Superman & Thor run a short villains gauntlet

Rules

• Standard morals
• Standard Gear (unless prep is given)
• Canon Knowledge
• Working together
• Healed after every round
• Win by KO death incapacitation
• Location: Indestructible earth unpopulated

Lex Luthor & Malekith w/3 hrs prep

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H'el

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Darksied (heros have 1hr to strategize, no prep)

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Gorr (heros have 1hr to strategize, no prep)

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Thanos (heros have 1 day to prep)

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Which rounds will the heroes win or lose?

Lex Luthor + Malekith - 3 hours prep:

In three hours Lex would be able to gather Kryptonite to hurt Supes and put it in his armour.

Malekith has little if any prep feats, so he would go into the battle without extra weapons/equipment etc.

To beat their foes, Thor and Supes are going to go for different partners, Thor vs Luthor/Supes vs Malekith.

Thor vs Luthor - This is going to be a piece of cake for Thor, the only reason Luthor beats up Supes in his suit is because of the Kryptonite in in. Thor has no such weakness, he could just take it apart while swatting away any attacks Luthor throws at him.

Malekith vs Supes - More tricky, since Supes has a weakness to magic. The good thing here is that Malekith's magic, while powerful, is not on the level needed to knock out the likes of Supes, in his comic, he tanked a shot of Magic from some entity and only passed out, so he's going to tank Malekith's shots (not all of them obviously) and he's going to knock Malekith out.

H'el

Pretty sure that they could beat him. He's stronger, faster and has more power than Supes, yet Supes was still able to duke it out with him, with Thor in the mix, it's a clear victory. Thor can negate most of H'el's powers such as Molecule Manipulation, Telekenesis (not so sure on this one) and Invisibility. He can absorb the solar cells in H'el, as Supes would have filled him in on them.

Darkseid

I could argue that they could beat this guy, Thor was taking on Gorr, someone who makes Darkseid look insignificant, and with Supes flying around Lasering Darkseid, keeping him distracted and off balance while slightly injuring him with each punch, Thor would have time to hit him with the full might of Mjolnir, i'm talking Lorn Bolts, Godblasts etc. And Mjolnir could tank the Omega beams, Thor could too if he wanted.

Gorr

Tough one, if It,s Gorr at his final power level, Thor and Supes lose hard, someone withodin level power, plus two Thor's was not able to defeat him.

Thanos

With prep I don't know, so i'll give my two cents about if there was no prep.

We all saw infinity, how Thor was going toe to toe with Thanos, making him bleed, bleeding but not being able to finish it. With Supes here, you'll get that same scenario, just slightly warped. Thor and Supes are going to share the pain, so it will take twice as long for Thanos to beat both, which won't happen, Thor and Supes are going to do what they did to Darkseid, Supes provideds a brilliant distraction that poses great threat to Thanos while Thor bashes him and does one of his uber moves.

Possibly stop at Darkseid, definitely stop at Gorr.

Stop at Gorr

gorr

Why's Thanos above Gorr?

Hasn't he been jobbing lately?

Stops at Ds, Gorr kills them.

They can beat Thanos though.

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Stops at the Butcher

Stops at Gorr

I don't see them getting past gorr or thanos

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Stops at Gorr

Malekith and Luthor lose because of Luthor.

I think they should beat HE'L for obvious reasons.

They beat Darkseid.

I'm not sure about Thor

They COULD beat Thanos, in theory. But because of preparation, Thanos could possibly solo.

Thanos doesn't have prep that would be excessively one sided. Heroes as in Superman & Thor have prep.

How the hell are they beating H'el when H'el already made Superman his pretty little girlfriend (Reference) easily?

@the_last_kryptonian: Jobbing lately ? No, heck he was wanted beyond belief in his last issue. Heck the second last issue even men tensions the fact that Ego defeated Galaxy us and Odin but when he tried to take on Thanks physically he failed.

Ego , whose mere smile was said to be as big as a solar system could only stalemate Thanos and had to send him away fearing his life.

Thanos a god up there listening shows Thanos in best light imaginable.

No way they get past Gorr

Bump.

@reaverlation: Because Thor is a better partner than Wonder woman?

@experio: Because New 52 Superman stood no chance at all against H'el, no matter who he was with. The smallest second the fight starts, he holds back Superman telekinetically while he unleashes on Thor.When he finishes Thor, Superman joins Thor in a body bag

@reaverlation: Both Superman and Wonder woman were burdened when H'el telekinetically held them, had it been Thor in that position, would have called down lightning to break the grip, its been done when Doctor strange used the crimson bands of Cyttorak to squeeze Thor but were instantly shattered when he summoned his favourite element, young Thor did the same in the godbutcher storyline when Gorr had him physically useless. Having him as a partner has its benefits, the two can lay extreme damage onto him while cancelling his regular attacks.

@experio: Yeah no not at the speeds H'el can move especially since he was too fast for even Superman.Or it can be a 2 on 1 and make Superman think Thor is H'el and have Superman easily rough him up.Win or lose between Superman or Thor, if Thor won, he'd be in no shape to take on H'el.You don't understand in that Superman is almost a non-factor against H'el in this situation. H'el was pulling a Thanos and was just brushing off Superman aside.This is basically H'el vs Thor and Thor ain't winning

Stops at Gorr

Also is it just me or is the picture of the 3 Thor's together make's him look like one of the Planet of the Apes?? (His face I mean)

@reaverlation: Combat speed =/= traverse speed, H'el can't outrun a bolt but averagely react to them and they don't have to stop coming to switch techniques. Unless his shown to maintain Telepathic concentration while evading or tanking damage (presuming that H'el will be the first to attack) then Superman won't be fooled to attack his own team-mate. Superman's role is played on the offensive side even if you believe its a small one and almost a non-factor, it adds to an already established planet strike making their hits much more effective, he's contribution to striking is equal to durability and stamina, H'el wouldn't be able to distinguish them before the other way around.

@experio: Yes you're gonna tell me the difference between travel and reaction speed when, reaction wise, Superman couldn't keep up with H'el so Thor has no chance at all.Superman has no chance against H'el no matter how hard you try to make him seem like a factor.Tell me why Clark won't be fooled by H'el's illusions.Tell me how at the start at the battle that H'el can easily teleport Superman to Jupiter and on his way back, H'el would've went to town on Thor already. Or how H'el can make himself completely invisible to his opponents to where they can't see him and can still win this in the plethora of ways I've been laying down

@reaverlation: I'm telling you the difference between traverse speed and reaction speed not comparison between travel and reaction. Traverse speed isn't the same as travel speed which is known to build much more momentum on long term movements, reaction wise none of duo can and have to contend rather one utilising range attacks while the other takes advantage to attack physically when his left vulnerable or damage the same way. Already explained most those strategies but if H'el did transport Superman to Jupiter there's always the option for Thor to get him back given he can track life-force energy and open portal faster than a millisecond. If H'el does go invisible, Mjolnir can still track him under the command of being told despite Thor himself not being able to see him, the enchantment Odin placed allows the hammer to pinpoint his position and has previously been used to pinpoint Mephisto's position unknowingly. Most the powers the team possess is designed to counter most of H'els abilities, from then on the two can eventually put him down.

@experio: Thor wouldn't be able to seeing how his reaction/combat speed is abysmal to even speak of.Don't know why you're trying to make Superman seem like he's such a factor when he isn't compared to H'el.You don't realize that with simple hits, H'el was flooring Superman and leaving him stark helpless to do anything. With basically a wave of his hand, Superman, Diana, and Superboy were helpless to do anything against him.This team's only hope is if Thor can manage a hit on H'el which is highly unlikely due to H'el's own impressive speed that is faster than Superman's and the use of his teleportation seeing how H'el already shrugged off Superman's strongest hits.Superman has no counters for H'el's versatility but apparently he does according to you so tell me:what are they? Teleport Superman to Jupiter. Now H'el unleashes on Thor.Before Superman intervenes:Boom back to Jupiter Clark goes.Once Thor is finished, due to Thor's horrendous reaction speed, Superman is finished as well

@reaverlation: Its sufficient enough to handle a long range attacks and defensively protect, not making Superman seem like 'such' a factor, only making him out to be a factor in his own right added to the advantages his team-mate brings to the table, overally he would then be useful. Wonder Woman and Super-boy don't have durability on par with Thor and Superman nor did they have the striking and versatility the magical hammer infused with Odinforce provides in this battle, and as the mentioned benefits includes a counter for the teleportation and invisibility. The power of Supermans I was referring to is heav-vision - against his telekinetic effect. The two would never be separated for the battle to be left either Superman vs H'el or Thor vs H'el, one of them alone falls below the margin to take the majority but with one having close stats while the other doubles the attributes along wuth counter attacks, its a highly possible victory.

@experio: What long range attacks? H'el can close the gap between him and Superman before Superman can react. He can still force Superman on to his side by making him think Thor is H'el.Or with a wave of his hand, have Superman stark helpless while he takes care of Thor.Or send Superman to Jupiter while he handles Thor.Or etc.Superman has no advantage over H'el to where he's useful. H'el would get a 10/10 against Superman alone. Thor just provides the versatility Superman needs but won't use due to how Thor normally fights.Thor's dreaded speed and his typical method of fighting will be his downfall against H'el and Superman won't be as much help.H'el wins this 8-9/10

@reaverlation: I've already provided ways on how those strategies can be countered, and again, if H'el does send Superman to Jupiter, Thor would instantly open a portal to retrieve him. And because he doesn't regularly utilize his versatility, doesn't by mean it wouldnt be used here, his always used Mjolnir's magic at times its required and almost to mandatory instances, for example, when Surfer or Hyperion shoot their cosmic bolt and Heat vision at him, he creates a whirling spear, absorb or re-direct the energy simply because the circumstances called for it. The situation is equal here. H'el turns invisible then Thor will be inclined to command the hammer to find him, he transports Superman elsewhere then a portal will be opened for his return, he traps them telekinetically then lightning will be summoned etc. The advantages and counter measurements are largely on their side to say they'll win.

H'el or Darkseid

@experio: No they aren't because of Thor's snail pace.If H'el is too fast for Superman, what makes you think Thor can employ any of those tactics? Will these counters work for Superman? Because they won't seeing how he couldn't when they were used on him.H'el isn't Surfer or Hyperion so why would he try to use these types of attacks on H'el? Notice how my entire focus has been on Superman all along? Tell me how Superman would counter any of those to the illusions, invisibility, TK, etc.? Thor can't employ them at speeds that rival H'el.Thor will not win this alone when Superman can easily be out of the picture. Or if H'el teleported Thor out of the way and by the time Thor gets back, Superman is done for leaving Thor to defend for himself. You're riding too hard on Thor to employ any of these tactics when he's way too slow to compete with H'el.

@reaverlation: Because the tactics involves his range attacks not him physically moving and one of them reacting faster than traverse speed, Surfer and Hyperion were an example as means to show that when the situation calls for it that Thor's signature moves won't be the only technique utilized. H'els versatility is what triggers Thor to use these types of defensive and offensive attacks otherwise it would be lightning and smashing all day, and Superman won't be countering any of those, Thor will. Which is why I stated Superman can benefit more from Thor than he could Wonder Woman or Super-boy, and in this battle only adds to the advantages, Clark's only role is attacking offensively which he'll have time to do once a few variables have been delt with, involves countering the invisibility which doesn't take long to employ. And despite what you think of Thor's slow movement, you can't really tell me Mjolnir's velocity and Thor's perception is slower than H'el's, both which are needed to put the action into play.

@experio: No Superman won't. What can't you understand about that? H'el knows exactly what Superman is capable of so why try to let Superman engage him (like it would have any effect)?Superman is powerless to any effect to H'el other than being an eyesore to H'el.You realize once Superman is outta the equation that Thor is done for? Or will you say Thor can solo? Because I have made it perfectly clear how easy Superman can be dealt with by H'el just waving his hand at Clark.And I can say how slow Thor is, especially when his speed is comparable to that of Danny Rand

@reaverlation: Because it's not one on one, H'el can stomp Superman all he wants but with Thor the effects are almost tripled. H'el tanked punches that were felt from the watch-tower but cannot do so with those hits plus planet shattering strikes continuously, you've made it clear that H'el dispatched Clark with little effort, I've provided reasons why that wouldn't occur. You believe Superman is almost a none factor, fair enough, I see him playing a larger role rather than just watch from Jupiter.

@experio: I've said already that H'el would feel Thor's attacks (who wouldn't?!) but it won't happen due to the possibility of connecting is unlikely. Thor of course provides more than Superboy and Wonder Woman but it won't be enough due to H'el being that powerful. Superman can easily be brushed aside, making this H'el vs Thor. H'el can handily take 8/10 in this battle. These 2 aren't making it to Gorr unless they have prep

@reaverlation: His versatility are more than capable of connecting with the speed the travel in and the numbers they can be shot, the disagreement mainly lies on Superman's contribution. You with some believe it will quickly become Thor vs H'el, I believe along with a several others its a 2 on 1 and overally stop at Gorr.

@experio: Then that's the lack of knowledge others have on H'el to suggest that. But it's all cool as I believe we're done here I suppose

@reaverlation: Some of the users maybe, but guys like Patrat, New world order, Sebast allen, generator, shazam, oreoassasin etc. All have the knowledge to make an accurate judgement and are familiar with H'el (at-least most of them), if they believed he stops there then I'm sure they would have wrote it instead of Darkseid and Gorr.

@experio: I kinda doubt that. If that's true, then they're welcome to show why.Especially when H'el is a harder opponent than Darkseid

(Sigh)...exactly my point

@reaverlation: Sebat_allen has and same with me, both our answers are also similar, I'd assume so are the rest are too.

@experio: Not really. Not something Clark would do nor would H'el allow anyways seeing how easy H'el can dispatch of Clark.They'd have a better chance at Darkseid than H'el

@reaverlation: Thats how you see it, but because you strongly disagree with the majority, wouldn't necessarily mean they're wrong.

@experio: Hopefully my argument with you would've showed some insight but I guess not. Oh well then.I'm done here