They are two different types of "beams" altogether. Cyclops' optic blasts produce no heat at all and Superman's heat vision has no kinetic force, producing only heat.
"They are two different types of "beams" altogether. Cyclops' optic blasts produce no heat at all and Superman's heat vision has no kinetic force, producing only heat."
claws said:
"just by beams then i say cyclops but he will lose to supes in an real fight"
Cyclops 'power output' is far below that of Superman's vision power.
Although Cyclops is capable of punching through thick steel plate at a range of several hundred feat (or even thousands of feat in some showings), the beam does spread with distance and losses it's intensity. The beam is very powerful having been shown to easily blast through a building.
The temperature of Superman's heat vision is so high it cannot be measured by Earth scientists (so it appears to be able to get hotter than the Sun's core), has proven capable of cutting through superhard alloys (and opponents) and can appears to not lose intensity even over hundreds of miles (he has used it from orbit).
"Cyclops 'power output' is far below that of Superman's vision power.
Although Cyclops is capable of punching through thick steel plate at a range of several hundred feat (or even thousands of feat in some showings), the beam does spread with distance and losses it's intensity. The beam is very powerful having been shown to easily blast through a building.
The temperature of Superman's heat vision is so high it cannot be measured by Earth scientists (so it appears to be able to get hotter than the Sun's core), has proven capable of cutting through superhard alloys (and opponents) and can appears to not lose intensity even over hundreds of miles (he has used it from orbit). "
"Cyclops 'power output' is far below that of Superman's vision power.
Although Cyclops is capable of punching through thick steel plate at a range of several hundred feat (or even thousands of feat in some showings), the beam does spread with distance and losses it's intensity. The beam is very powerful having been shown to easily blast through a building.
The temperature of Superman's heat vision is so high it cannot be measured by Earth scientists (so it appears to be able to get hotter than the Sun's core), has proven capable of cutting through superhard alloys (and opponents) and can appears to not lose intensity even over hundreds of miles (he has used it from orbit). "
"They are two different types of "beams" altogether. Cyclops' optic blasts produce no heat at all and Superman's heat vision has no kinetic force, producing only heat."
It would be a more sensible comparison with Cyclops' beam and Iron Man's replusor rays.
"They are two different types of "beams" altogether. Cyclops' optic blasts produce no heat at all and Superman's heat vision has no kinetic force, producing only heat."
That's not really true, we have seen Superman exert force with his eyebeams. ecsnclr said:
"Cyclops Optic beams are the MU equivalent to DC Red Solar energy and it would mess with Supes powers eventual killing him"
"They are two different types of "beams" altogether. Cyclops' optic blasts produce no heat at all and Superman's heat vision has no kinetic force, producing only heat."
That's not really true, we have seen Superman exert force with his eyebeams. ecsnclr said:
"Cyclops Optic beams are the MU equivalent to DC Red Solar energy and it would mess with Supes powers eventual killing him"
Where do you get that?
"
Where have you sen him show force with his heat vision?
"They are two different types of "beams" altogether. Cyclops' optic blasts produce no heat at all and Superman's heat vision has no kinetic force, producing only heat."
That's not really true, we have seen Superman exert force with his eyebeams. ecsnclr said:
"Cyclops Optic beams are the MU equivalent to DC Red Solar energy and it would mess with Supes powers eventual killing him"
Where do you get that?
"
Where have you sen him show force with his heat vision? "
I think he has, though I might be wrong, I'll see if I can find some scans...
"They are two different types of "beams" altogether. Cyclops' optic blasts produce no heat at all and Superman's heat vision has no kinetic force, producing only heat."
That's not really true, we have seen Superman exert force with his eyebeams. ecsnclr said:
"Cyclops Optic beams are the MU equivalent to DC Red Solar energy and it would mess with Supes powers eventual killing him"
Where do you get that?
"
Where have you sen him show force with his heat vision? "
I think he has, though I might be wrong, I'll see if I can find some scans... "
I think you might be talking about his PC powers that including "rainbow vision" and such.
"They are two different types of "beams" altogether. Cyclops' optic blasts produce no heat at all and Superman's heat vision has no kinetic force, producing only heat."
That's not really true, we have seen Superman exert force with his eyebeams. ecsnclr said:
"Cyclops Optic beams are the MU equivalent to DC Red Solar energy and it would mess with Supes powers eventual killing him"
Where do you get that?
"
There non Thermal and the construct of them are very similar but i really do think they will have the same or similar effect on him
"Cyclops 'power output' is far below that of Superman's vision power.
Although Cyclops is capable of punching through thick steel plate at a range of several hundred feat (or even thousands of feat in some showings), the beam does spread with distance and losses it's intensity. The beam is very powerful having been shown to easily blast through a building.
The temperature of Superman's heat vision is so high it cannot be measured by Earth scientists (so it appears to be able to get hotter than the Sun's core), has proven capable of cutting through superhard alloys (and opponents) and can appears to not lose intensity even over hundreds of miles (he has used it from orbit). "
With his visor, Cyclops can fire compressed beams closer to laser width. If there aiming at eachother Cyk can shoot at supes all day and not hurt him where he'll be fried on the spot. Target practice is a different story, cyk could win that.
not counting him out, just saying Cyk has a chance, he's no slouch in the accurracy division it being his only power and all. Come to think of it if they did just h2h it might be good to.
"Cyclops 'power output' is far below that of Superman's vision power.
Although Cyclops is capable of punching through thick steel plate at a range of several hundred feat (or even thousands of feat in some showings), the beam does spread with distance and losses it's intensity. The beam is very powerful having been shown to easily blast through a building.
The temperature of Superman's heat vision is so high it cannot be measured by Earth scientists (so it appears to be able to get hotter than the Sun's core), has proven capable of cutting through superhard alloys (and opponents) and can appears to not lose intensity even over hundreds of miles (he has used it from orbit). "
With his visor, Cyclops can fire compressed beams closer to laser width. If there aiming at eachother Cyk can shoot at supes all day and not hurt him where he'll be fried on the spot. Target practice is a different story, cyk could win that. "
Superman has all the advanatages of enhanced senses - telescopic vision really gives him a boost. Seeing a target 50 miles away as if he was standing next to him makes targeting a doodle.
That is damn powerful If he goes all out and Hits Superman it's gonna hurt maybe not kill him but it's going to hurt a lot"
Cyclops optic beam would not even tickle Superman. Cyclops optic beam is nowhere near as powerful as Black Bolt's scream, which has been equated to a Nuclear Bomb. Superman (now days) easily withstands Nuclear Bombs.
That is damn powerful If he goes all out and Hits Superman it's gonna hurt maybe not kill him but it's going to hurt a lot"
Cyclops optic beam would not even tickle Superman. Cyclops optic beam is nowhere near as powerful as Black Bolt's scream, which has been equated to a Nuclear Bomb. Superman (now days) easily withstands Nuclear Bombs. "
I know but i always thought Cyclops Optic beams where from electromagnetic radiation and it only charges from exposure to the sun so i think Superman would feel due to it being a form of radiation
That is damn powerful If he goes all out and Hits Superman it's gonna hurt maybe not kill him but it's going to hurt a lot"
Cyclops optic beam would not even tickle Superman. Cyclops optic beam is nowhere near as powerful as Black Bolt's scream, which has been equated to a Nuclear Bomb. Superman (now days) easily withstands Nuclear Bombs. "
I know but i always thought Cyclops Optic beams where from electromagnetic radiation and it only charges from exposure to the sun so i think Superman would feel due to it being a form of radiation "
Except it doesn't produce radiation, it only produces physical force. And even if it was radiation, nothing indicates that it would match red sun radiation. Superman's eyebeams are red as well, it doesn't mean they are red sun radiation.
"But didn't Cyclops focus his powers compact tight and put a pin hole in Time i think i remember that"
What does have to do with anything? "
Just thought maybe if it was channel hard enough Superman would at least feel a sting but i don't see Cyclops winning i'm just trying to say that Superman will feel the blast that's all
"But didn't Cyclops focus his powers compact tight and put a pin hole in Time i think i remember that"
What does have to do with anything? "
Just thought maybe if it was channel hard enough Superman would at least feel a sting but i don't see Cyclops winning i'm just trying to say that Superman will feel the blast that's all "
Oh, okay, it thought it had something to do with radiation.
I don't know if Superman would feel the blast. He probably would, but I doubt it would do more than just enrage him.
"But didn't Cyclops focus his powers compact tight and put a pin hole in Time i think i remember that"
What does have to do with anything? "
Just thought maybe if it was channel hard enough Superman would at least feel a sting but i don't see Cyclops winning i'm just trying to say that Superman will feel the blast that's all "
Oh, okay, it thought it had something to do with radiation.
I don't know if Superman would feel the blast. He probably would, but I doubt it would do more than just enrage him. "
He would feel it and think "What the hell was that for. that kinda stings now I'm going to rip you in half assh0le." something like that
During the Civil War story arc, Cyclops gets controlled by another mutant to use his powers at their full magnitude. When Iron-man measured cyclops's power, he found the energy output was well over 2 giga-watt, larger than a large nuclear reactor. Supes is tough, but his Heat Vision has only a max temp of 262 kelvin. When it come to optic powers, Cyclops at his potential beats Superman.
"During the Civil War story arc, Cyclops gets controlled by another mutant to use his powers at their full magnitude. When Iron-man measured cyclops's power, he found the energy output was well over 2 giga-watt, larger than a large nuclear reactor. Supes is tough, but his Heat Vision has only a max temp of 262 kelvin. When it come to optic powers, Cyclops at his potential beats Superman. "
"During the Civil War story arc, Cyclops gets controlled by another mutant to use his powers at their full magnitude. When Iron-man measured cyclops's power, he found the energy output was well over 2 giga-watt, larger than a large nuclear reactor. Supes is tough, but his Heat Vision has only a max temp of 262 kelvin. When it come to optic powers, Cyclops at his potential beats Superman. "
Fail.
Superman's power output cannot be measured. It is potentially hotter than the sun. He once used it to heat the entire Earth.
"During the Civil War story arc, Cyclops gets controlled by another mutant to use his powers at their full magnitude. When Iron-man measured cyclops's power, he found the energy output was well over 2 giga-watt, larger than a large nuclear reactor. Supes is tough, but his Heat Vision has only a max temp of 262 kelvin. When it come to optic powers, Cyclops at his potential beats Superman. "
completely wrong...
Superman's power output is immesurable... there have been several instances where scientists have tried to measure the output of his heatvision and failed as it was hotter than anything on earth...
Superman has use his heat vision to melt diamonds or engrave them in the past, most notably however, he uses his heat vision to shave... putting his heat vision at capable of cutting Kryptonian biology while under a yellow sun... not his hair dowsn't burn ior get singed while he flies through a sun, so his heat vision is far hotter than the core of a star...
Cyclops' blast may be strong, but it's nowhere near Superman's level of power
"During the Civil War story arc, Cyclops gets controlled by another mutant to use his powers at their full magnitude. When Iron-man measured cyclops's power, he found the energy output was well over 2 giga-watt, larger than a large nuclear reactor. Supes is tough, but his Heat Vision has only a max temp of 262 kelvin. When it come to optic powers, Cyclops at his potential beats Superman. "
Now are you really sure about 262 Kelvin being Superman's maximum temperature ???
Let me explain why I think you have made an error. The Kelvin scale is an absolute temperature scale, able to record temperatures from absolute zero upwards, and therefore all as positive numbers (unlike other temperature scales). 1 deg Kelvin is equal to 1deg Celcius (for the size of the units). Therefore 0 deg Celcius is 273 deg Kelvin. So the maximum temperature of Superman's heat vision is the equivalent of -10 deg Celcius.........
As scientists cannot measure the maximum temp of Superman's heat vision, it is therefore considered to be hotter than the core of the Sun (which can be measured). This means that it can become hotter than 15,700,000 deg Kelvin. He can maintain this output for minutes, even hours if necessary. This power level far outstrips the figures you mentioned above.
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