreeing with him. I'm done debating with you. Since you seem to like to ignore everything explaining that all of Darkseid's low-showings are out of context or are PIS and try to discredit his feats, go to KMC. There, they overrate marvel characters and seeing as how you're a marvel fanboy, you'd really enjoy it there. "I've seen you say this before. Seems like a last resort argument once you've been proven wrong. LMAO "
" @superdemon said:
" @MrDirector786 said:So basically, the fact that he goes by out of context and low showings for Darkseid makes him smart and means he knows what he's talking about. Right? Does that mean that if I go by Thanos' low showings I'll know what I'm talking about? ""I'm not surprised to see you agreeing with him. I'm done debating with you. Since you seem to like to ignore everything explaining that all of Darkseid's low-showings are out of context or are PIS and try to discredit his feats, go to KMC. There, they overrate marvel characters and seeing as how you're a marvel fanboy, you'd really enjoy it there. "I've seen you say this before. Seems like a last resort argument once you've been proven wrong. LMAO "
Darkseid and DC in general have a unique problem.
the history of the character depends on which time frame we are using and if which retconned character is being used at the time.
If you wanna use Darksied at his best tell us which version and time you want to use pre crises when he could grow to the size of a planet when the original supergirl was alive?
that is the uber Darkseid and he could smack around superman easy.
what you fail to realize is that the characters have gone through universal retcons or upgrades and is not the same as Thanos and your argument.
we dont use Thanos in current fights with the infinity gauntlet and claim that his power level is standard.. Darksied has bn written down consistently for years actually over a decade. to use his pre crises power lvls are disengenous to all parties.
you are posting scans that are well over a decade if not a generation to support darkseid. he hasnt bn that powerful in a loooong time.
" @superdemon said:No. We know you don;t know what you're talking about. That's a fact. But you can;t just choose to ignore cannon showings that have happened and judge him by his highest feats." @MrDirector786 said:So basically, the fact that he goes by out of context and low showings for Darkseid makes him smart and means he knows what he's talking about. Right? Does that mean that if I go by Thanos' low showings I'll know what I'm talking about? ""I'm not surprised to see you agreeing with him. I'm done debating with you. Since you seem to like to ignore everything explaining that all of Darkseid's low-showings are out of context or are PIS and try to discredit his feats, go to KMC. There, they overrate marvel characters and seeing as how you're a marvel fanboy, you'd really enjoy it there. "I've seen you say this before. Seems like a last resort argument once you've been proven wrong. LMAO "
Over all Darkseid is inconsistent and pathetic. There's no questions about it.
" @MrDirector786 : So it works on Supe.Ok, thanks. But reacting to Superman isn't good, because it wasn't stated that Supe was flying FTL and for me he wasn't even trying to speeblitz him. Give me some durability or speed feats (like with OB) and we will be done here. "I can agree that it was unknown how fast he was flying.
As for durability, here's Darkseid taking hits from Superboy without any ill effects, and then another of him getting hit back in time by some of the Legion and after they finish, there's no ill effects on him at all (though he is really annoyed).
And here's Darkseid getting hit by Superman's heat vision with no ill-effects.
" No. We know you don;t know what you're talking about. That's a fact. But you can;t just choose to ignore cannon showings that have happened and judge him by his highest feats. Over all Darkseid is inconsistent and pathetic. There's no questions about it. "In the last 10 years, Darkseid has still done things like having the Legion of Superheroes at his mercy. He is not inconsistent and pathetic unless you include Superman vs Darkseid Apokolips Now and his appearances in Superman/Batman issues. And you shouldn't be talking when you say I don't know what I'm talking about.
@Dark King said:
" Darkseid and DC in general have a unique problem. the history of the character depends on which time frame we are using and if which retconned character is being used at the time. If you wanna use Darksied at his best tell us which version and time you want to use pre crises when he could grow to the size of a planet when the original supergirl was alive? that is the uber Darkseid and he could smack around superman easy. what you fail to realize is that the characters have gone through universal retcons or upgrades and is not the same as Thanos and your argument. we dont use Thanos in current fights with the infinity gauntlet and claim that his power level is standard.. Darksied has bn written down consistently for years actually over a decade. to use his pre crises power lvls are disengenous to all parties. you are posting scans that are well over a decade if not a generation to support darkseid. he hasnt bn that powerful in a loooong time. "
........ all the scans I've posted are post-crisis Darkseid.
" You just showed Dakrseid get owned by Superboy and you showed Superman out run the OB. HAHAHA "He then punched Superboy in the face and took him out with one hit and Superman used the armor to protect himself. Now, you're really just being a troll. So please leave.
Superboy was still capable to knocking DS around for a minute and Superman easily avoided the OE long enough to have it blocked by the armor." @superdemon said:
" You just showed Dakrseid get owned by Superboy and you showed Superman out run the OB. HAHAHA "He then punched Superboy in the face and took him out with one hit and Superman used the armor to protect himself. Now, you're really just being a troll. So please leave. "
LOL.
Why is it so hard for people to understand and comprehend what they are reading?
" @MrDirector786 said:And yet Superboy didn't actually do any damage and one little punch from Darkseid knocked him for a loop....Superboy was still capable to knocking DS around for a minute and Superman easily avoided the OE long enough to have it blocked by the armor. LOL. Why is it so hard for people to understand and comprehend what they are reading? "" @superdemon said:
" You just showed Dakrseid get owned by Superboy and you showed Superman out run the OB. HAHAHA "He then punched Superboy in the face and took him out with one hit and Superman used the armor to protect himself. Now, you're really just being a troll. So please leave. "
The day something like this happens to Thanos I'll concede. Until then, Superman > Dakrseid and Thanos >>>>> Darkseid," @superdemon said:
" @MrDirector786 said:And yet Superboy didn't actually do any damage and one little punch from Darkseid knocked him for a loop.... "Superboy was still capable to knocking DS around for a minute and Superman easily avoided the OE long enough to have it blocked by the armor. LOL. Why is it so hard for people to understand and comprehend what they are reading? "" @superdemon said:
" You just showed Dakrseid get owned by Superboy and you showed Superman out run the OB. HAHAHA "He then punched Superboy in the face and took him out with one hit and Superman used the armor to protect himself. Now, you're really just being a troll. So please leave. "
I hope you know that superdemon is mattek aka DrTyrannical(after post that link to jobberseid, I think he might be Truepwnge). This guy is pretty much the marvel fanboy version of spike.
" @MrDirector786: I hope you know that superdemon is mattek aka DrTyrannical(after post that link to jobberseid, I think he might be Truepwnge). This guy is pretty much the marvel fanboy version of spike. "That's interesting to know. I'm in the process of reporting him to a moderator right now because he's pretty much stooped to outright trolling. I'm linking threads which show him being a troll to send to the mod.
"@MrDirector786 said:The day something like this happens to Thanos I'll concede. Until then, Superman > Dakrseid and Thanos >>>>> Darkseid, "" @superdemon said:
" @MrDirector786 said:And yet Superboy didn't actually do any damage and one little punch from Darkseid knocked him for a loop.... "Superboy was still capable to knocking DS around for a minute and Superman easily avoided the OE long enough to have it blocked by the armor. LOL. Why is it so hard for people to understand and comprehend what they are reading? "" @superdemon said:
" You just showed Dakrseid get owned by Superboy and you showed Superman out run the OB. HAHAHA "He then punched Superboy in the face and took him out with one hit and Superman used the armor to protect himself. Now, you're really just being a troll. So please leave. "
bizarre logic for the FAIl
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