#1 Posted by WillPayton (9168 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre-52 Superman going all out, punches Captain America's shield. Would it break?

#2 Posted by Nefarious (18760 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope. Not even Thor's hammer can break it.

#3 Posted by Gritterr (489 posts) - - Show Bio

Only magic or Matter manipulation will break caps shield

#4 Posted by Typhion (622 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope, but Cap's going for a long ride lol.

#5 Posted by Sydpart2 (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

shield will be ok, but cap is loosing the arm, shoulder, nerve endings in his neck

#6 Posted by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah the shield will be ok but what ever is behind it ......not so much....

#7 Posted by P0wer (55 posts) - - Show Bio

The outside of the shield will be fine maybe, but the inside who knows whats actually in it and if it can be damaged.

#8 Posted by whacknasty (5605 posts) - - Show Bio

@Typhion said:

Nope, but Cap's going for a long ride lol.

Lol. Funny image.

I agree the shield would probably be ok if Supes just punched it as hard as he could. Does anyone think he could rip/bend/dent it? I remember someone saying Maestro ripped or bent true adamantium, so maybe Supes could duplicate that with the shield? Or is the shield more durable than true adamantium? (Or would that feat be non canon anyway and count as much as a can of beans? lol)

#9 Edited by JediXMan (29619 posts) - - Show Bio

Not bad photoshopping there.

Cap's shield can take the hit.

#10 Posted by Suprman (442 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah his shield can take the hit, but he's going for a long ride that ends in lower orbit. And that's if his arm or even body, survives the impact.

#11 Posted by jwalser3 (4796 posts) - - Show Bio

I never really read any Captain America stuff, is his shield that strong?

#12 Posted by Typhion (622 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

I never really read any Captain America stuff, is his shield that strong?

Yep. It's an accidental one of a kind vibranium alloy. Trumps adamantium.

#13 Posted by WillPayton (9168 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

Not bad photoshopping there.

Cap's shield can take the hit.

Thank you!

#14 Posted by XEL820 (230 posts) - - Show Bio

@Suprman said:

yeah his shield can take the hit, but he's going for a long ride that ends in lower orbit. And that's if his arm or even body, survives the impact.

Wouldn't the shield absorb the impact of the blow? It'd pretty much end up being Superman pushing Cap with all his strength, wouldn't it?

#15 Posted by stonerthps (734 posts) - - Show Bio
@XEL820 said:

@Suprman said:

yeah his shield can take the hit, but he's going for a long ride that ends in lower orbit. And that's if his arm or even body, survives the impact.

Wouldn't the shield absorb the impact of the blow? It'd pretty much end up being Superman pushing Cap with all his strength, wouldn't it?

That's how I would see it too. I don't think cap would go anywhere. The shield would absorb the hit.
#16 Posted by WillPayton (9168 posts) - - Show Bio

@stonerthps said:

@XEL820 said:

@Suprman said:

yeah his shield can take the hit, but he's going for a long ride that ends in lower orbit. And that's if his arm or even body, survives the impact.

Wouldn't the shield absorb the impact of the blow? It'd pretty much end up being Superman pushing Cap with all his strength, wouldn't it?

That's how I would see it too. I don't think cap would go anywhere. The shield would absorb the hit.

Would it absorb the energy or just turn it back onto Superman? I mean, the shield seems to bounce off of things with little energy loss, an almost completely elastic collision. There's no difference between the shield hitting something and bouncing off, and something hitting the shield and bouncing off, from a physics point of view it's the same event. This would mean Superman's fist would just bounce off. So, would Superman just break his hand?

#17 Posted by Enosisik (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap shouldn't be hurt by it since it absobs impact. Superman might go flying from his fist bouncing off so fast. Cap's shield is inconsistent in that way.

#18 Edited by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap's shield would survive unscathed from Superman, and Cap's shield would absorb most of the impact, but probably not all of it, as Cap has been pushed back by a full powered lightning blast from Thor, and other powerful attacks from enemies before. So I would hazard a guess and say there are two factors in determining if Cap and his shield get moved or go flying back...

#1) Is there seems to be a limit to the shield's energy absorbtion abilities, granted a super high limit, but it does seem to exist, in the case of Thor blasting Cap with his lightning, they were testing Cap's shield and Cap was prepared and ready for it but still had to put an arm against the wall to brace himself from moving back.

#2) It also seems that if he is surprised or unprepared he can get knoced back fairly far, such as when Iron Fist used to Iron Fist on him and Cap barely got his shield up in time,

and most recently in AvsX when Cyclops blasted him sending him back several feet

Perhaps he needs to hold it in a specific way (position or angle) to avoid being blasted back which would explain why if he gets hit unexpectedly or too fast to react he gets sent flying. Just my opinion, tho.

Kind of off topic though, so I apologize for that. But yes Cap's shield would survive unscathed from a full powered punch from Superman.

#19 Posted by Supreme Marvel (11264 posts) - - Show Bio

If a punch doesn't work. Why not push him into the ground with it.

#20 Posted by Remi (613 posts) - - Show Bio

Nah.

#21 Posted by XEL820 (230 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982: @Enosisik: @WillPayton:

Does it bounce energy? I thought it just absorbed it? But even if the energy of the initial contact was absorbed, what I see happening is; Superman now has he fist on the shield and is pushing it with all his might. So while Cap might take no damage from the punch itself, he'll definitely go flying. That explains why in several of those scans he took the blows with no injuries but was still lifted off his feet, especially with Cyclops. Cyclops's beams generate concussive force. Because of that, the shield can absorb the beams initial force, but after that, the force that the beam still carries as a whole will push Ca[ back. Am I making sense? lol

#22 Posted by TifaLockhart (14042 posts) - - Show Bio

A better question would be does Superman break his hand?

I wonder if the paint would come off. But yeah, Captain America's shield is just that incredibly durable. It would be fine.

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#23 Posted by Hung_Justice (76 posts) - - Show Bio

I see my Flash vs Cap's Shield thread has raised questions. But I doubt a hundred percent that Superman could break the shield, in fact; I think the shield will just force Superman back and Cap's arm will be fine.

#24 Posted by IKnowEverything (359 posts) - - Show Bio

The shield is consistent at deflecting blows, but inconsistent about whether or not the attack knocks cap off his feat. Regardless though the shield is fine. The only think I'm not sure of is what happens to cap behind the shield...

#25 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sydpart2 said:

shield will be ok, but cap is loosing the arm, shoulder, nerve endings in his neck

#26 Posted by Enosisik (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

Exel820. It absorbs and deflects as far as I know. You have to take account that it's not made of 100% vibranium which if it were it probably wouldn't bounce but would just fall to the ground on impact after a throw. Idk this might be something to ask a writer.

#27 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Invisible Woman once cloak Captain America so that he can protect Reed Richards while tricking Gladiator at the same time.

Gladiator punch Reed Richards, who happens to be under invisible Captain's protection, he lash out as much punch and heat vision as he could, but he can't harm Reed Richards. That trick him into loosing his confidence.

Well, since Gladiator has already shown to be capable of busting planet with his fist, I can infer that Captain's shield is nearly immune to physical damage. The only clear thing that ever broke Captain's shield in 616 is so far magic and matter manipulation.

#28 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

Gladiator is no Superman, but he is planet buster.

#29 Posted by ImmortalOne (3304 posts) - - Show Bio

The shield will be fine. Captain America, however, will probably be blasted into space.

#30 Posted by hermankeson (436 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman prime would break the shield no sweat.

#31 Posted by WillPayton (9168 posts) - - Show Bio

@XEL820 said:

@tg1982: @Enosisik: @WillPayton:

Does it bounce energy? I thought it just absorbed it? But even if the energy of the initial contact was absorbed, what I see happening is; Superman now has he fist on the shield and is pushing it with all his might. So while Cap might take no damage from the punch itself, he'll definitely go flying. That explains why in several of those scans he took the blows with no injuries but was still lifted off his feet, especially with Cyclops. Cyclops's beams generate concussive force. Because of that, the shield can absorb the beams initial force, but after that, the force that the beam still carries as a whole will push Ca[ back. Am I making sense? lol

Well, when Cap throws the shield it bounces off of things all over the place, suggesting that one of it's characteristics is that it reflects kinetic energy (physical collisions). Maybe it's different with energy attacks such as lightning, lasers, or particle beams. But, if the shield just absorbed kinetic energy, then Cap would throw it at a wall and then it'd just hit and drop to the ground, it wouldnt bounce at all.

#32 Posted by Strider92 (16118 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by Enosisik (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton. Right but caps shield is a special blend of vibranium , adamantium an unknown part so somehow it is able to do both absorb and reflect. I'm guessing this is just another one of those things that doesn't follow real science.

#34 Edited by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

@XEL820 said:

@tg1982: @Enosisik: @WillPayton:

Does it bounce energy? I thought it just absorbed it? But even if the energy of the initial contact was absorbed, what I see happening is; Superman now has he fist on the shield and is pushing it with all his might. So while Cap might take no damage from the punch itself, he'll definitely go flying. That explains why in several of those scans he took the blows with no injuries but was still lifted off his feet, especially with Cyclops. Cyclops's beams generate concussive force. Because of that, the shield can absorb the beams initial force, but after that, the force that the beam still carries as a whole will push Ca[ back. Am I making sense? lol

Well, when Cap throws the shield it bounces off of things all over the place, suggesting that one of it's characteristics is that it reflects kinetic energy (physical collisions). Maybe it's different with energy attacks such as lightning, lasers, or particle beams. But, if the shield just absorbed kinetic energy, then Cap would throw it at a wall and then it'd just hit and drop to the ground, it wouldnt bounce at all.

You're right. Cap's shield is a blend of Vibranium and and unknown steel or iron alloy the process of which was never duplicated and also Adamantium was created through one of the attempts, it should also be noted that now the Asgardian metal Uru has been added to the shield (Fear Itself) making it possibly stronger than adamantium.

@XEL820 said:

@tg1982: @Enosisik: @WillPayton:

Does it bounce energy? I thought it just absorbed it? But even if the energy of the initial contact was absorbed, what I see happening is; Superman now has he fist on the shield and is pushing it with all his might. So while Cap might take no damage from the punch itself, he'll definitely go flying. That explains why in several of those scans he took the blows with no injuries but was still lifted off his feet, especially with Cyclops. Cyclops's beams generate concussive force. Because of that, the shield can absorb the beams initial force, but after that, the force that the beam still carries as a whole will push Ca[ back. Am I making sense? lol

It's certainly a possibility but I'm more inclined to believe the Cap being suprised and not expecting it theory, in part due to the two scans of Iron Fist (it was just a quick punch with no continuous force) and Cyclops (Cap wasn't expecting the blast and just got his shield up in time) and also do to this scan....

Cap was prepared for the equal strength maybe stronger (due to them both being engaged in the "official" fighting) blast and was not only did he not go flying from it but advanced on Cyclops bashing him in the face.