superman runs the justice league gauntlet

@pokeysteve: I've been provided with an instance to which Wonder Woman was flat out beaten when Superman got serious. It debunks the myth of ''Wonder Woman always beating Superman'' that you've somehow chalked up

In the context we refer to, combat is fighting. And again, these are flimsy analogies you are chalking up. Characters can fly at each other and blitz into each other. As I've provided an example in spoiler block. ''You know I am right'' seems that you are refusing to concede.

It makes no sense that he's in the air, then comes down and then goes back up. He was on the ground, she was in the air and he's using his speed to catch her. He's moving his hand at speed. Yes, I have read Trinity War --- Wonder Woman was not some dumb, angry beast. She had her morals removed. She clearly referenced the events of Superman and Shazam's encounter rather well.

You should see the scan I posted on the next page, rather interesting.

@frozen: Which scan because I saw numerous lol...

The one with Superman and Wonder Woman.

@frozen: I saw it.Clark>Diana but does this mean that Clark would beat the characters I said or um...

@frozen: This is from JLA a league of one which is NOT CANON

@frozen: You are stilling failing to understand that WW used travel speed to tackle Supergirl, regardless of whether it is combat, the point still stands that using travel speed in combat does not equate to combat speed. WW tackled Supergirl by flying straight at her from a distance, this is travel speed. Using travel speed in combat doesn't make it combat speed. Combat speed is ONLY blocking, dodging, deflecting, , punching and reacting. As WW did none of these, it was not combat speed, it was travel speed in a combat scenario.

The only thing that is flimsy is your rebuttal or lack of it.

You are still not seeing that everything in the scan shows him moving towards her.

I know it. A League of One which I believe is non-canon. That scan was popular a few years ago.

Actually, no. It's directly referenced in JLA; Vol 3, when DC stories had the Elseworlds logo. @saren pointed this out.

Haha, so Diana even flat out admitted it, eh?

Pre 52 it stops at Aquamans but only because of his TP and AM is in the water where he is extremely fast. The water hand is a big advantage as well as the trident with better proven feats.

New 52 rocks until Flash.

It's canon, as pointed out to you on the other thread.

I've told you a number of times yet you do not listen. I also provided you with evidence, yet again you ignored such. You don't know what combat is.

Yes, I am. What you're saying makes no sense; all he does is grab and punch her at superspeed, she's blitzing towards him.

Lol, yeah. And it's canon. It was referenced in canon continuity and was not billed as Elseworlds. It confirms my theory that she can't beat him without kryptonite or other aid, and honestly knocks her down a peg or two in what I thought Wonder Woman was capable of.

Let's assume it had been mentioned, her beating/matching him on 4 different occasions takes precedence over ONE instance of character statement lol good lord hahahaha.

I'd love a scan of that reference too, for the future.

Since when MMH > Wally.

@dorukesin: ha i fucking knew there was something more to that scan i kept asking the same thing but i have never read that book or saw that part of the scan.

in tier i see batman and superman being the top guys i feel if they did this it would come down to these 2 in the end even if batman has to win by pis i think most writers would have that at the end.

in true power superman beats them all except flash and manhunter has a good chance but i would give superman the majority.

supes beats flash unless it's wally and if wally was in character he would beat him as well but in this case flash wins manhunter has the powerset to win but i still give clark the majority .

everyone else dies quickly.

@agent41: they all have good feats against each other batman has a decent track record against most of the league but superman more times then not will beat either of them he is clearly stronger and faster and while still holding back has broken gl constructs fairly easily.

New 52 Superman stops at round 2, Pre 52 stops at round 6.

@comic_book_fan: Kyle,J'onn,and Wally would single handily beat Superman in straight combat

@reaverlation: no they wouldn't wally might beat him manhunter has a shot but is still the underdog.

and kyle has the means to win but would never get the chance.

@comic_book_fan: Speed steal(wally),TP(J'onn) and kryptonite(Kyle).

@reaverlation: wally would win but a no bs superman would blitz manhunter before he could phaze or use his tp and either lobotomize him or knock him out and breaks through kyles shields and turns him to green paste or just hit him before he could raise his shield.

@agent41: actually,hate to say it due to Diana going down a peg like @frozen said,but Diana would lose to Clark and I already put Kyle over Diana. I also think Kyle beats Clark too

@comic_book_fan: J'onn already took down Clark and Clark already admitted of being afraid of fighting J'onn in open combat. Clark won't break Kyle's constructs with ease and Kyle isn't slow as he's been able to react to a ship going 7 times the speed of light. Kyle can just shoot kryptonite at Clark or BFR him to a Red Sun.

Stops at 2.

Bat always carry a green kryptonite in his belt, not to mention he have a suit out of kryptonite.

@reaverlation: he was saying he would hate to fight manhunter because he is one of the most powerful beings on the planet not that he couldn't beat him.

@agent41: She can contend with him but won't take a majority over Clark

@comic_book_fan:No Clark actually admitted to being afraid of fighting J'onn.

Saren knew the instance, it was in JLA Vol 3 but sure, I'll get the scans. She's never beaten him on 4 occasions, or matched him for the matter.

Doesn't get past MM.

He tastes the dirt when he gets to Wally...

She has. I showed you the scans and you ignored them, like that narrows it down.....

No she didn't, not without help and external factors --- do you really want me to narrow down the instances where he's shown to be more powerful?

I really want you to stop replying to me if I get to choose.

He has shown to be more powerful than her more often than not. There are literally a number of instances.

Stops at 4

@pokeysteve: It's referenced in JLA: Secret Files and Origins Vol 1 #3 (December 2000). Factor in that it had no Elseworlds logo, it's canon.

stops at 6 but flash should be higher than manhunter.

@frozen: i got your back from here.

WW could not beat Superman

I've been proved that numerous times and I can do it again.Diana never beats Clark especially in the Sacriface fight

@dorukesin: The scan provided of Wonder Woman losing to Superman and then admitting she can't beat him without help is canon btw.

Clark is much faster than the speed of thought,he would take his heart before he thoughts.Also we're talking about bloodlusted Superman here,which means

I think he'll possibly stop at 4 because current White Lantern Kyle is really powerful he doesn't know what he can do but let's say he gets past him I'd say he can beat Diana but definitely stops at Wally. For this Aquaman controlling Supes.... AM ain't controlling his mind or beating him. He's not that powerful for one, and Superman isn't a fish nor animal two...lol. AM's tp isn't MMH level, not even close.

@dorukesin: dude I totally agree, but the op said AM is in the water and won't leave. AM in water is faster than any other being other than Mera, his wife.

Like I was expressing before, add his pre crisis abilities and I think he can take it. Now out of water, different story.

Also I said he runs it through the new 52 until flash. Believe me, I know how incredible Superman is.

@dorukesin: lol i really like these scans superman owning the league like i always knew he could and the dialog between him and batman only confirms my thoughts on this even more.