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#1 Posted by BigCimmerian (8665 posts) - - Show Bio

- Superman Prime has morals off like always

- His opponents are Captain Marvel, Black Adam and Thor with belt of strength

- Team is bloodlusted beyond imagination, they have 3 days prep, who wins and why?

#2 Posted by 0n1zuka (3715 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime wins. He's already shown against BA that magic punches aren't going to do anything to him, and he swatted him away with little effort. Adding Billy and Thor isn't going to help much.

#3 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7718 posts) - - Show Bio

Team w/prep.

#4 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime wins, no ammount of prep with those three can have them win this

#5 Posted by BigCimmerian (8665 posts) - - Show Bio

What if I give Thor destroyer armor and make this fight in Rock of Eternity?

#6 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

What if I give Thor destroyer armor and make this fight in Rock of Eternity?

thing is Prime is seldomly affected by magic at all, not even Mordru could hurt him and he was powerful enough to rip Mxy off the 5th dimension and intimidate an alternate version of Zatanna into doing his dirty work.

#7 Posted by Bo88gdan (4484 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins 

#8 Posted by BigCimmerian (8665 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

@BigCimmerian said:

What if I give Thor destroyer armor and make this fight in Rock of Eternity?

thing is Prime is seldomly affected by magic at all, not even Mordru could hurt him and he was powerful enough to rip Mxy off the 5th dimension and intimidate an alternate version of Zatanna into doing his dirty work.

You think that Mordru wanted to hurt him with these little lights? I'm sure if he really wanted to hurt him Prime would be over, also that thing with Mxy was PIS because Mxy isn't based on magic and he is reality warper.

#9 Edited by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

@Jayfournines said:

@BigCimmerian said:

What if I give Thor destroyer armor and make this fight in Rock of Eternity?

thing is Prime is seldomly affected by magic at all, not even Mordru could hurt him and he was powerful enough to rip Mxy off the 5th dimension and intimidate an alternate version of Zatanna into doing his dirty work.

You think that Mordru wanted to hurt him with these little lights? I'm sure if he really wanted to hurt him Prime would be over, also that thing with Mxy was PIS because Mxy isn't based on magic and he is reality warper.

Well...based on previous appearances, Mordru doesn't ever not want to hurt anyone lol, he's a d*ck. That'd be like saying Midnighter beats the crap out of Apollo and calls it foreplay. Also, we must remember Prime (in the most ridiculous manner) punches reality in the face. He's over powered and completely unlikeable >_<

Kinda like the Plutonian.

#10 Posted by BigCimmerian (8665 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Jayfournines said:

@BigCimmerian said:

What if I give Thor destroyer armor and make this fight in Rock of Eternity?

thing is Prime is seldomly affected by magic at all, not even Mordru could hurt him and he was powerful enough to rip Mxy off the 5th dimension and intimidate an alternate version of Zatanna into doing his dirty work.

You think that Mordru wanted to hurt him with these little lights? I'm sure if he really wanted to hurt him Prime would be over, also that thing with Mxy was PIS because Mxy isn't based on magic and he is reality warper.

Well...based on previous appearances, Mordru doesn't ever not want to hurt anyone lol, he's a d*ck. That'd be like saying Midnighter beats the crap out of Apollo and calls it foreplay. Also, we must remember Prime (in the most ridiculous manner) punches reality in the face. He's over powered and completely unlikeable >_<

Kinda like the Plutonian.

Punching reality? lol is it something similar to what Trion Juggernaut did?

#11 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

@Jayfournines said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Jayfournines said:

@BigCimmerian said:

What if I give Thor destroyer armor and make this fight in Rock of Eternity?

thing is Prime is seldomly affected by magic at all, not even Mordru could hurt him and he was powerful enough to rip Mxy off the 5th dimension and intimidate an alternate version of Zatanna into doing his dirty work.

You think that Mordru wanted to hurt him with these little lights? I'm sure if he really wanted to hurt him Prime would be over, also that thing with Mxy was PIS because Mxy isn't based on magic and he is reality warper.

Well...based on previous appearances, Mordru doesn't ever not want to hurt anyone lol, he's a d*ck. That'd be like saying Midnighter beats the crap out of Apollo and calls it foreplay. Also, we must remember Prime (in the most ridiculous manner) punches reality in the face. He's over powered and completely unlikeable >_<

Kinda like the Plutonian.

Punching reality? lol is it something similar to what Trion Juggernaut did?

Yes, but he shattered it

#12 Posted by NerdsFTW (3732 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines: @BigCimmerian:

Prime only did that because the area he was in was "cushioned."

Anyone who punched that area would've shattered reality.

#13 Posted by NerdsFTW (3732 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

- Superman Prime has morals off like always

- His opponents are Captain Marvel, Black Adam and Thor with belt of strength

- Team is bloodlusted beyond imagination, they have 3 days prep, who wins and why?

Prime curbstomps.

#14 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@0n1zuka said:

Prime wins. He's already shown against BA that magic punches aren't going to do anything to him, and he swatted him away with little effort. Adding Billy and Thor isn't going to help much.

Y'know, the punch that Black Adam gave him wasn't like when Hercules hit KC Supes. It did send him flying, and it actually did hurt him. @Jayfournines said:

@BigCimmerian said:

What if I give Thor destroyer armor and make this fight in Rock of Eternity?

thing is Prime is seldomly affected by magic at all, not even Mordru could hurt him and he was powerful enough to rip Mxy off the 5th dimension and intimidate an alternate version of Zatanna into doing his dirty work.

Modern Mordu is a joke, IIRC, Mxy was powerless, and Zatanna isn't that impressive.

Despite everything I said, SBP might still win.

#15 Posted by BigCimmerian (8665 posts) - - Show Bio

What is actually ROCK OF ETERNITY?

#16 Posted by 0n1zuka (3715 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Posted by Immortal777 (7732 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime already survived a galaxy busting attack no one here has that type of power.

#18 Posted by spawn_123 (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman Prime wins

#19 Posted by King Saturn (224705 posts) - - Show Bio
I am thinking Superman Prime wins here...  
besides the fact that Supes Prime is already stronger than anyone on the team... you have the issue of teamwork... I don't see Black Adam going for any type of plan other than attack... especially since Supes Prime sort of clocked him with ease after Black Adam tried to smash him and did no damage at all... so basically Black Adam will be looking for blood... he will rush in and get clocked again... leaving Captain Marvel and Thor to fight Superman Prime both of which are heavy Magic Users and Supes Prime already seems to be pretty immune to Magical Attacks leaving these two up Sh!ts Creek. 
#20 Posted by CapitolPunishment (2303 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian: A not so well known character named Kinetix was a powerful magic user that has displayed power to transmute entire worlds into what she wants, it was said her power was far beyond the planet level as she had previously absorbed all the magic from an entire alternate universe. Anyhow she tried to transmute SMP into something else using her magic, it didn't do anything to him and she got vaporized for her troubles. Who knows if Mordru was trying to hurt him or not, what do most magic/energy users attack with, they hold out there hands and shoot magic/energy. The fact is Mordru could not hurt him. SMP has been attacked by every level of a magic user and it's been the same result, he is immune. The writers have been very clear on that issue, I have no idea why this even comes up anymore.

#21 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9196 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jayfournines said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Jayfournines said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Jayfournines said:

@BigCimmerian said:

What if I give Thor destroyer armor and make this fight in Rock of Eternity?

thing is Prime is seldomly affected by magic at all, not even Mordru could hurt him and he was powerful enough to rip Mxy off the 5th dimension and intimidate an alternate version of Zatanna into doing his dirty work.

You think that Mordru wanted to hurt him with these little lights? I'm sure if he really wanted to hurt him Prime would be over, also that thing with Mxy was PIS because Mxy isn't based on magic and he is reality warper.

Well...based on previous appearances, Mordru doesn't ever not want to hurt anyone lol, he's a d*ck. That'd be like saying Midnighter beats the crap out of Apollo and calls it foreplay. Also, we must remember Prime (in the most ridiculous manner) punches reality in the face. He's over powered and completely unlikeable >_<

Kinda like the Plutonian.

Punching reality? lol is it something similar to what Trion Juggernaut did?

Yes, but he shattered it

Another exmaple: Prime punches out of the Phantom Zone, and messes with reality. 
 
#22 Posted by 0n1zuka (3715 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW: Which punch are you referring to? We're probably talking about the same fight but I want to be sure.

#23 Edited by isaac_clarke (5458 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime's magic defenses are over-hyped - anyone entertaining the idea that he would stand up to the Destroyer is pushing it.

So is the Ret-con punch that revolved him being amped and hitting a physical wall.

I'll say team - mainly because he isn't THAT much stronger than Superman to easily swat away the god-enhanced twins and Thor can smash face with said hammer - which has no issues hurting beings beyond Prime's pay-grade.

#24 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

What if I give Thor destroyer armor and make this fight in Rock of Eternity?

Team would win than, Thor would solo.

#25 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@0n1zuka said:

@blackadamFTW: Which punch are you referring to? We're probably talking about the same fight but I want to be sure.

The one that SBP said "tickled".

#26 Posted by Frozen (15041 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman Prime destroys the team. Black Adam's attack basically tickled him, and that was Boy-Prime, the weaker version. Prime is a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian, his power levels are far beyond that of the team.

#27 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12349 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime, by the end of this fight the team will resemble victims of a bath salts zombie attack.

#28 Posted by 0n1zuka (3715 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW: Ok, I thought so. To me, it just seems like SBP is not being moved or affected all that much by BA's punches. I can understand if you disagree though.

#29 Posted by imbackwimps (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins easy because of thor

#30 Posted by Saren (26012 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

@0n1zuka said:

Prime wins. He's already shown against BA that magic punches aren't going to do anything to him, and he swatted him away with little effort. Adding Billy and Thor isn't going to help much.

Y'know, the punch that Black Adam gave him wasn't like when Hercules hit KC Supes. It did send him flying, and it actually did hurt him. @Jayfournines said:

@BigCimmerian said:

What if I give Thor destroyer armor and make this fight in Rock of Eternity?

thing is Prime is seldomly affected by magic at all, not even Mordru could hurt him and he was powerful enough to rip Mxy off the 5th dimension and intimidate an alternate version of Zatanna into doing his dirty work.

Modern Mordu is a joke, IIRC, Mxy was powerless, and Zatanna isn't that impressive.

Despite everything I said, SBP might still win.

Modern Mordru has wiped the floor with the JSA multiple times. The Mordru from the Legion of Three Worlds story was a future version who was more or less senile and lacking the capabilities of his younger self.

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#31 Posted by Frozen (15041 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: I wouldn't be surprised if Superman Prime could mop the floor with the JSA.

#32 Posted by 0n1zuka (3715 posts) - - Show Bio

@imbackwimps: I'm know I'm going to regret this, but how? By using a Mjolnir hax that hasn't been seen in years?

#33 Posted by XImpossibruX (5183 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777 said:

Prime already survived a galaxy busting attack no one here has that type of power.

no? he was transported to the future....31st century.

#34 Posted by Immortal777 (7732 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

@Immortal777 said:

Prime already survived a galaxy busting attack no one here has that type of power.

no? he was transported to the future....31st century.

I'm talking about War World I have no idea what your talking about.

#35 Posted by XImpossibruX (5183 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777 said:

@XImpossibruX said:

@Immortal777 said:

Prime already survived a galaxy busting attack no one here has that type of power.

no? he was transported to the future....31st century.

I'm talking about War World I have no idea what your talking about.

oh nvm, ignore what i said.

#36 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (26094 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke:

I'll say team

Don't see how they can win. Seeing as how BA could not hurt him and CA is just like BA so he should not be able to either and Thor he far to slow to contend with Prime.

mainly because he isn't THAT much stronger than Superman to easily swat away the god-enhanced twin

He already took shots from Black Adam with out it hurting him what makes you think he could do it here?

Thor can smash face with said hammer - which has no issues hurting beings beyond Prime's pay-grade.

Thor is not fast enough to hit Prime the dude has to use a area attack to catch QS who is much slower then Prime.

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#37 Posted by isaac_clarke (5458 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Don't see how they can win. Seeing as how BA could not hurt him and CA is just like BA so he should not be able to either and Thor he far to slow to contend with Prime.

mainly because he isn't THAT much stronger than Superman to easily swat away the god-enhanced twin

He already took shots from Black Adam with out it hurting him what makes you think he could do it here?

Thor can smash face with said hammer - which has no issues hurting beings beyond Prime's pay-grade.

Thor is not fast enough to hit Prime the dude has to use a area attack to catch QS who is much slower then Prime.

Here's the thing, unless Black Adam and Captain Marvel is physically much weaker than Superman; I'm not sure how these two can't pull their efforts to restrain Prime. And Prime himself isn't sporting speed feats on Superman's level and neither are BA or CM - if you're going to argue Thor is slow, they don't have much of an argument to say they are any faster. And yes he can hit Quick Silver without an area attack, that's just silly; he could have thrown his hammer throw his chest.

The God-Enhanced Twins will hold Prime down as Thor beats him to death, it's not particularly at all a stretch. This is under the assumption that their striking power is magic, that Prime is still sporting that resistance to magic - then otherwise the team stomps.

#38 Posted by Frozen (15041 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Don't see how they can win. Seeing as how BA could not hurt him and CA is just like BA so he should not be able to either and Thor he far to slow to contend with Prime.

mainly because he isn't THAT much stronger than Superman to easily swat away the god-enhanced twin

He already took shots from Black Adam with out it hurting him what makes you think he could do it here?

Thor can smash face with said hammer - which has no issues hurting beings beyond Prime's pay-grade.

Thor is not fast enough to hit Prime the dude has to use a area attack to catch QS who is much slower then Prime.

Here's the thing, unless Black Adam and Captain Marvel is physically much weaker than Superman; I'm not sure how these two can't pull their efforts to restrain Prime. And Prime himself isn't sporting speed feats on Superman's level and neither are BA or CM - if you're going to argue Thor is slow, they don't have much of an argument to say they are any faster. And yes he can hit Quick Silver without an area attack, that's just silly; he could have thrown his hammer throw his chest.

The God-Enhanced Twins will hold Prime down as Thor beats him to death, it's not particularly at all a stretch. This is under the assumption that their striking power is magic, that Prime is still sporting that resistance to magic - then otherwise the team stomps.

Magic simply tickled Prime in Infinite Crisis.

#39 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (26094 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke:

Here's the thing, unless Black Adam and Captain Marvel is physically much weaker than Superman; I'm not sure how these two can't pull their efforts to restrain Prime

They could restrain him but with his resistance to magic i doubt Thor hit's would effect him much now they could restrain him while Thor BFR's them to a red sun the is a option

And Prime himself isn't sporting speed feats on Superman's level

I guess him escaping the Speed Force is not on Superman speed level?

And yes he can hit Quick Silver without an area attack, that's just silly; he could have thrown his hammer throw his chest.

I meant Thor combat speed hammer throw is not combat speed.

The God-Enhanced Twins will hold Prime down as Thor beats him to death, it's not particularly at all a stretch

I doubt that would work seeing as how he is highly resistant is magic and hard blows from Thor's hammer would have powerful shock waves and they would not be hold him for long. As I said before BFR is an option assuming BA and CA would think of that.

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#40 Posted by Saren (26012 posts) - - Show Bio

Considering Kid Flash has made a fool out of Prime, even drawing blood and forcing Prime to run away for fear of getting his ass kicked, I really don't think the argument can be made that he's on Superman's speed level.

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#41 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (26094 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Considering Kid Flash has made a fool out of Prime, even drawing blood and forcing Prime to run away for fear of getting his ass kicked, I really don't think the argument can be made that he's on Superman's speed level.

I thought he ran away because he is a whiny b!tch and is afraid of flashes?

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#42 Posted by Saren (26012 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kemozodion said:

@CitizenBane said:

Considering Kid Flash has made a fool out of Prime, even drawing blood and forcing Prime to run away for fear of getting his ass kicked, I really don't think the argument can be made that he's on Superman's speed level.

Wasn't he a full grown Flash when he came out of the speed force?

He wasn't. He was just wearing Barry's costume since it was the only thing that could survive the trip back to Earth from the Speed Force. Wonder Girl asked him the same question when he appeared ("You're old and you're the Flash?") and he gave her that same answer. I think he may have been slightly older than he was before during the Fastest Man Alive series but I doubt it made that much of a difference.

Hell, Bart was making a mockery of Prime even in his Kid Flash costume during Legion of Three Worlds.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@CitizenBane said:

Considering Kid Flash has made a fool out of Prime, even drawing blood and forcing Prime to run away for fear of getting his ass kicked, I really don't think the argument can be made that he's on Superman's speed level.

I thought he ran away because he is a whiny b!tch and is afraid of flashes?

He's downright terrified of them, yeah, and the reason for that is that they can humiliate him.

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#43 Posted by 0n1zuka (3715 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: I know that Prime doesn't have the showings that Superman does, but wasn't there an instance where he used his super speed to respond in kind to Wally, Bart and Jay beating on him during Infinite Crisis?

#44 Posted by Z3RO180 (6669 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian: is this golden superman prime or kill you to death prime?

#45 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (26094 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: He's downright terrified of them, yeah, and the reason for that is that they can humiliate him.

They would Humiliate Superman as well I still do not see what that has to do with him not being on Supes speed level. Hell Superman had a hard time catching Barry when Barry wanted him to.

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#46 Posted by 0n1zuka (3715 posts) - - Show Bio

@Z3RO180: It's the latter.

#47 Posted by Saren (26012 posts) - - Show Bio

@0n1zuka said:

@CitizenBane: I know that Prime doesn't have the showings that Superman does, but wasn't there an instance where he used his super speed to respond in kind to Wally, Bart and Jay beating on him during Infinite Crisis?

Flailing his hands wildly through the air in the middle of a blitz is not terribly impressive, especially since all it did was put a little space between him and the speedsters for a while. On that very same page, half a dozen Teen Titans and JSA members were hitting Prime and he wasn't reacting to any of them. And these same 3 Flashes were later physically dragging his ass to the Speed Force and he couldn't stop them.

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#48 Posted by isaac_clarke (5458 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

They could restrain him but with his resistance to magic i doubt Thor hit's would effect him much now they could restrain him while Thor BFR's them to a red sun the is a option

You're putting too much emphasis on an ambiguous level of magic resistance and the idea that Mjolnir / Thor's striking power is magic; especially given it's not entirely clear if he's still sporting that magic resistance.Anyhow if said hammer can hurt abstracts like Galactus or the Phoenix Force - I honestly wouldn't have a clue why Prime would be any more special.

I guess him escaping the Speed Force is not on Superman speed level?

Are their scans of him escaping the Speed Force? How about building that solar-suit out of rocks, without tools or food as he's trapped orbiting a red giant? There is a lot of things in regards to his escape that don't remotely add up - because writer's didn't quite give a damn about making sense.

I meant Thor combat speed hammer throw is not combat speed.

You seem under the impression that Thor isn't going to be using that hammer's speed in a fight. Yes he could have thrown his hammer at QS or simply bullrushed him using it - nothing stops him from using the hammer to fight fast.

I doubt that would work seeing as how he is highly resistant is magic and hard blows from Thor's hammer would have powerful shock waves and they would not be hold him for long. As I said before BFR is an option assuming BA and CA would think of that.

Define highly resistant without using Mordru's pink pellet attack or Black Adam hitting him. Highly resistant is a stretch when he hasn't faced anyone throwing any worthwhile magic at him. The hammer itself is more so divinely powered, rather than chalking up to just magic and Thor is sporting twice his strength - Prime isn't going to be sitting through this assault saying it tickles.

#49 Posted by jonEsherfey (443 posts) - - Show Bio

@spawn_123: This

#50 Edited by Frozen (15041 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Prime was capable of escaping the Speed-Force. Being a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian, he should be extremely fast.