"if the battle is in space speed wont be an issue for BRB once he starts flying if anything supes would be frozen in place while BRB is moving 3x faster than light
if supes slow down for an instant in a blitz he is taking a beating of his life
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Superman has moved 18 times the speed of light in space. Faster than BRB has ever moved.
"i equate his speed just like any other power he has to activate it just like his heat vision or any other power focus. people like to think like his powers are constantly on"
he was talking point of reference speed you know albert eistien
and if the 18x reference is him flying from earth to saturn moon under 4 min u might want to consider bad writing unless it has been qouted by dc as his actual flying speed
using the same math thor is flying billions of times FTL to the outer edge of the universecaption
Easy...he's lifts his hammer and bangs him in the face."
That might work if only Supes wasnt several hundred times faster then BRB
BTW do you change your pic every five minutes or something>?"
No..I don't change my pic every 5 minutes..this is a different account and I had that Dr.Strange avatar all month.
Anyway...Superman being faster than Beta Ray Bill doesn't mean anything.Superman is a brawler and he doesn't always use his speed even when he's fighting to the best of his ability..he still gets hit by people slower than him.
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And do you have like 8 accounts or something? Supes can fight very well being trained by Bats wonder woman wildcat and mongul
supes fighting bigger slower opponents like grundy and doomsday is just good writing
Hes been able to react and counter attacks from the flash
BRB would never be able to touch him"
I have more than 8 accounts.
I know who Superman was trained by...Beta Ray Bill is a trained warrior as well.
I know Superman was able to react to Flash...Flash is a super speedster....that is the only way he could hit him.
Why do people doubt Beta Ray's strength? Dude was right there with Thor lifting Asgard [the city is pretty huge and the materials on are average are 3 times as dense as normal Earth materials so heavier too, if high rise buildings are in the 100,000 ton range imagine an entire city....]. Dude has also cracked Galactus armour a feat not many have achieved.
I dont see Superman being at all superior in terms of speed, Stormbreaker should be able to kill him if commanded or whilst holding it allow Beta Ray to keep pace easily.
As for endurance, the guy is copres. The Stormbreaker mini shows his endurance to be uper echelons [surviving planet ravaging blasts, falling asleep in the center of a sun lolololo etc]
He could kill Superman with that ol' crazy vortex thing people show for Thor or some other crazy hammer/teleport/vortex thing.
"he was talking point of reference speed you know albert eistien
and if the 18x reference is him flying from earth to saturn moon under 4 min u might want to consider bad writing unless it has been qouted by dc as his actual flying speed
using the same math thor is flying billions of times FTL to the outer edge of the universecaption"
It's not bad writing for the simple fact that Superman HAS THE ABILITY to move faster than light. And, the scan that shows Thor's FTL speed, there's a caption in the third panel that says he is moving 3x the speed of light. Not billions of times. Reread the scan. The other scan doesn't really show how fast Bill is moving. So there's no telling how fast he's moving, and that scan can't be used as evidence.
my point is the speed is 3x ftl light but clearly the distance he is traveling is far beyond that and again i am showing point of reference fighting not the actual speed so yes it can be used for a reference
"my point is the speed is 3x ftl light but clearly the distance he is traveling is far beyond that and again i am showing point of reference fighting not the actual speed so yes it can be used for a reference"
It can be used for a reference. But, Superman has clearly moved faster than that.
For this Superman speed thing did it say hehis exact speed? Not a stickler for this evidence crap all the time but people, when it comes to speed, seem to think any DC character has the monopoly on it and when you show something comparable of a Marvel character its a lie.
"For this Superman speed thing did it say hehis exact speed? Not a stickler for this evidence crap all the time but people, when it comes to speed, seem to think any DC character has the monopoly on it and when you show something comparable of a Marvel character its a lie."
There's a caption that says Superman made it to a moon of Saturn in 4 minutes. That implies how fast he's going. As far as finding the exact speed, that would take calculations.
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Read the caption...
Earth is 821,190,000 miles from Saturn. Light moves at 186,000 miles per sec. 4 minutes is 240 seconds. 821,190,000 miles/240 sec is 3,421,625 miles per sec (the speed that Superman was moving at the time). Divide Superman's speed by Light-speed. 3,421,625 miles per sec/186,000 miles per sec is18.39583333 times the speed of light... Round that off to 18.40 times.
This compared to instances where people claim Sentry flew to the Sun or Saturn in a few seconds aren't valid because there's nothing there to imply how fast he was moving over the distance he covered. Unlike those instances, there wasn't a caption that gave a timeframe like this scan did. It doesn't have to give an exact speed. It's a simple math problem. If it says he did it 4 minutes, then its up to the reader to find out the distance between Saturn and the Earth, and how fast light moves. Then calculate it from there. Showings for Sentry don't give evidence at all. There was a scan with Iron Man defeating MODOK through BFR, and in a caption, it stated how fast he was going. Mach 8. Writers didn't do this for Sentry. So, there's no telling how fast he moves in space. It's not a lie. It's just there's nothing that most Marvel characters can do to compare to instances such as this above.
The only reason I think BRB could take this is because of his durability and stormbreaker advantage. BRB was creaming a herald of Galactus, and tanking nearly every attack. I totally think he could take the initial blitz via stormbreaker enchantments.
"The only reason I think BRB could take this is because of his durability and stormbreaker advantage. BRB was creaming a herald of Galactus, and tanking nearly every attack. I totally think he could take the initial blitz via stormbreaker enchantments."
But the Stormbreaker is a Mystical Weapon. Superman has immunity to Magical Attacks due to his gift he received from the Phantom Stranger
people keep using that moment with the stranger but it is never clear if it was just for that fight ppl are assuming and u know what happens when u do.
"people keep using that moment with the stranger but it is never clear if it was just for that fight ppl are assuming and u know what happens when u do.
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Well can you prove that he doesnt have the Magical Immunity anymore ?
and the speed of thor was use to show the contradiction of flight speed did you read where he was flying to clearly he could not reach that place simply by flying at 3x FTL
people keep using that moment with the stranger but it is never clear if it was just for that fight ppl are assuming and u know what happens when u do.
What comic was that from? Because Abra Kadabra keeps saying "This is my world" so he could have been powered up by his own dimension or something.
and the speed of thor was use to show the contradiction of flight speed did you read where he was flying to clearly he could not reach that place simply by flying at 3x FTL"
But thats the Thing... he was given the Magical Immunity... but there is nothing to say that he had lost it or it was just temporary... so how is it wrong to say he still has it ?
It says doubled and trebled. I don't see what more proof you need.
Can you prove it's billions of times FTL? No? Then your point is moot.
and the speed of thor was use to show the contradiction of flight speed did you read where he was flying to clearly he could not reach that place simply by flying at 3x FTL
All it says is he jumped into another dimension.
Nightcrawler does that when he teleports (I think).
"The only reason I think BRB could take this is because of his durability and stormbreaker advantage. BRB was creaming a herald of Galactus, and tanking nearly every attack. I totally think he could take the initial blitz via stormbreaker enchantments."
But the Stormbreaker is a Mystical Weapon. Superman has immunity to Magical Attacks due to his gift he received from the Phantom Stranger"
Well, I could understand if he wasn't allergic to magic anymore. But, a timestop is a timestop the means to which it happens magic or not.
"The only reason I think BRB could take this is because of his durability and stormbreaker advantage. BRB was creaming a herald of Galactus, and tanking nearly every attack. I totally think he could take the initial blitz via stormbreaker enchantments."
But the Stormbreaker is a Mystical Weapon. Superman has immunity to Magical Attacks due to his gift he received from the Phantom Stranger"
Well, I could understand if he wasn't allergic to magic anymore. But, a timestop is a timestop the means to which it happens magic or not. "
But who is to say Beta Ray Bill would use that attack right off the Bat ?
Speaking of the magical resistance/immunity that Superman was granted, there's really no telling whether or not he still has it. It could have been temporary.
"The only reason I think BRB could take this is because of his durability and stormbreaker advantage. BRB was creaming a herald of Galactus, and tanking nearly every attack. I totally think he could take the initial blitz via stormbreaker enchantments."
But the Stormbreaker is a Mystical Weapon. Superman has immunity to Magical Attacks due to his gift he received from the Phantom Stranger"
Well, I could understand if he wasn't allergic to magic anymore. But, a timestop is a timestop the means to which it happens magic or not. "
But who is to say Beta Ray Bill would use that attack right off the Bat ? "
The same theory applies to Supes however many times the speed of light to Saturn blitz, lol. I'm really up in the air on this one, could be either of the two. Flip a coin, lol.
"crossovers dont count and superman said that thor was his toughest opponent he ever faced"
Where did he say that? I doubt he was tougher than Doomsday"
said that right after when supes beat him and after when he said it ironman comes up and attacks him but dont matter crossovers dont count unless the crossover was canon
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