I don't think you even realize how wack what you just posted was...it doesn't matter what you claim the gaps of Ted's so called physical capabilities are... he didn't display anything that was out of the ordinary in those scans against Killer Croc or Solomon Grundy to beat them... he did what skilled fighters tend to do... they evade and they strike... even if Ted's physical strength is superior to Ali's it's impossible to determine by how much... but considering Ali is a skilled fighter ( Elite Class Boxer ) and he has quality power... I see no reason why he couldn't duplicate what Ted did in those scans... the scans don't suggest that Ted was evading with some superhuman speed or he hit Croc with superhuman strength... so again, I don't see where you are going with this at all.
Killer Croc has killed other fodder with absolute ease. You fail to see that comic book characters will always be superior to real life humans. There is no evidence to suggest that Ali is fast, agile, or possesses the reaction time needed to evade Croc's blows in the first place. The reason why other humans have been able to defeat Killer Croc was because they were named characters. Without the assistance of plot, characters like Damian Wayne and Two-Face could be dead. He jobs because writers either downplay him or use him as a stepping stone so that important characters in the Batman mythos aren't killed off. Ali is not someone that is important to comic book mythology at all, and would be easily killed by Waylon. Yes, Ted did what skilled fighters what do, but the skilled fighters in the DC Universe make Ali look like the socially awkward wimp in high school. Even in the scans from Next Frontier, Ted remarked to have knocked out Ultra-Humanite with a single punch. That alone puts his striking power significantly above Ali's. You're also completely forgetting the fact that Ted has done well against Batman, easily defeated ninjas, and more. If you want to get into his high showings, he's went up against Hawkman, Tigress, Batman, and Creeper, all of whom are superior to Muhammad in every category. If you want to get into his lower showings, he's beaten up armed thugs, nameless robots, and fodder aliens, all of whom are superior to Muhammad in every category. Even an old Ted without the assistance of his gloves (often with metal spikes on them) has been able to put huge dents in walls with a single punch. He's also kicked a robot's leg clean off. He's far superior to Ali, and yet you fail time and time again to acknowledge this because you are too bias. Elite Class Boxer is a weightless title in the DC Universe, and his "quality power" is nothing for comic book characters. Vaguely describe Ali and wank his accomplishments all you want, but my point stands: Alfred would make Ali look like a clown. Croc and Wildcat would beat him in a minute tops.
- Deduces Hush's disguise despite him having facial surgery to look exactly like Bruce, and displays martial arts techniques, temporarily downing the villain.
- Easily beats up a group of thugs armed with fully-automatic rifles.
- Gets the better of Dick Grayson, Nightwing, in a sparring contest in BATTLE FOR THE COWL.
- Beats up more goons armed with various handguns.
Do you see Muhammad Ali being able to get the better of Nightwing while sparring, and having the ability to take down multiple henchmen with various weapons? Yeah, I don't think so. And yet you honestly think that Ali would be able to defeat Wildcat or Killer Croc in a fight? You already made me laugh once. Don't make me do it again.
Ted is not exponentially more skilled at Boxing than Ali is... that is what is key. It doesn't matter what other skills Ted has... as we see in the scans he only used evasion and hand strikes... what is Ali known for ? That's right evasion and hand strikes.
Ted is significantly more skilled than Ali, especially if we this is Ted in his prime. The guy being able to take on armed goons with automatic weapons is already enough to put him over Ali. When you take in his other feats, such as facing off against Batman, only ignorance and bias would make you think he would be able be beaten by Ali. Peak humans in comic books are indeed superhuman. Ted Grant is none to use evasion and hand strikes with superhuman strength and speed (relative to our world). What does Ali lack to actually hurt Killer Croc? That's right: superhuman strength and speed. We're talking about someone who has easily killed heavily armed security and tanked a point-blank shotgun blast.
- Here's him tanking the shotgun bullets.
Why would Killer Croc, who can maim armed SWAT members and easily tank a shotgun blast at point-blank range fall to a regular human using nothing but his hand-to-hand skill? Because they are named characters, and the writers use him as a stepping stone. If Croc was written right, he'd be able to give most street-levelers a hard time. The very fact that he even lasts more than thirty seconds against Batman is already a good feat compared to what Ali and other fighters in real life can do.
I brushed off nothing... I already told you it's irrelevant what stats Ali has... we already know he is a skilled boxer who used evasion and hand strikes... the same thing that was used by Ted to take him out. The gap between Ted and Ali at boxing is not great at all... I don't think one exists actually... plus, Ted is not physically on Croc's level either... yet, he could handle him.
You didn't brush off anything? How about Ali's incapability to give Batman a good fight whereas Wildcat was? How about the fact that Killer Croc has an advantage over Ali in strength, speed, and durability? Stats are relevant because all named characters in the DC Universe have better combat feats than people do in real life. Commissioner Gordon and Alfred alone can defeat Ali with minimal effort. Croc losing to Wildcat was because he has superhuman strength, speed, agility, and strength when compared to Ali. Saying "the two are human and skilled" isn't going to cut it pal. Stop using that excuse over and over again when I have already debunked it in every single post. You say the gap between Ted and Ali boxing is not great at all? Is that why the guy has been able to easily beat up thugs with fully-automatic rifles and handguns, aliens with futuristic equipment, robots, hordes of ninjas, and box with Batman himself? Ali cannot replicate a single feat that Ted has in his resume other than being his inconsistent feat of being beat up by thugs. Ted wasn't on Croc's level physically, but Ali is nowhere in Ted's league either. You also seem to forget that Wildcat's gloves have metal spikes on them (even without Waylon would have lost considering his job record). You're literally making the argument that just because both Ted and Ali are skilled boxers, dodge, and punch, that he would beat Croc. Are you kidding me? So you're saying that anyone in a boxing gym could defeat Croc because they are "skilled", dodge, and punch? C'mon now. This is getting ridiculous.
You posted scans of Killer Croc being handle by evasion and hand strikes from a Elite Boxer... that's what Ali is. Ali could do the same thing... Ali doesn't have to take on armed goons to beat Killer Croc... just evade and elbow. Well technically when Ali was apart of the comic book universe... and when he was one the few occasions... he beat up Superman and he was handling Ted Grant ( your boy ) so I don't think he is just a normal human even in the eyes of comic book writers.
You're assuming Ali is anymore in Ted's league. Again, Muhammad cannot replicate any of Ted's feats. Yet again you make the vague connection of "elite boxer", and "they're both human". If Ali cannot take on arm goons, he's not superhuman OR skilled enough to take on Killer Croc. He's not fast, strong, durable, or skilled enough to even beat some thugs with handguns. What makes you think he'll beat Croc, someone who has shrugged off shotgun bullets and ripped apart armed SWAT Members like they were nothing? Even if you make the incredibly weak argument that Ali will somehow evade and punch someone that is faster and more durable than him, you haven't even backed said argument with evidence, footage, or stats. If Ali has trouble with single boxers in matches, he's going to be stomped by Croc. It's plain and simple, but since you love Ali so much, you are deluding yourself into thinking he has a chance in a fight. Ali is awesome. He's one of boxing's greatest champions, and I have respect for the dude. However, he has NO chance in defeating Waylon. He beat up Superman, who was not skilled at all at the time. Even if he was skilled, all he knew was some pressure point techniques, which are prohibited in a boxing competition. Handling Ted Grant? Why don't you look at the scans again and say that with a serious face. Ali (your boy) lost to Ted Grant from an alternate universe. Even then the New Frontier Grant was able to punch out Ultra-Humanite, who has the body of a gorilla IIRC. An average gorilla, heck, monkey, would be able to manhandle even the toughest and skilled fighters we have today. Comic book writers not treating Ali like a normal human is irrelevant because this fight isn't happening in a comic book is it? Next time you respond to this, don't brush off all the feats I stated Wildcat has accomplished, the feats I posted Killer Croc has accomplished, and how the comic book peak humans would be superhuman in real life.
Keep telling yourself Ted is a better Boxer though... I mean if that's what makes you feel better. Than so be it.
Keep telling yourself Ali is better than Wildcat or Killer Croc, both of whom have easily wrecked fodder Ali would die fighting against. I mean, if that's what makes you feel better, than so be it.
Dude, your post is lame as heck...
It's totally irrelevant who fodder Croc has killed because Ali isn't like a regular human when portrayed in comics... when he has been portrayed in comics... initially he was able to beat down Pre Crisis Superman and as an inexperience fighter he was beating the crap out of the same guy you claim he is not in league with ( Ted Grant )... it doesn't matter what feats you show for Killer Croc... as you already shown that Croc can be beaten with evasion and hand strikes... Again, what does Ali use ? Evasion and Hand Strikes... we don't have to show Ali's stats or all the feats he has as obviously he isn't a natural comic book character... BUT when he has been portrayed in comic books he always does well against his opposition including "The Superhero" aka Pre Crisis Superman when engaging in battle... so if you are asking whether or not I think Ali could beat down goons in a comic book. I would say Yes he could... just like Ted Grant or possibly even worse as the implications are he is good enough to do so when in the comic book world.
I am lost... what is the point of the Alfred posts ? Are you still bent because I said I think you are crazy for thinking Alfred would lose to Muhammad Ali ? Well stay bent because none of those scans really do anything... I mean if Ali can beat up the character you claim he is supposedly weaker than and on top of that beat down PC Superman... I would think he could handle goons and Hush too.
It seems like you are heck bent on saying Ali isn't good enough to beat anyone in the comic book realm... but when portrayed in comic books... Ali beat the greatest superhero to ever exist... that just seems like terrible logic... Ted doesn't have Superhuman Strength or Speed or Durability... if that was truly the case then why the heck was Ali at a young age able to hurt up Ted so much in a Boxing Match ? Come on son... you got to do better than this man.
What makes you think Superman wasn't that skilled at the time at fighting ? Is it only because he lost to Ali ? Because this same Superman was fighting several super villains who was skilled at fighting and winning... so I really think you need to retract your statements man. Ali lost to Grant at the end because of a good strike at the end... but the totality of the fight had Ali beating the crap out of Grant... you can see it by Grant's face... and consider that this same Ali was an inexperience one. So again, the feat is highly impressive... it also shows that you are way off about your assessment of Ali's skills and strength... as if this Ali can hold up to this version of Grant... I think Ali in his prime would crack Grant's skull based on overall assessment.
I already told you why I think Ali could beat Croc... I told you like five times already... because Ali can evade and hit Croc in the head the same way Ted did... Ted did nothing in those scans that Ali can't really do. It's like you aren't even listening to the replies anymore. I mean you went off on a tangent to show scans about Alfred... and that was a side note. You show Croc tanking some gunfire... but who cares. The character was beaten by a Elbow of Wildcat essentially. I don't see why Ali can't use an Elbow to KO Croc either.
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