Superman sucks

Superman is the lamest character ever. His initial powers were pretty weak and over the years the D-bags over at DC just kept tossing wacky gimmicks into his grab bag of super powers. Superman should lose at everything cause he's so damn lame. I've never read a Superman book that was the least bit entertaining. I got this from wikipedia:

As originally conceived and presented in his early stories, Superman's powers were relatively limited, consisting of superhuman strength that allowed him to lift a car over his head, run at amazing speeds and leap one-eighth of a mile, as well as incredibly tough skin that could be pierced by nothing less than an exploding artillery shell.[65] Siegel and Shuster compared his strength and leaping abilities to an ant and a grasshopper.[66] When making the cartoons, the Fleischer Brothers found it difficult to keep animating him leaping and requested to DC to change his ability to flying.[67] Writers gradually increased his powers to larger extents during the Silver Age, in which Superman could fly to other worlds and galaxies and even across universes with relative ease.[65] He would often fly across the solar system to stop meteors from hitting the Earth, or sometimes just to clear his head. Writers found it increasingly difficult to write Superman stories in which the character was believably challenged,[68] so DC Comics made a series of attempts to rein the character in. The most significant attempt, John Byrne's 1986 rewrite, established several hard limits on his abilities: He barely survives a nuclear blast, and his space flights are limited by how long he can hold his breath.[69] Superman's power levels have again increased since then, with Superman currently possessing enough strength to hurl a mountain, withstand nuclear blasts with ease, and survive in the vacuum of outer space without oxygen.

So you don't like him because he's changed with the times?

He's "overpowered" because he's supposed to be the best. That's part of who he is. And to fight the people he fights, and lead the group that he leads, he needs to be as powerful as he is.

Twilight Keyblader says:

"Maybe Batman."

Like hell he could. I'm sick of the "batman can take anyone with proper preparation. Bull shit. Batman is great, but is highly overrated.

Buckshot says:

"So you don't like him because he's changed with the times?"

I don't like him because he started the 'underwear on the outside' trend among the comic character community. It's sickening.

Phorqe says:

"Buckshot says:

"So you don't like him because he's changed with the times?"

I don't like him because he started the 'underwear on the outside' trend among the comic character community. It's sickening."

You know he also started the whole 'superhero' trend right? He's the icon that's associated with the start of superhero comics.

Gambler says:

"Phorqe says:

"Superman is the lamest character ever. His initial powers were pretty weak and over the years the D-bags over at DC just kept tossing wacky gimmicks into his grab bag of super powers. Superman should lose at everything cause he's so damn lame. I've never read a Superman book that was the least bit entertaining. I got this from wikipedia: As originally conceived and presented in his early stories, Superman's powers were relatively limited, consisting of superhuman strength that allowed him to lift a car over his head, run at amazing speeds and leap one-eighth of a mile, as well as incredibly tough skin that could be pierced by nothing less than an exploding artillery shell.[65] Siegel and Shuster compared his strength and leaping abilities to an ant and a grasshopper.[66] When making the cartoons, the Fleischer Brothers found it difficult to keep animating him leaping and requested to DC to change his ability to flying.[67] Writers gradually increased his powers to larger extents during the Silver Age, in which Superman could fly to other worlds and galaxies and even across universes with relative ease.[65] He would often fly across the solar system to stop meteors from hitting the Earth, or sometimes just to clear his head. Writers found it increasingly difficult to write Superman stories in which the character was believably challenged,[68] so DC Comics made a series of attempts to rein the character in. The most significant attempt, John Byrne's 1986 rewrite, established several hard limits on his abilities: He barely survives a nuclear blast, and his space flights are limited by how long he can hold his breath.[69] Superman's power levels have again increased since then, with Superman currently possessing enough strength to hurl a mountain, withstand nuclear blasts with ease, and survive in the vacuum of outer space without oxygen."

Actual, didnt they scale him back? He had unlimited power at first and they scaled him back, I could be wrong but I doubt :)"

You're talking about pre and post crisis. He was originally (WAY back in the beginning) how Phorqe described, stronger and faster and stuff, but not "Superman" yet. He got gradually more powerful until he reached his "pre-crisis" levels, where he could toss planets and sneeze out solar systems and stuff. He was weakened after Crisis on Infinite Earths and that's how he is now. He went up slowly, then down drastically.

obviously he's the first... his name's superman. Just because he's the first doesn't mean he gets to be the best. The writers should care more about interesting story than who has the biggest #&*$!

im with you phorge. at least marvel gave their characters some humanity or atleast emotional or mental flaws. superman is just too unbeleivable, he's too perfect. his only weakness is a rock that know one has and then when they find it they use it wrong, why dont they make a laser that passes through kryptonite and laser that pretty boy in 2?

Jealousy, plain and simple.

He's not the best because he was first, he's "the best" because he was created to be so, and just because you don't find his stories interesting doesn't mean that no one else does.

Prurience Man says:

"Jealousy, plain and simple."

You're right.

Prurience Man says:

"Jealousy, plain and simple."

maybe a little

Every time superman's about to die they just make up an other ability he has and say, oh he could die because now his ass releases toxic fumes or some crap like that.

As for jealousy? Yeah, I'm jealous of a fictional character... right.

Also he wasn't created to be the best, he was re written over and over for fifty years. He is a huge licensing icon so they just kept reworking him until he's just unbeatable. Then when no one was reading Superman because the stories were so damn bad they killed him off, then tried to have some lame spin offs before bringing him back. Anyone remember Electric Superman? He's a gimmick, nothing more.

as for gimmick did you know that coke made santa claus wear red and white? before then he was some dutch fella in clogs, and some other guy but i foret.

But how is that really any different than any comic character, at least at the Big Two? What do you think killing Captain America was all about? Sales, man. Sales.

The same exact sort of thing can be said, and has been here as recently as today, about Wolverine.

But that's ok if you don't like the character. Ask around, I virtually despise Cyclops.

You honestly think he wasn't created to be the best? He starts out as a guy who is stronger and faster and better than everyone else. The best right? And every time challenges come up, he gets stronger and faster and gains more abilities. Sounds like he's being upgraded so he stays the best. Doesn't that make sense?

If you really didn't like him though, why would your first post here be one that makes him the topic of discussion? Why don't you just talk about someone you do like?

agreed, cyclops sucks.

Phorqe says:

"agreed, cyclops sucks."

See, I knew we could agree on something. Welcome to the Vine.

ha i'll be damned! those superman lovers tricked us into making this a cyclops sucks thread! damned if i know how they do it?

Buckshot says:

"You honestly think he wasn't created to be the best? He starts out as a guy who is stronger and faster and better than *everyone* else. The best right? And every time challenges come up, he gets stronger and faster and gains more abilities. Sounds like he's being upgraded so he *stays* the best. Doesn't that make sense?If you really didn't like him though, why would your first post here be one that makes him the topic of discussion? Why don't you just talk about someone you do like?"

Because Superman's #1 on everything. It's pretty annoying. I don't believe he's stronger than the hulk

oh no he said hulk!

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"Superman is great, without him there'd be no comic industry as we know it. If you don't like him as a character, fine, but at least get some facts. Superman is **NOT** perfect, nor is he the most powerful character in the DCU. He hasn't been written any *new* powers in decades, any power he has now, he had in the seventies. He's made mistakes. In the run up to infinite crisis he really began to doubt himself and lose public trust.Not every fictional character exists for you to relate to personally. He is *supposed* to be a mythical champion in the mold of Thor or Heracles. When he was written, he was supposed to be a champion of the oppressed in 30s America. Like all heroes, he goes through his trials (physical, emotional etc), that is what is entertaining and inspiring about him. In many fights, he could just tear his opponent in half, but finding another way is a message we could all benefit from.I feel sad for you if you can't understand what he is, because you miss what makes him (and others like Spider-man) special."

If he is supposed to be in the mold of Thor, why is he so much more powerful than Thor?

No matter what happens, who he fights, he never friggin loses. "Superman wins! Tough Shit, deal with it."

Also, just because he was first doesn't mean there would be no comic industry without him. Superman wasn't the first comic, just the first superhero. I'm sure if superman didn't come out something else would have, maybe someone that knows how to wear their underwear properly.

No new powers? How about turning into electricity? Also, he has a new finishing move:

Post Edited:2007-05-19 12:29:11

Prurience Man says:

"Ask around, I virtually despise Cyclops."

Virtually? I was under the impression that contempt you felt for Cyclops

NiteFly says:

"Prurience Man says:

"Ask around, I virtually despise Cyclops."

Virtually? I was under the impression that contempt you felt for Cyclops "

Your sentence cut off there, but I think I understand where you were going. I say "virtual" because he's a fictional character. How real can my hatred really be? I reserve true hatred for real life issues. My hatred for Cyclops is purely tongue-in-cheek, and it's true value is only as a conversation piece among fellow comic book readers. That's why I'm not in this thread going:

"SUPERMAN ROCKS! ALL YOU HATERZ CAN SUCK IT!"

If I start to get that wrapped up in caring about fictional characters, then I need professional psychiatric help.

Post Edited:2007-05-19 14:08:02

ScoodleDaddle says:

"Hasn't this been done before?Read Kurt Busiek's current run on Superman without a bias, and tell me you aren't the least bit entertained."

Then I would break my vow to never buy another Superman comic.

ScoodleDaddle says:

"No, actually, tons of toolboxes declare that they think Superman sucks quite often. In fact, more people dislike him than like him. So this actually puts you guys (Phorge, etc...) in the majority, therefore making you conformists.HA!"

That's a Q not a G in my name, recognize.