I think Superman would beat Beta Ray Bill... simply because Superman doesnt have the direct vunerablity to Magic anymore he used to have... and Bill cant slug it out with Superman...
Beta Ray Bill isnt as strong or as fast as Superman though... he may have the durability and stamina... but his physical strength and speed will be what gets him into trouble here...
Superman has beaten gods and demigods in the past back when he was vulnerable to magic, same with captain marvel who is the avatar of 6 different gods, I don't see how Beta Ray Bill will triumph where others couldn't
"Superman has beaten gods and demigods in the past back when he was vulnerable to magic, same with captain marvel who is the avatar of 6 different gods, I don't see how Beta Ray Bill will triumph where others couldn't"
Beta Ray Bill beating Warrior's Madness Thor...is ridiculous and
Superman beating being with magical abilities when that is one of his weaknesses is even worse.
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like I said superman was never weak to magic, he was vulnerable.
That means that magic could go through his usual defenses but at the end of the day they had as much effect on him as let's say wonder woman or green lantern
Not an issue now as Phantom Stranger and Zatanna got rid of that
Beta Ray Bill beating Warrior's Madness Thor...is ridiculous and
Superman beating being with magical abilities when that is one of his weaknesses is even worse.
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like I said superman was never weak to magic, he was vulnerable.
That means that magic could go through his usual defenses but at the end of the day they had as much effect on him as let's say wonder woman or green lantern
Not an issue now as Phantom Stranger and Zatanna got rid of that"
I know he doesn't have that vulnerability anymore but what I am saying is he had no defense before so beating people who can use magical abilities is ridiculous.
Why they took away that vulnerability is beyond me..damn near nothing hurts him to begin with.BRB will hurt him though.
maybe, but it could be argued that is the same as Martian Manhunter beating fire users or daredevil beating sonic users, it makes it more difficult, not impossible
"maybe, but it could be argued that is the same as Martian Manhunter beating fire users or daredevil beating sonic users, it makes it more difficult, not impossible"
I don't know about Martian Manhunter but Daredevil never resisted sonic users.If someone used a sonic weapon against him..he either knocked the weapon out of their hand,broke the weapon or took cover.They never used it on him and he still one.No if Martian Manhunter was burned in a fight that he won..that is ridiculous,but if he fought a fire user and dodged all of his attacks..than that makes sense.
Now...As far as Beta Ray Bill & Superman...Superman may not be vulnerable to magic but he is vulnerable to energy manipulation.
"maybe, but it could be argued that is the same as Martian Manhunter beating fire users or daredevil beating sonic users, it makes it more difficult, not impossible"
I don't know about Martian Manhunter but Daredevil never resisted sonic users.If someone used a sonic weapon against him..he either knocked the weapon out of their hand,broke the weapon or took cover.They never used it on him and he still one.No if Martian Manhunter was burned in a fight that he won..that is ridiculous,but if he fought a fire user and dodged all of his attacks..than that makes sense.
Now...As far as Beta Ray Bill & Superman...Superman may not be vulnerable to magic but he is vulnerable to energy manipulation.
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I recall you using that Daredevil had fought against people that used sonics as an argument before
Martian Manhunter was hit by several firebenders/users, yet in Final Crisis he was still able to give a fight to some of the most lethal villains while having a fire lance through his hearth before dying
Superman basically works the same way, he may have been vulnerable to magic but receiving attacks of it while it hurt him, didn't stop him from keep going
if the battle is in space speed wont be an issue for BRB once he starts flying if anything supes would be frozen in place while BRB is moving 3x faster than light
if supes slow down for an instant in a blitz he is taking a beating of his life
"maybe, but it could be argued that is the same as Martian Manhunter beating fire users or daredevil beating sonic users, it makes it more difficult, not impossible"
I don't know about Martian Manhunter but Daredevil never resisted sonic users.If someone used a sonic weapon against him..he either knocked the weapon out of their hand,broke the weapon or took cover.They never used it on him and he still one.No if Martian Manhunter was burned in a fight that he won..that is ridiculous,but if he fought a fire user and dodged all of his attacks..than that makes sense.
Now...As far as Beta Ray Bill & Superman...Superman may not be vulnerable to magic but he is vulnerable to energy manipulation.
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I recall you using that Daredevil had fought against people that used sonics as an argument before
Martian Manhunter was hit by several firebenders/users, yet in Final Crisis he was still able to give a fight to some of the most lethal villains while having a fire lance through his hearth before dying
Superman basically works the same way, he may have been vulnerable to magic but receiving attacks of it while it hurt him, didn't stop him from keep going"
I did use it as an arguement before because people act like all you have to do it have a somic weapon and you beat Daredevil.If you use it on him effectively than yes..there is no way he can win.But if you have a sonic cannon and Daredevil breaks you hands before you can shoot it than you don't have the advantage anymore.
Martian Manhunter being burned when fire is his weakness is ridiculous.If he were to dodge the fire or something like that then that would make sense.Same thing with Superman..if someone shoots a magic beam at him and he dodges it..that makes sense.. but to be hit with the beam and resist it is utterly ridiculous.
"if the battle is in space speed wont be an issue for BRB once he starts flying if anything supes would be frozen in place while BRB is moving 3x faster than light
if supes slow down for an instant in a blitz he is taking a beating of his life
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you do know that superman moves faster in space as there ain't anything to hit there?
Superman has shown to be able to move faster than 3 times the speed of light...
He went from the Earth to the sun and return to the same place in less than a minute, a trip that takes 8 minutes (one way) at the speed of light, do the math
"maybe, but it could be argued that is the same as Martian Manhunter beating fire users or daredevil beating sonic users, it makes it more difficult, not impossible"
I don't know about Martian Manhunter but Daredevil never resisted sonic users.If someone used a sonic weapon against him..he either knocked the weapon out of their hand,broke the weapon or took cover.They never used it on him and he still one.No if Martian Manhunter was burned in a fight that he won..that is ridiculous,but if he fought a fire user and dodged all of his attacks..than that makes sense.
Now...As far as Beta Ray Bill & Superman...Superman may not be vulnerable to magic but he is vulnerable to energy manipulation.
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I recall you using that Daredevil had fought against people that used sonics as an argument before
Martian Manhunter was hit by several firebenders/users, yet in Final Crisis he was still able to give a fight to some of the most lethal villains while having a fire lance through his hearth before dying
Superman basically works the same way, he may have been vulnerable to magic but receiving attacks of it while it hurt him, didn't stop him from keep going"
I did use it as an arguement before because people act like all you have to do it have a somic weapon and you beat Daredevil.If you use it on him effectively than yes..there is no way he can win.But if you have a sonic cannon and Daredevil breaks you hands before you can shoot it than you don't have the advantage anymore.
Martian Manhunter being burned when fire is his weakness is ridiculous.If he were to dodge the fire or something like that then that would make sense.Same thing with Superman..if someone shoots a magic beam at him and he dodges it..that makes sense.. but to be hit with the beam and resist it is utterly ridiculous.
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maybe. but Superman has always be kept as someone who can go against gods (and can easily be considered one) logic or not, those are feats that Superman has done, it hasn't be done only once to make it pass as bad writing though
i didnt say he matches him in speed i said from the beginning once it becomes physical fight he will lose since i dont see supes reflex being 3x or higher FTL maybe his flying speed not reflex.
the same super mind speed that let's him get hit by normal human reaction speed like batman.
i equate his speed just like any other power he has to activate it just like his heat vision or any other power focus. people like to think like his powers are constantly on
considering that when he wants no one can touch him (vibration trick taught to him by flash) yeah, think it this way, if superman used speed to never be touched by anyone, his comic fights would be boring beyond words...
Easy...he's lifts his hammer and bangs him in the face."
That might work if only Supes wasnt several hundred times faster then BRB
BTW do you change your pic every five minutes or something>?"
No..I don't change my pic every 5 minutes..this is a different account and I had that Dr.Strange avatar all month.
Anyway...Superman being faster than Beta Ray Bill doesn't mean anything.Superman is a brawler and he doesn't always use his speed even when he's fighting to the best of his ability..he still gets hit by people slower than him.
Easy...he's lifts his hammer and bangs him in the face."
That might work if only Supes wasnt several hundred times faster then BRB
BTW do you change your pic every five minutes or something>?"
No..I don't change my pic every 5 minutes..this is a different account and I had that Dr.Strange avatar all month.
Anyway...Superman being faster than Beta Ray Bill doesn't mean anything.Superman is a brawler and he doesn't always use his speed even when he's fighting to the best of his ability..he still gets hit by people slower than him.
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And do you have like 8 accounts or something? Supes can fight very well being trained by Bats wonder woman wildcat and mongul
supes fighting bigger slower opponents like grundy and doomsday is just good writing
Hes been able to react and counter attacks from the flash
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