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#1 Edited by dorukesin (6955 posts) - - Show Bio

vs

RULES

  • Both half-naked(not geared)
  • Post Crisis Superman vs Post Crisis Batman
  • Superman's Speed limited with cheetah's(animal) top speed,Superman's Strength Limited with Bears Strength,Healing Factor:ON,Arctic Breath,Flight,Vision Powers,Durability,Molecular Vibration etc. all powers :OFF
  • Morals:OFF,They are not in the character
  • Bloodlust:ON
  • Fighting with only fists,h2h
  • K.O is enough for the Win
  • They can't leave the ring
  • Area:Professional Boxing Ring(open area,morning,warm and sunny day)
#2 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is the obvious winner here.

#3 Posted by reaverlation (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman wins.Hopefully this goes more well than the Thor vs Wolverine match.

#4 Posted by ManInTheMountain (754 posts) - - Show Bio

BATMAN!

Cause he's BATMAN

#5 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20443 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman lost to Ali in a boxing match. Meanwhile, Batman has been trained under Wildcat, the best boxer in the DC Universe. This isn't even remotely fair.

#6 Posted by JohnnyZ256 (2625 posts) - - Show Bio

In other words, it's Batman against a Superman imposter. Never understood the point of hamstringing characters to this degree.

#7 Posted by reaverlation (17057 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20443 posts) - - Show Bio

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: That was the Silver Age wasn't it?

Yeah. Unfortunately, Superman hasn't improved much in terms of boxing since then. He's had some showings of Kryptonian martial arts and pressure point techniques, but the former isn't impressive compared to Batman's Wildcat training, and the latter was taught by Batman himself.

#9 Posted by ComicStooge (13857 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: That was the Silver Age wasn't it?

Yeah. Unfortunately, Superman hasn't improved much in terms of boxing since then. He's had some showings of Kryptonian martial arts and pressure point techniques, but the former isn't impressive compared to Batman's Wildcat training, and the latter was taught by Batman himself.

Uh, Supes was also trained by WIldcat to box.

#10 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20443 posts) - - Show Bio

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek said:

@reaverlation said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: That was the Silver Age wasn't it?

Yeah. Unfortunately, Superman hasn't improved much in terms of boxing since then. He's had some showings of Kryptonian martial arts and pressure point techniques, but the former isn't impressive compared to Batman's Wildcat training, and the latter was taught by Batman himself.

Uh, Supes was also trained by WIldcat to box.

Not to the degree that Batman was with Wildcat. Mix that in with Wayne's vastly superior hand-to-hand and martial arts knowledge, and Superman isn't walking out any less bruised than the fight with Ali.

Those are two examples from ROBIN #31 and 52 #23. I just don't see any of Superman's training holding up to Batman's own, especially considering he has a lot more experience as well.

#11 Edited by Wolfrazer (7670 posts) - - Show Bio

So Superman still has bear strength and cheetah speed according to the OP?.....Pretty sure he can win this, it's just a boxing match. Anything else Bats uses disqualifies him.

#12 Posted by dorukesin (6955 posts) - - Show Bio

superman's strength level was upgraded

#13 Posted by ComicStooge (13857 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek said:

@reaverlation said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: That was the Silver Age wasn't it?

Yeah. Unfortunately, Superman hasn't improved much in terms of boxing since then. He's had some showings of Kryptonian martial arts and pressure point techniques, but the former isn't impressive compared to Batman's Wildcat training, and the latter was taught by Batman himself.

Uh, Supes was also trained by WIldcat to box.

Not to the degree that Batman was with Wildcat. Mix that in with Wayne's vastly superior hand-to-hand and martial arts knowledge, and Superman isn't walking out any less bruised than the fight with Ali.

Those are two examples from ROBIN #31 and 52 #23. I just don't see any of Superman's training holding up to Batman's own, especially considering he has a lot more experience as well.

I wasn't debating for Supes, just point that out, man.

#14 Edited by reaverlation (17057 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20443 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: Oh okay.

@reaverlation said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: I know Batman wins just that Superman doesn't lack fighting skills that's all :)

He's alright. He doesn't display it most of the time, but he isn't completely ignorant when it comes to martial arts knowledge. Potentially, he could learn all martial arts styles in an instant similar to the fashion where he learned complex medical procedures. However, it isn't in his character, and he is nowhere near as formidable as even some of the C-List combatants of the DC Universe. I do agree with you though.

#16 Edited by Zjun_ (490 posts) - - Show Bio

People, people! Open your god**** unbiased eyes and look at the rules carefully!

Both contestants' morals are off and they are both blood lusted meaning they'll be fighting without holding back and at their peak.

Superman's Speed limited with cheetah's(animal) top speed,Superman's Strength Limited with Bears Strength,Healing Factor:ON

Next, read carefully that Superman can run circles around Batman and maul him with his bear-like-strength. And take into consideration that his healing factor is on, meaning that he'll heal from the sun's rays which lays on every space you can think of within Earth.

The only advantage Batman has here is his h2h-combat skills. Superman has a hyuuuge advantage with Cheetah's speed, a Bear's strength (which generously surpass' man's strength) and his durability (healing factor).

Superman curbs Batman's head.

#17 Posted by Cgoodness (5955 posts) - - Show Bio

Da-na-na-na-na-na-BATMAN!

#18 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20443 posts) - - Show Bio

@zjun_ said:

People, people! Open your god**** unbiased eyes and look at the rules carefully!

Both contestants' morals are off and they are both blood lusted meaning they'll be fighting without holding back and at their peak.

Both contestants morals are off, which means Batman quickly ends Superman's life with a barrage of deadly nerve strike and pressure point techniques, effecting the victim regardless of their strength, speed, or durability. If this method isn't usable due to the boxing rules, Batman knows plenty of other lethal blows.

Batman's peak is significantly better than Superman's peak considering Clark is completely featless without his Kryptonian superpowers, and at best has average durability.

Superman's Speed limited with cheetah's(animal) top speed,Superman's Strength Limited with Bears Strength,Healing Factor:ON

Next, read carefully that Superman can run circles around Batman and maul him with his bear-like-strength. And take into consideration that his healing factor is on, meaning that he'll heal from the sun's rays which lays on every space you can think of within Earth.

You're assuming that a strength of a bear and the speed of a cheetah is anywhere close to Batman's striking power and speed. C'mon now. This is comic books we're talking about. Tell me when a cheetah can easily outpace and dodge bullets and complex laser security systems, and when a bear can bend steel with ease. Heck, Batman has already straight-up defeated both a cheetah and a tiger specially trained by Catman. Superman's healing factor is irrelevant when, chances are, the boxing match is indoors, limiting the sunlight exposure, and when Batman has instantaneous killing blows. Heck, Batman already knows how to knock out superhumans non-lethally, let alone with a killing blow.

The only advantage Batman has here is his h2h-combat skills. Superman has a hyuuuge advantage with Cheetah's speed, a Bear's strength (which generously surpass' man's strength) and his durability (healing factor).

Superman curbs Batman head.

Superman is at every single disadvantage. He lacks the skill, durability, speed, and strength to hurt even a morals on Batman. Your using an ordinary man in real life to compare with Batman in a fictional, comic book universe. It just doesn't fit.

Batman stomps with absolute ease.

#19 Posted by reaverlation (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't let this turn into the other boxing match por fa?

#20 Edited by Experio (17139 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't let this turn into the other boxing match por fa?

Where's the fun if it doesn't?

#21 Posted by PhantomLantern8 (526 posts) - - Show Bio

Replace Ultraman with Superman.

#22 Posted by MonsterStomp (20302 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman kills Superman.

#23 Edited by reaverlation (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: Well both threads should be obvious as both Batman and Wolverine would win against Superman and Thor

#24 Edited by Immortal777 (7735 posts) - - Show Bio

If Batman wins he'll have a hard time doing it since Superman still has his HF.

#25 Posted by Wolfrazer (7670 posts) - - Show Bio

Even with his powers off..Superman is still Kryptonian, so wouldn't his durability baseline still be higher than that of a human?

#26 Posted by Experio (17139 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: While I agree that Batman wins here but Thor doesn't lose to Wolverine, both scenarios differentiate from each other in stats. Logan there has skill and striking power while Thor has his stamina and speed which will confirm him more hits therefore scoring more points while dodging at the same time without sustenance. But this match-up isn't as close as Thor and Wolverines boxing fight.

#27 Edited by Deathstroke02 (3209 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman stomps him with ease.

#28 Edited by Chibi_cute (4612 posts) - - Show Bio

Supes without his powers is just basically a piece of meat compared to batman..

And supes is notoriously known to fight like a hillbilly..

Batman rapes him in the ring michael buffer had a heart attack.

#29 Posted by ZeroPlus (2305 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm...Batman !

#30 Posted by dondave (38885 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce

#31 Edited by RogueShadow (11883 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman.

#32 Posted by Thitiki (4325 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman will be to fast and will be to hard to put down.

#33 Edited by Derrick_nolan (222 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman would still win. While batman has the advantage in hand-to-hand combat, superman still has been given cheetah speed, and the power of a bear. I don't even know if this would be close...

#34 Posted by MasterMouse (3746 posts) - - Show Bio

@derrick_nolan Strength and speed mean next to nothing when you're not good at fighting, even then Batman is stronger than a bear and faster than a Cheetah.
Bears are strong enough to push around eight hundred pound boulders, but that's about it, Cheetah's run about 120- MPH.
Batman has successfully lifted more than eight hundred pounds a few times, and has dodged bullets, which travel a nine millimeter bullet travels at six hundred eighty one miles per hour.
Batman surpasses both bear strength and Cheetah speed, and goes on to destroy Superman in the ring.

#35 Posted by Derrick_nolan (222 posts) - - Show Bio

@mastermouse: Ha batman is not as fast as a cheetah! Nor is he as strong as a bear! Plus throw in superman's healing factor. That's game...

#36 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20443 posts) - - Show Bio

@mastermouse: Ha batman is not as fast as a cheetah! Nor is he as strong as a bear! Plus throw in superman's healing factor. That's game...

This is comic books. Batman is far faster than a cheetah, and far stronger than a bear.

#37 Posted by MasterMouse (3746 posts) - - Show Bio
#38 Posted by Frozen (16142 posts) - - Show Bio

@derrick_nolan said:

@mastermouse: Ha batman is not as fast as a cheetah! Nor is he as strong as a bear! Plus throw in superman's healing factor. That's game...

This is comic books. Batman is far faster than a cheetah, and far stronger than a bear.

Yeah, he's supposed to be ''peak human'' but his strength feats go further than a bear. I wouldn't put him at the strength of a Hippo or a Rhino.

#39 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20443 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Posted by Derrick_nolan (222 posts) - - Show Bio

@mastermouse: @yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: So batman can run 120 hours per mile? This is off-topic but, when ever people mention a batman vs captain america fight why is there even an argument if batman is stronger than a bear, and can run 120 mph and dodge bullets? Hell, why is he even considered a "human?"

#41 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20443 posts) - - Show Bio

@mastermouse: @yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: So batman can run 120 hours per mile? This is off-topic but, when ever people mention a batman vs captain america fight why is there even an argument if batman is stronger than a bear, and can run 120 mph and dodge bullets? Hell, why is he even considered a "human?"

In a boxing match, travel speed is irrelevant, especially in a tight, professional boxing ring. The only thing that matters is combat-speed, and Batman has defeated a tiger and leopard on-panel before already.

#42 Posted by Derrick_nolan (222 posts) - - Show Bio

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Ok so batman and superman are about even here at strength and speed. The game-breaker then becomes superman's healing factor. Supes wins.

#43 Edited by MasterMouse (3746 posts) - - Show Bio

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Ok so batman and superman are about even here at strength and speed. The game-breaker then becomes superman's healing factor. Supes wins.

Me and comicgeek have both proven that they are not even, in this situation, Bats is both faster and stronger than Supes.
And obviously, Batman is a much better boxer, healing factor or not, Batman stomps.

#44 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20443 posts) - - Show Bio

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Ok so batman and superman are about even here at strength and speed. The game-breaker then becomes superman's healing factor. Supes wins.

Healing factor is also irrelevant if Batman is significantly more skilled and can drop Superman.

#45 Posted by Jeepeh (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
#46 Posted by Frozen (16142 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeepeh: To Superman's credit, Muhammad Ali is the greatest Heavyweight to have ever boxed. The comic was also published at a time when Muhammad Ali ruled the world.

#47 Edited by Dratini1331 (7040 posts) - - Show Bio

Both probably get DQ'd for hitting illegal areas.

@chibi_cute said:

Supes without his powers is just basically a piece of meat compared to batman..

And supes is notoriously known to fight like a hillbilly..

Batman rapes him in the ring michael buffer had a heart attack.

Only by people who don't actually know the character...

Superman is actually a highly trained fighter, and has been trained for years personally by Batman. He's not the best fighter on DC Earth, but I can make a case that batman isn't either. Batman is likely more skilled than superman, but superman is very skilled, and can potentially take down batman. Batman is the more likely winner in this scenario (assuming they don't get DQ'd for killing someone/illegal moves), but superman is definitely more skilled than many people give him credit for.

#48 Posted by King Saturn (225088 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman lost to Ali in a boxing match. Meanwhile, Batman has been trained under Wildcat, the best boxer in the DC Universe. This isn't even remotely fair.

Well it's possible Muhammad Ali could beat Ted Grant in a Boxing Match... remember, Ali beat Foreman when he was Undefeated and a Powerful Striker at the time... Ted Grant seems like Rocky Marciano in Boxing Style and Capability... but Ali could beat Rocky Marciano.

#49 Posted by OreoAssassin (6207 posts) - - Show Bio

Bats

#50 Edited by Frozen (16142 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek said:

Superman lost to Ali in a boxing match. Meanwhile, Batman has been trained under Wildcat, the best boxer in the DC Universe. This isn't even remotely fair.

Well it's possible Muhammad Ali could beat Ted Grant in a Boxing Match... remember, Ali beat Foreman when he was Undefeated and a Powerful Striker at the time... Ted Grant seems like Rocky Marciano in Boxing Style and Capability... but Ali could beat Rocky Marciano.

Muhammad Ali would destroy Rocky Marciano. It's true, that George Foreman was a formidable puncher - and probably stronger than Mike Tyson was. It really depends on which version of Ted that Ali fights.