Superman, Silver Surfer, Martian Manhunter vs Flash, Thor, Hal

team 1 wins easily.
Want logic?
Not only they have better fighters, they have the better strategist as well. martian manhunter would be the one to make good use of that one day prep. Another thing is no moral which means surfer destroys the planet which screws flash and only lives the lantern. and Thor. At this point they'll lose

"Surfer beats Flash in a close match. Thor beats Manhunter in a very close fight. Even IF Manhunter can bring Thor into the astral realm, Thor has an immortal soul (astral body = soul) and Thor can travel between the plains of reality (He did it in astonishing Thor) Superman during mid battle will most likely try to race to the sun if he found out that he needs to in order to win. "

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                    @Susanoo:  So you think the team 2 wins ?

                   

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remember this battles will end up in space even if it starts on a planet so there is no flash lol

P owers - Superhuman Strength
class 100+ (Can lift Sextillions of tons and close Dimensional Rifts),
Superhuman Speed (270,000+ MPH), Superhuman Agility, Superhuman
Reflexes (Nanosecond Reaction Speed), Superhuman Stamina (Can
fight for Months without Tiring), Super Hearing, Advanced Healing
Factor, Longetivity, Invulnerability, Superbreath (Can blow
hurricane-like winds), Warriors Madness (Thor’s Strength
Increases tenfold), Geokinesis, Weather Manipulation (Can Control
Winds from 1000 Worlds, Rain, Temperature, Atmosphere, Ocean Currents, Cosmic
Storms, Thunder, and summon 1,000,000x amped Lightning), Lightning and
Electrical Manipulation, Can travel in and out of the Universe and between
Plains of Reality, Energy Projection, God Blast (Can kill Immortals)

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                    @Susanoo:  I want this prep to be just planning and to devise the plan, no getting extra powers or equipment just give them a chance to work together

                   

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                    remember this battles will end up in space even if it starts on a planet so there is no flash lol

                   

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" remember this battles will end up in space even if it starts on a planet so there is no flash lol "

" @Fire Star: Actually, I think Thor's physically on par with MM not including shapeshifting and Warrior's madness. Feats with the Midgard serpent, Neutron star, and armwrestling Herc. And also, in battle forums, we debate within character's powerset and such so these abilities usually are allowed depending on their morals. Which are turned off btw. "

By the way people, Flash has ran in space before.  Besides, like Johnny and Jesse Quick, he could fly if he felt like it.

Team 1 wins.

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                    @Susanoo said:

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                    @Fire Star: Actually, I think Thor's physically on par with MM not including shapeshifting and Warrior's madness. Feats with the Midgard serpent, Neutron star, and armwrestling Herc. And also, in battle forums, we debate within character's powerset and such so these abilities usually are allowed depending on their morals. Which are turned off btw.

                   

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Half of those abilities won't come into play in a battle though. I don't think he would summon the dead, negate magic, or disrupt machines in this. : / Physically, J'onn and Thor are about the same. That's the best way to put it.

                   

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                    @Susanoo said:  Team 1 still wins though.  

                   

                 Agreed.  SS>>Flash or Thor or Hal MM> Thor or Hal Supes could lose to all 3 or defeat any of the 3

                   

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" @Fire Star: Actually, I think Thor's physically on par with MM not including shapeshifting and Warrior's madness. Feats with the Midgard serpent, Neutron star, and armwrestling Herc. And also, in battle forums, we debate within character's powerset and such so these abilities usually are allowed depending on their morals. Which are turned off btw. "

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                    Flash is the weak link here. If morals were on it would be a different story,  maybe, but without them team one stomps.

                   

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Even IF Manhunter can bring Thor into the astral realm, Thor has an immortal soul (astral body = soul) and Thor can travel between the plains of reality (He did it in astonishing Thor)   

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                    @Susanoo said:

Even IF Manhunter can bring Thor into the astral realm, Thor has an immortal soul (astral body = soul) and Thor can travel between the plains of reality (He did it in astonishing Thor)   

You talk about dragging Thor to the astral plane as if that is J'onn's only telepathic application. He could give Thor a seizure, put him into a coma, induce sleep, shut off his mind, project every mind on earth into his mind, cause mental trauma, mind wipe him, create a mental suggestion that causes Thor to believe he died, generate illusions, etc., all of these things he has used before. Astral combat is not nearly the only ability at his disposal.

                   

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                    @Susanoo said:

Even IF Manhunter can bring Thor into the astral realm, Thor has an immortal soul (astral body = soul) and Thor can travel between the plains of reality (He did it in astonishing Thor)   

You talk about dragging Thor to the astral plane as if that is J'onn's only telepathic application. He could give Thor a seizure, put him into a coma, induce sleep, shut off his mind, project every mind on earth into his mind, cause mental trauma, mind wipe him, create a mental suggestion that causes Thor to believe he died, generate illusions, etc., all of these things he has used before. Astral combat is not nearly the only ability at his disposal.

                   

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Can Thor really go into a coma or have a mental trauma though? Him being a godling of an elder goddess and the monarch of Asgard grants him vast resistance towards telepathy apparently like against Moondragon and the sort. Also, Thor went against Glory with psychic attacks that ate away his soul, mind, and body however, he didn't traumatize over this nor go into shock when in theory, it should. Has MM ever done this stuff to character's on the Herald level though? Like Supes? "

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                    @Susanoo said:

" @Silver2467 said:

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                     @Susanoo said:

Even IF Manhunter can bring Thor into the astral realm, Thor has an immortal soul (astral body = soul) and Thor can travel between the plains of reality (He did it in astonishing Thor)   

You talk about dragging Thor to the astral plane as if that is J'onn's only telepathic application. He could give Thor a seizure, put him into a coma, induce sleep, shut off his mind, project every mind on earth into his mind, cause mental trauma, mind wipe him, create a mental suggestion that causes Thor to believe he died, generate illusions, etc., all of these things he has used before. Astral combat is not nearly the only ability at his disposal.

                   

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Can Thor really go into a coma or have a mental trauma though? Him being a godling of an elder goddess and the monarch of Asgard grants him vast resistance towards telepathy apparently like against Moondragon and the sort. Also, Thor went against Glory with psychic attacks that ate away his soul, mind, and body however, he didn't traumatize over this nor go into shock when in theory, it should. Has MM ever done this stuff to character's on the Herald level though? Like Supes?

                   

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It really is not on me to prove he can be put into a coma or undergo mental trauma; you would have to prove he can't. Thor has resisted mind control, possession, and a few other forms of telepathy. The reason I neglected to mention some of J'onn's abilities, such as mind control or empathetic manipulation, is because Thor has withstood them, and I would rather just not open that discussion because most of it would become a comparison between telepaths and eventually wane into semantics. The Manhunter has influenced Superman and the rest of the JLA's minds more than once, but he has also affected characters with far more telepathic resistance than Clark has and other telepaths. As an example of the Martian's mental powers against gods, he telepathically kept the god Vishnu to sleep. But to be honest, having status as a god is just a title in comics that I hardly regard with any credence. It is not in itself a feat, nor does it intrinsically imply any higher order of power. There are just as many lower level gods in comics as there are higher level ones. Thor has mental resistances, but he has not resisted every form of telepathy that J'onn possesses. Now, if Thor had innate telepathic shields, then I would consider the possibility of him remaining unaffected by any form of telepathy, assuming, of course, that his shields were potent enough to do so. But generally, Thor simply resists having his mind affected by willpower or basic mental deterrence, not actual mentally-implanted shields like what telepaths have. He just has a powerful mind. Having said that, just because Thor can resist mind control or soul manipulation (which the Martian also has) does not mean he can automatically resist any number of the telepathic applications I listed above. 

                   

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Being a god in comics for Thor did grant him the ability to travel between the plains of reality, in his physical or corporeal form and jump out of the universe.  

The problem is however, when Manhunter did his telepathy on Adam, pis happened.   

Also, being a godling of 2 gods of the stature of Odin and Gaia does grant him quite a bit of protection as skyfather's like them aren't really affected by mind attacks. Anyways, I just needed to see what Manhunter did with his telepathy. "

 Plus, Thor doesn't have the physical stats to compete with MM. "

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                    @Fire Star said:

 Plus, Thor doesn't have the physical stats to compete with MM.

                   

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or surfer or supes...hes the weak link on team 2....

                   

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Um Thor is physically stronger than Surfer and on par with Supes. He isn't a weak link

@Silver2467: The whole point of transdimensional travel is that it resulted from Thor's godhood and that it can be used to escape the astral battle.   

I'm asking to see if MM affected anyone like Thor. Thank you for the info btw. "

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                    @Susanoo said: 

@Silver2467: The whole point of transdimensional travel is that it resulted from Thor's godhood and that it can be used to escape the astral battle.   

I see. 
 

I'm asking to see if MM affected anyone like Thor. Thank you for the info btw.

                   

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Not exactly sure what you mean by "like Thor," but he has created illusions against the Secret Society that caused all of them to believe they were in pain resulting from being attacked by their respective hero/nemesis. J'onn did this while his powers were weakened, and Grodd, another telepath, was in the roster he did this to. He has put White Martians into comas before. He beat his brother in astral combat without effort. He put himself and the JLA to sleep. His telepathy was used to mind control the JLA, including Aquaman and Plastic Man. He has given a team of enemies a seizure. He has mind controlled four or five White Martians simultaneously. He dragged the Spectre and the JLA to the astral plane. He gathered and projected the minds of everyone on earth into D'Kay's mind while he and D'Kay were on Mars. He temporarily made the Joker sane while Joker had the Philosopher's Stone. He telepathically put Vishnu to sleep.   Maybe these will answer your question. But again, I am not completely sure I follow what you mean by "like Thor."

                   

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Um Thor is physically stronger than Surfer and on par with Supes. He isn't a weak link

no he's not......Hal and Flash cold both beat him to.....

                   

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" @Fire Star: 

P owers - Superhuman Strength
class 100+ (Can lift Sextillions of tons and close Dimensional Rifts),
Superhuman Speed (270,000+ MPH), Superhuman Agility, Superhuman
Reflexes (Nanosecond Reaction Speed), Superhuman Stamina (Can
fight for Months without Tiring), Super Hearing, Advanced Healing
Factor, Longetivity, Invulnerability, Superbreath (Can blow
hurricane-like winds), Warriors Madness (Thor’s Strength
Increases tenfold), Geokinesis, Weather Manipulation (Can Control
Winds from 1000 Worlds, Rain, Temperature, Atmosphere, Ocean Currents, Cosmic
Storms, Thunder, and summon 1,000,000x amped Lightning), Lightning and
Electrical Manipulation, Can travel in and out of the Universe and between
Plains of Reality, Energy Projection, God Blast (Can kill Immortals)

Magic/Mjolnir – Can
revert between Donald Blake and Thor, Only those Worthy can Lift Mjolnir,
Mjolnir always returns to Thor, Mjolnir moves wherever Thor wills it to, Can
track Beings across the Universe, Can Heal Beings, Flight (Billions of
Times FTL), Telekinesis, Teleportation (Teleports Thor or other
beings across the Universe/Dimensions), Can Summon the Dead, Can Negate
Magic, Can Strip beings of their Enchantments/Immortal Life force,
Invisibility, Intangilibility, Can strike Intangible Beings, Mass Mind Control,
Can Transcend Time and Space, Can create Forcefields, Can Open Dimensional
Rifts, Transmutation of Elements , Can Absorb limitless Energies, Can reverse
Polarities (Amplifies it a Hundredfold and sends it back), Can
Control the Elements, Controls Magnetism, Can shut down all Technology on the
Planet, Weather Manipulation, Lightning and Electrical Manipulation, Can
Produce Solar Flares/Thermoblast (1000x hotter than the Sun), CanCreate/Control Anti-Matter, Can create Alpha Particles to DisableMachines/Technology at the Sub-Atomic Level, Anti-Gravity, Anti-Force, TimeManipulation, Contains the Odin Force  Thor has more powers and variety. Also, he has high telepathic resistance and IF MM can bring him into the astral plain, Thor has an immortal soul and he can travel between plains of reality in his coporeal or physical state. "

" Team 1 wins. "

Team 1. 
With Martian Manhunter and Superman its like double trouble.

" @bag_o_x_men: actually thor is normally shown to be effected by telepathy its when he gets enraged or such that he starts resisting "

Team 1 got this

I meant as in league with Thor like herald level. 

Thanks for the info btw.   

Can you tell me how MM got his powers?   

Hard battle. Many possibilities.
Hmmm...
 
Surfer will boost Superman with power of Sun. Then he will amp himself with power of another star. Thanks to matter manipulation he will make an adamantium armors for him and his teammates.  Surfer will make a wall of defence by energy of another star. Surfer and MM is strating to be invisible and intangible. Surfer also cover himself by energy and matter manipulation.
 
Hal will create armors for his teammates and make something that will allow Flash to fly and use his speed in air.
Thor will drian some star and charge God Blast. Hal will make wall by his energy manipulation.
 
Battle starts:
Thor see only Superman and put him down by GB.
Flash thanks to ability to fly starts to look for enemies. He finds Martian and put him down.
Surfer attacks Flash by TP and takes him down. He one-shot Hal with his star boosted powers. 
 
Then we have Thor vs. Surfer. Thor could BFR him, but he don't know where Surfer is. Surfer is stomping Thor like he did to BRB.
 
Team 1 wins, but barely.