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#1 Posted by KalKent1297 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman has been stripped of all his powers except his heat vision . This is the pre crisis superman . Both supes and Scott are bloodlusted.the battle takes place in an abandoned metropolis

#2 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

superman wins..

#3 Edited by The Stegman (25526 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's a rule of thumb, whenever you have to heavily nerf a character to put him in a battle, chances are the battle isn't worth it.

#4 Edited by joshuagamer (636 posts) - - Show Bio

superman can burn through time itself with his heat vision, cyclops stands no chance

#5 Posted by Dark Cloud™ (2178 posts) - - Show Bio

superman can burn through time itself with his heat vision, cyclops stands no chance

When has that happened? I demand a book and page!

Stripping Superman of his abilities, except for Heat Vision, puts him on Scott's level. So it's not so much as nerfing him as opposed to making him equal. Scott doesn't have control of his Optic Blasts without the Visor, and even then, once that Visor is removed and he opens his eyes, everything in the Blast's line of sight of demolished. Superman won't have his speed to help him focus his Heat Vision quick enough to react to Scott's almost-instant Concussive Beam, and there's a reminder: Scott has easily dispatched a Sentinel by removing his Visor. The same will be done to Superman.

#6 Posted by Marshall_Long (2272 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre Crisis Superman has the power of bad writing on his side he just comes up with another power on the spot.

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#7 Posted by AllStarSuperman (22794 posts) - - Show Bio

superman's heat vision is planet buster level

#8 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: I'm not doubting your claim. I'm curious as to why you think this?

#9 Posted by batnorris (679 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: I'm not doubting your claim. I'm curious as to why you think this?

you should doubt his claim. people think it's planet buster level because it's "as hot as the core of the sun"

#10 Edited by AllStarSuperman (22794 posts) - - Show Bio

@batnorris: @calebhara:

In this pic it shows that Supes Heat Vision stated by them, "his vision is off

the charts by any standard scientific measures". They can measure how hot a star

is, but they cannot measure the temp of Supermans Heat Vision.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...tvision30nk.jpg

In this pic his power is waning under a

red sun, but he still summoned enough Heat Vision to successfully power Jor-ELs

planet-moving ion engines. The in this case had a mass 16 times that of

Earth's.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...tvision17gy.jpg

In this pic, Superman is flying by the sun

to stop the Cannabal planet from destroying the sun. This also prove that Supes

is able to blow up a planet aswell. He also heated up a plaent with his Heat

Vision before too.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...eatvison2np.jpg

#11 Posted by XImpossibruX (5184 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman stomps....

But really Superman has never shown his heat vision to be hotter then the sun, he split and ocean, warmed up the planet, destroyed asteroids, but just because some reporter says they cant measure it, doesn't make it hotter then the sun. Hyperbole until proven.

#12 Posted by Pokeysteve (8557 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman stomps....

But really Superman has never shown his heat vision to be hotter then the sun, he split and ocean, warmed up the planet, destroyed asteroids, but just because some reporter says they cant measure it, doesn't make it hotter then the sun. Hyperbole until proven.

How exactly do you imagine them proving it? We have instruments that can measure several billion kelvin supernovas but can't put a number on his heat vision. It doesn't really get any more "proven" than that.

#13 Posted by XImpossibruX (5184 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: Doesn't matter. The reporter could easily be exaggerating.

Unless the feat is actually done, or the author confirms it, it's a hyperbole.

#14 Posted by Shawnbaby (10869 posts) - - Show Bio

Either can win this. Supes Heat Vision is more powerful than Scott's Optic Blasts...but it doesn't matter... Scott's Blasts at full power are enough to kill Clark in this scenario.

#15 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

OK.... Superman loses. Why? Because Superman's heat vision in full power would burn his face if he does not have the durability he once had. It's meant to be hotter than the sun's core. So the heat visions being extremely more powerful than optic blasts means squat. He can't do a full blast.

And strip Superman with his powers, Cyclops would be in better shape. Note that Cykes can slug it out with Wolverine. I know Superman still knows some martial arts but it would be close to useless in a long range fight.

#16 Posted by Pokeysteve (8557 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve:

Doesn't matter. The reporter could easily be exaggerating.

Unless the feat is actually done, or the author confirms it, it's a hyperbole.

"Off the charts by any of the standard scientific measures"

Does that really sound like an exaggerating reporter to you? Really? Saying his HV is "hotter than the sun" would be hyperbole without any further information. Having his HV be quantified as pretty much immeasurable is not hyperbole. The heat of the sun can be measured. The heat of other starts 10 times the size of the sun can be measured.

For all we know his average heat vision blast could be hotter than the sun. That line by the reporter IS the author confirming it. Why would he put it in the script otherwise?!

#17 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman stomps....

But really Superman has never shown his heat vision to be hotter then the sun, he split and ocean, warmed up the planet, destroyed asteroids, but just because some reporter says they cant measure it, doesn't make it hotter then the sun. Hyperbole until proven.

It's not only said by a reporter. A Thor clone once said it himself when Supes hit his axe.

#18 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

OK.... Superman loses. Why? Because Superman's heat vision in full power would burn his face if he does not have the durability he once had. It's meant to be hotter than the sun's core. So the heat visions being extremely more powerful than optic blasts means squat. He can't do a full blast.

THIS GUY FOR THE WIN.

#19 Posted by God_Spawn (38242 posts) - - Show Bio

Just gonna drop this here. Nyehehee

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#20 Posted by XImpossibruX (5184 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@ximpossibrux said:

Superman stomps....

But really Superman has never shown his heat vision to be hotter then the sun, he split and ocean, warmed up the planet, destroyed asteroids, but just because some reporter says they cant measure it, doesn't make it hotter then the sun. Hyperbole until proven.

It's not only said by a reporter. A Thor clone once said it himself when Supes hit his axe.

My bad... The Thor clone didn't say that... Must have mixed my memories... Here's the scan I was talking about.


#22 Edited by Dark Cloud™ (2178 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman stomps....

But really Superman has never shown his heat vision to be hotter then the sun, he split and ocean, warmed up the planet, destroyed asteroids, but just because some reporter says they cant measure it, doesn't make it hotter then the sun. Hyperbole until proven.

Not only that, but Superman has no other powers in this fight. Just heat vision. I don't see how focused beams of heat are going to do anything against uncontrollable solid force blasts. Is his heat vision hot enough to pierce solid force?

#23 Edited by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Just gonna drop this here. Nyehehee

I wish he'd use that on the Avengers.... All of em.... Especially against Tony...

Oh and please pay me? I've copyrighted the Nyehehe laugh a year ago... :p

#24 Edited by God_Spawn (38242 posts) - - Show Bio

Considering Superman's heat vision has thrown people around before and blocked other energy beams, I don't see why it would just phase through Cyclops' blasts.

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#25 Posted by God_Spawn (38242 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: Nah, I won't pay you :P. And apparently Cyclops will be doing something similar to New York or something in UXM 10. I think he loses full control or something based on the solicits. But Bendis has been given Cyke steroids or something. I know his powers are broken, but they seem hella lot stronger than they used to be. He goes from leveling a massive area and cracking buildings around the area to hurting Dormammu.

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#26 Edited by KalKent1297 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: well... If that's the case cyclops's heat vision is extremely hot too. Why doesn't it burn his face. No sarcasm, just curious because I think it's a valid point

#27 Posted by God_Spawn (38242 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent1297: Because Cyclops doesn't have heat vision. His blasts are just concussive force and he is immune to the affects of his own powers anyway.

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#28 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: well... If that's the case cyclops's heat vision is extremely hot too. Why doesn't it burn his face. No sarcasm, just curious because I think it's a valid point

When has it been stated to be extremely hot? And how hot was it stated to be? I doubt that it is as hot as that of Supes HV which is heat-centered as opposed to Scott's concussive-centered blasts.

#29 Posted by KalKent1297 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh......... Okay. I always thought Scott's optic blasts were heat centered with some concussive force

#30 Posted by KalKent1297 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+hot+is+superman's+heat+vision&client=safari&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fwejUeP_FcfKPfTTgdAJ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAA&biw=768&bih=900#biv=i%7C4%3Bd%7CXjpB8QfqHqAHgM%3A I think that page kinda settles it

#31 Posted by OverLordArhas (7793 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn:

I give to Superman when it comes to range, versatility, and being creative with his HV.

Long Range HV Writing

Super HV Shaving

Stunning 2 Enemies at once

Infared Massage

Omni-directional Microwave Attack

Simple Surgery

. Beat that SCOTT

#32 Edited by KalKent1297 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas: yeah .... But in this fight Supes doesn't have any of those other powers . He's just a normal guy except for the HV. So he probably doesn't have those skills anymore

#33 Posted by God_Spawn (38242 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh......... Okay. I always thought Scott's optic blasts were heat centered with some concussive force

Nope. It's a common misconception.

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#34 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Middle pick is sooooooooooooooooooo badass!!!!!!

Nyahahahahahahaha!

#35 Posted by OverLordArhas (7793 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas: yeah .... But in this fight Supes doesn't have any of those other powers . He's just a normal guy except for the HV. So he probably doesn't have those skills anymore

Those are HV feats pure and simple, even if you take away his speed and strength.

Question, is his Kryptonian Brain still working.

#36 Posted by xlab3000 (3341 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman

#37 Edited by Dredeuced (5778 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: Nah, I won't pay you :P. And apparently Cyclops will be doing something similar to New York or something in UXM 10. I think he loses full control or something based on the solicits. But Bendis has been given Cyke steroids or something. I know his powers are broken, but they seem hella lot stronger than they used to be. He goes from leveling a massive area and cracking buildings around the area to hurting Dormammu.

The Dark Dimension's got nothing on the punch dimension.

#38 Posted by God_Spawn (38242 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: Cyclops does have dat dimension of infinite energy :P.

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#39 Posted by OverLordArhas (7793 posts) - - Show Bio

Middle pick is sooooooooooooooooooo badass!!!!!!
Nyahahahahahahaha!

LOLZ, your going to anger some SUPES FAN. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

#40 Edited by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent1297 said:

@overlordarhas: yeah .... But in this fight Supes doesn't have any of those other powers . He's just a normal guy except for the HV. So he probably doesn't have those skills anymore

Those are HV feats pure and simple, even if you take away his speed and strength.

Question, is his Kryptonian Brain still working.

Without his durability, what stops his heat vision from burning his face?

#41 Posted by turoksonofstone (13200 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops defeats

Meh of Steel.

#42 Edited by Dredeuced (5778 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas said:

@kalkent1297 said:

@overlordarhas: yeah .... But in this fight Supes doesn't have any of those other powers . He's just a normal guy except for the HV. So he probably doesn't have those skills anymore

Those are HV feats pure and simple, even if you take away his speed and strength.

Question, is his Kryptonian Brain still working.

Without his durability, what stops his heat vision from burning his face?

It's a dimension filled with nothing but concussive force.

It is a dimension made of punches.

He punches you with his eyes that pull energy from an alternate dimension where there is nothing but punches. Fear the power of punching.

#43 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas: I'm not worried. Behind Lvenger, Midget and Sandman, I think I'm the fourth biggest Supes fan here anyway. :D

#44 Edited by MonsterStomp (19880 posts) - - Show Bio

OK.... Superman loses. Why? Because Superman's heat vision in full power would burn his face if he does not have the durability he once had. It's meant to be hotter than the sun's core. So the heat visions being extremely more powerful than optic blasts means squat. He can't do a full blast.

And strip Superman with his powers, Cyclops would be in better shape. Note that Cykes can slug it out with Wolverine. I know Superman still knows some martial arts but it would be close to useless in a long range fight.

This is what makes Cyclops weird.

#45 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: I was talking about Superman burning his own face if he does a heat vision without his own durability.

#46 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad said:

OK.... Superman loses. Why? Because Superman's heat vision in full power would burn his face if he does not have the durability he once had. It's meant to be hotter than the sun's core. So the heat visions being extremely more powerful than optic blasts means squat. He can't do a full blast.

And strip Superman with his powers, Cyclops would be in better shape. Note that Cykes can slug it out with Wolverine. I know Superman still knows some martial arts but it would be close to useless in a long range fight.

This is what makes Cyclops weird.

No it's not. As stated multiple times already, Cyclops' blasts are not heat-based.

#47 Posted by Dredeuced (5778 posts) - - Show Bio
#48 Edited by MonsterStomp (19880 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: I wasn't all that familiar with Cyclops tbh. I just guessed. Like a boss.

#49 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: Ehehe! Cool then... But that eye dimension of Scott bugs me.... Because it means he can't sundip like his stupid brother Havok!

#50 Edited by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops defeats

Meh of Steel.

Ahahaha! You'd jump at any excuse to hate MOS... Nyahahahaha!