I'll give this to Thor for two reasons , with the belt his strength is doubled , and in warrior madness with bloodlusted is just suicide for superman I feel like , but with no hammer it can go either way depending on situations.
Thor cannot be harmed by physical attacks with the power gem.
Even without it, by having his strength amplified by 20 times, he would essentially be capable of busting 20 planets at a time with full force attacks -that's before one considers the power gem, and because the gem provides infinite stamina, this would be a never-ending attack.
@stl9997: since when has thanos ever ripped a universal armour in half and tanked a universe buster prime would oneshott Odin much less Thor also prime is immune to magic.
Stating x beats x so x win is the most flawed way of Assessing things
@pr0d1gy: Superboy Prime tanked a Galaxy Buster while Superman Prime straight up survived a Universe buster, so Thor's 20 planet busting attack wont do jack against Thor.
Prime has Universal level damage soak but he's far from having that level of offensive attack. The Destroyer can survive Celestial level attacks -several at a time, yet the Celestials can bust Universes. So it's a hilariously long stretch to say Prime would one shot Odin, when Odin's Destroyer has better durability feats than Superman Prime. @dawnone It actually proves you don't know what you're talking about.
@dawnone: Immunity to magic doesn't equal immunity to blunt force trauma, and the infinite durability isn't effecting Prime, its affecting Thor. Again, Prime can't beat or get the better of Thanos. Most would agree. Thor with the belt and the gem would come out on top with speed equalized, and the fact he matched up with Thanos gives me reason to think, with these amps, Thor would win regardless of Speed. This Thor has the belt and the gem, which would make him physically strong enough to over power Thanos with little issue, and that's enough for me to decide who would win.
@pr0d1gy: lol at you thinking il take anything you say serouisily after calling Odin multiversal so ya you saying that is meaningless espacIlly claiming prime has no universal offense ignoring the fact he ripped monarchs armour which contained the Big Bang and thanos WAs able to beat a power gem user there goes your'e immunity to physical attacks nfl after all me saying prime is immune to magic is using the same nfl crap your'e using writers themselvessaid prime is immune to magic in almost every instance while you have deduced Thor to be immune to all physical attacks over one vague statement made a years ago stop the double standard and lol by that logic rune King Thor isn't even a rock buster.
Thor both rounds, beat up more powerful with Mjolnir he can easily keep up and even blitz Superman, Striking Power and Durability is on Thor's side too.
@pr0d1gy: lol you thinking il take anything you say serouisily after calling Odin multiversal so ya you saying that is meaningless espacIlly claiming prime has no universal offense ignoring the fact he ripped monarchs armour which contained the Big Bang and thanos WAs able to beat a power gem user there goes your'e immunity to physical attacks nfl after all me saying prime is immune to magic is using the bases nfl crap your'e using writers themselvessaid prime is immune to magic in almost every instance while you have deduced thlr be immune to all physical attracts over one vague statement made a years ago stop the double standard and lol by that logic rune King Thor isn't even a rock buster.
Feats & statements discredit your bias.
Tearing at and busting a multiverse are two completely different things.
The Power Gem is too big of an amp for Superman Prime to overcome. Unless, the stipulation is such that Prime is allowed to take the said power gem away from Thor. Without that, I am unsure to how Prime would really do anything to Thor.
@stl9997: feats of thanos doing anything on primes level just saying thanos wins is meaningless. What kind of explanation is that just stating x beats this is meaningless back it up with feats.
No one has actually showed feats of the power gem tanking universal punches stop the nfl crap seeing as how prime is immune to magic Thor can't hurt him either if you wish to go that route.
@pr0d1gy: For the record not everything mentioned here is accurate, friend, Thanos has never beaten anyone with the power gem. The two power gem users Thanos has fought include Champion where he outright admitted he was helpless against him and tricked him to blow up the planet he was standing on. Since Champion was stuck in space with nowhere to go he gave Thanos the power gem in exchange of the Thanos taking him to a different planet.
The second encounter was against Thor with power gem, a fight Thanos knew he couldn't win. Later, with a single move, Thor warps reality by spreading his madness nearly killing everyone there: Thanos, Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock and Dr. Strange included.
One of Odin's best counter measures to anything is his ability to summon the Destroyer Armor at will. It has several purposes, but can he animate the Armor through his own accordance and bring it to the battle-field if he so desires. Mjolnir is also under his control and he is even able to equip the Armor with the mallet. This capability in itself will make it impossible for Nathan to claim victory. He doesn't have any actual feats to put him in the league of Odin or the Armor. Yes, Odin can even have the Armor take Mjolnir from Thor -wherever he may be, and summon both the Armor (Equipped with Mjolnir) and mallet to his aid.
Feats for the Armor's capabilities and damage soak.
The durability for the Armor itself has been stated as being capable of surviving Universal Armageddon.This statement and bio from Comic-Vine -as well as feats, prove that anything short of Universal won't have an effect on the Armor. You would have to show Nate destroying something above Universal scale for him to even be within the weight of the Destroyer.
The Destroyer Armor has a consistent record of fighting and beating Thor. The only way Thor wins is the soul inside of it leaves, or he BFRs the Armor or Odin stops it. Other-wise the Armor has always bested Thor in combat. Since BFR is not available, and Odin will not stop the enchanted Armor, Nate would have to content with it and somehow destroy it without being instantly vaporized from Odin.
The Durability Of The Armor in Comparison To The Celestials...
We're going to move on to Odin's battle with the Celestials. He wore the Armor and engaged 9 named Celestials in combat. A huge stigma is that Odin was effortlessly destroyed, however Odin losing is not the point here. The point is the Armor was capable of tanking a barrage of Celestial level attacks. Odin was hit around 6-8 times before he dropped to his knees. Even then, it took the combined assault of almost the entire Fourth Host to incapacitate the Armor. It was defeated, but it wasn't Destroyed. So, Nate does not have what it takes to destroy the Armor. That much we can be certain about.
How powerful are The Celestials? Well, a Cosmic Cube is regarded as inferior to these Celestial level beings and even Cubik himself stated that he was no match for them. Odin was able to contend with nine of them all at the same time.
The Celestials are able to create an entire Universe, and are recognized as the most powerful race in the entire Marvel cosmos. They are said to be infinitely more powerful than Cosmic Cubes -who they themselves have shown feats on a trans-multiversal level. Kubik has held an entire Universe in his arm and hoped a Celestial would not judge against him. Some hosts of the Celestials have -such as the 5th host have created and destroyed a Multiverse. However Odin, was still able to contend with such a degree of power. By sheer feats alone, there is nothing Nate can do to Odin.
Galactus has shown extreme shock that Thanos was able to kill a single Celestial. Again, Odin was able to contend with 9 of them.
Arishem The Judge Is Recognized as the second most powerful Celestial -next to Exitar and was actually among the Fourth Host when they sacked Asgard.
Odin is the bearer of the Odin-Force and this along puts him in his own dimension of power in comparison to the residents of Asgard. Yes, Odin was amp'd to some degree. But that AMP had nothing to do with the Destroyer Armor's durability. Odin uses the Odin-Sword to channel the Odin-Force through. This was the purpose of that amp, not for the Armor. Some of the feats of Odin & the Armor are just awesome!!!! There is absolutely no way Nate has the firepower to put the Armor down if Odin decides to summon it.
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The Destructive Power Of The Skyfather Odin...
We'll begin this area of the discussion with Thor's own personal view on the cosmic compass of the Marvel Universe. Thor makes a clear distinction between Galactus (Well fed) and a Normal Odin -without the mystical Destroyer Armor. But goes on to put Destroyer Odin within the league of the Fourth Host and above a Well Fed Galactus. Even the writers of Marvel through the decades have specifically listed Odin & Galactus as near rivals. The Celestials were originally intended to be above the two. I do not see Nate as a being capable of being compared to a Well Fed Galactus, he's more along the lines of The Silver Surfer, or Herald level.
The Odin-Force is obviously Odin's weaponry! He can channel the mystical energy and direct it at his opponents. Old King Thor's Odin Force feat is evidence of such a scenario. Nate has absolutely no answer to Odin if he expels the Odin-Force with all it's might.
As an side effect of Odin's battle with Infinity & Set, numerous galaxies were being completely destroyer as a result of the two clashing powers. After-wards, Odin even reverse these effects and restored the Galaxies that he originally destroyed.
Conclusively, Brevoort Formspring has already concluded that Odin is a Galaxy buster.
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The Battles With Surtur ...
The destructive capabilities of Surtur are as equally as impressive as Odin's himself. Surtur has proven that he to is a Galaxy busting character by summoning an attack strong enough to destroy and entire Galaxy! This however, wasn't capable of besting Odin.
Further-more, in order to even create the Twilight-Sword -a Galaxy busting sword, equal to the Odin-Sword, Surtur had to first destroy a galaxy in order to create it. Odin has bested a creature of this magnitude. This ultimately shows just how incredible Odin truly is.
The resulting clash between Surtur & The Skyfather Odin caused all of the 9 realms to shake. This feat is simply beyond anything that Nate has the power to match.
Perhaps the most impressive feat between these two is when Surtur threatened to destroy all of the 9 realms and the Multiverse. In order to put a stop to this, Odin was used to channel this degree of power. This simply means that there is absolutely nothing Nate is capable of doing. Odin can simply channel Nate's own energy and steal it from him. Or if Odin is attack, simply absorb whatever Nate can dish out.
Odin's destructive capabilities have been explained by Strange as 'tearing at the very fabric of the Multiverse'. Odin was capable of fighting Infinity, which was a Universal threat. Further-more, the side effects of Odin's clash with Set was destroying Galaxies and igniting stars.
The most impressive thing regarding Odin's battles with Surturs, is not only their sheer magnitude, but the fact Odin has actually killed Surtur on several occasions. Yes, Surtur has killed Odin, but Odin always came back. Odin can, and always has come back to life when he pleases. So realistically, Nate cannot even put Odin down for the count.
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The Conclusion...
We have established the fact that Odin is capable of summoning the Destroyer Armor if he gets into any real trouble -or he can simply bring the Armor to the battle right off the go. As a result, Nate has no feats to determine he can output enough damage to put the Destroyer down for the count. You cannot seriously claim Nate can out-put more energy than the entire Celestial Forth Host combined. Additionally, the Armor provides Odin with the durability to engage the cosmic bodies of the Marvel Hierarchy of the highest order in physical combat. Even if Odin chose not to combat Nate with the Destroyer Armor, Odin is usually mentioned in league with the mighty Galactus. Odin also has the strength and sheer power to expel attacks strong enough to tear the Multiverse, affect every plane of reality and casually bust Galaxies as a side effect of his battles. Odin has the ability to channel enough energy that could destroy the Multiverse, through himself. This means that Nate cannot put Odin down, even if he so desired. Not only that, the battle begins at 500 meters away and Odin can expel a Odin-Force attack and one shot Nate before he has time to react. Odin can also trap Nate in his physical body and prevent him from leaving and resume to one shot him. Conclusively, when it comes to Odin vs Shaman Nate, Odin's feats are simply better, more diverse and give him a wide array of attacks that Nate simply cannot counter. Nate does not have the feats to put himself in the weight class of Odin.
@pr0d1gy: For the record not everything mentioned here is accurate, friend, Thanos has never beaten anyone with the power gem. The two power gem users Thanos has fought include Champion where he outright admitted he was helpless against him and tricked him to blow up the planet he was standing on. Since Champion was stuck in space with nowhere to go he gave Thanos the power gem in exchange of the Thanos taking him to a different planet.
The second encounter was against Thor with power gem, a fight Thanos knew he couldn't win. Later, with a single move, Thor warps reality by spreading his madness nearly killing everyone there: Thanos, Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock and Dr. Strange included.
The facts I pointed out about the Gem are true. I never said anything about Thanos except Thor not having The Belt Of Strength. So please don't put words into my mouth okay?
The facts I pointed out about the Gem are true. I never said anything about Thanos except Thor not having The Belt Of Strength. So please don't put words into my mouth okay?
Hehe you totally misunderstood what I was trying to say. If you look at post #25 the argument used against you was that Thanos has evidently defeated a power gem user in a physical combat and hence Prime could beat him too. An argument you did not directly address, I was just add to it that the claim made against you are wrong. Thanos has never beaten anyone with power gem, in fact, not even a single user of power gem has ever been defeated by physical force alone.
I wasn't saying your facts were incorrect about the gem. I was merely pointing the argument people are throwing against you are untrue.
@dawnone: Thanos has never been k.o'ed. This is the guy who fights and beats SS regularly, has held his own against and threatened to kill Galactus, has owned Hulk more than once, has held his own against Odin, made the Champion look stupid, held his own against Tyrant who is equal to Galactus but doesn't need to feed and commonly stomps teams. Thor was about to kill him.
@pr0d1gy: lol I read you're cav everything made in that cav is either out of context or can be deunked by legit and intelligent marvel readers it's pretty much x beats x so x wins or using hyperbole and clear statement made 50 years ago that the said character hasn't done consistently or Negated by low ends the one thing I realised about you is you bringg stuff up that are to vague and have no proof backing them or feats show me or state feats of the destroyer or Odin doing as such without giving me statement do not tag me until you do kudos to you for bringing up you're cav though
LMAO. Prime stomps inexplicably hard. This is a mismatch and anyone who has a shred of knowledge about the concept and what both characters have accomplished should know Thor stands absolutely no chance.
LMAO. Prime stomps inexplicably hard. This is a mismatch and anyone who has a shred of knowledge about the concept and what both characters have accomplished should know Thor stands absolutely no chance.
LMAO. Prime stomps inexplicably hard. This is a mismatch and anyone who has a shred of knowledge about the concept and what both characters have accomplished should know Thor stands absolutely no chance.
@dawnone: I don't think you understand. The gem and belt make him able to hit harder, but the damage caused in itself is NOT MAGIC. It's physical force. Superman Prime isn't immune to this.
@never_give_up: Would you be open for a debate with me then friend. I wager I could change your mind. I think people are easily swayed by the idea that Prime is more powerful than Thor therefore should always win. Normally what you mention would be true friend, this thread is different. With the kind of amp he has here it was said that Thor could not just destroy Asgard and Odin alongside it but eventually because a threat to ALL of REALITY.
He was getting more powerful by the second and thanks to the properties of the gem can't really be taken down by physical force alone. That's what Power Gem does.
Also my point is just constantly using statement gets nowhere it's like me saying I can jump 10 feet tall and run faster than a cheetah you know why people would be inclined to doubt because what I usually show claims other wise and me constantly stating it without actually having proof just start to sound like crap some characters do use statment but the statment is constantly backed up by what is potrayed or implied or shown not saying you can't use statment just include feats forOnce if you constantly state you can do something without actually doing it people are gonna believe you're talking out of You're ass.
A weaker version of Thor then what is listed was able to beat Thanos to the ground to where he couldn't fight back, but is still no match for Superman Prime..........OKAYYYYY
@claymore1998: "theoretically" the power gem would give someone infinite strength but its pure speculation to believe thor is outright stronger than prime just via theory
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