He's dodged optic blasts at close range in the past. And in this situation...Wolverine is the one with the speed advantage.
When he dodged the optic blasts (Cyclops I presume), did Cyclops have to manually activate it? Scans?
Well...here's one with Wolverine (as Death) casually blocking an optic blast with his swordand another with him using his armour to block at point blank range while at the same time engaging with Cable.
I realize its not dodging...but it shows he has the reaction time to register an attack and take steps to avoid it.
@imbackwimps: Except that Superman's eye's emit all types of radiation. Superman could AoE (Area of Effect) Wolverine without any visible beams coming from his eyes, and roast him.
@imbackwimps: Except that Superman's eye's emit all types of radiation. Superman could AoE (Area of Effect) Wolverine without any visible beams coming from his eyes, and roast him.
@imbackwimps: Assuming of course Supes is willing to take it that far, Supes could incapacitate Wolverine just like the scan on the first page. Logan doesn't need to die for Supes to get the win.
With his strength, speed and agility down to that of a normal physique Wolverine will outclass him in those aspects and I doubt he can KO Logan through melee means and Logan will then outclass him in speed, strength, durability definitely fighting skills. However, Wolverine may not be able to cut him deep enough either. On the other hand, he was able to stab into Thanos' chest but didn't do lasting damage and he could cut and draw blood from Thor but Thor's Asgardian hide prevented any debilitating injuries.
Honestly, I see this fight coming off like X-23 vs Kimura but Superman has heat vision that will still incinerate Wolverine.
@Ancient_0f_Days: What youy fail to account for is that Wolverine, in this one situation, has a huge advantage in speed. The only thing that saves Clark here is Durability.
@Ancient_0f_Days: What youy fail to account for is that Wolverine, in this one situation, has a huge advantage in speed. The only thing that saves Clark here is Durability.
So, Wolverine's speed is gonna save him from this?
@Ancient_0f_Days: First, I never said Wolverine Wins.
All I'm saying here is that he can move faster than Clark can Track...that will make it more difficult for Clark to hit him. Eventually, he does...but without his durability....Wolverine could get him first.
@Ancient_0f_Days: First, I never said Wolverine Wins.
All I'm saying here is that he can move faster than Clark can Track...that will make it more difficult for Clark to hit him. Eventually, he does...but without his durability....Wolverine could get him first.
And all I'm saying is that all Clark has to do is open his eyes nice and wide in Logan's direction and this happens ..
@Ancient_0f_Days: And What I'm saying is before Clark can do so..Wolverine can have 6 claws in his gut. Doesn't help him much though because of the durability that Clark is bringing to the table.
@Ancient_0f_Days: And What I'm saying is before Clark can do so..Wolverine can have 6 claws in his gut.
LOL thats hilarious ...... so before Superman can open his eyes, Wolverine, who probably isn't standing 1 inch away from his face, is gonna stab him? LMMuthaFAO, you are quite the comedian aren't you
@Ancient_0f_Days: And What I'm saying is before Clark can do so..Wolverine can have 6 claws in his gut.
LOL thats hilarious ...... so before Superman can open his eyes, Wolverine, who probably isn't standing 1 inch away from his face, is gonna stab him? LMMuthaFAO, you are quite the comedian aren't you
What I'm saying is that Wolverine isn't just standing there waiting to get blasted. Superman, with his now completely normal human reaction time and his suddenly human vision...is going to have trouble tracking Wolverine, who can move faster than the human eye can follow. Sooner or later he is going to hit Logan though...and that will end the fight. Logan just can't get past Clark's durability.
In the end, Superman wins this one...we agree on that. I'm just saying it's not necessarily the Curbstomp you believe it to be and that the biggest factor to Superman's Victory is not his heat vision..but his durability.
@Shawnbaby: apparently you don't see that if Clark opens his eyes wide enough its over, he does this a lot when he needs to, and the pure heat of his vision would melt the skin and muscle off of Logan instantly, making it hard for him to move fast at all. And what if Kal just goes OWAW on Logan? Superman's "durability" is only a factor because now he can stand his own heat while he burns Wolverine to a skeleton. Logan will only get close if Clark allows it, and it has already been discussed that Clark can casually one shot Logan with a beam through the eye. Durability has nothing to do with why he wins.
@TERMINATORXX said:
the op says healing factor? Supermans healing factor is just like a humans, he doesnt heal instantly, its kind of slow.
Not really, if it was ... then when he got his throat slit by Wonder Woman, he would've bled out. The wound healed pretty quickly.
@Shawnbaby: apparently you don't see that if Clark opens his eyes wide enough its over, he does this a lot when he needs to, and the pure heat of his vision would melt the skin and muscle off of Logan instantly, making it hard for him to move fast at all. And what if Kal just goes OWAW on Logan? Superman's "durability" is only a factor because now he can stand his own heat while he burns Wolverine to a skeleton. Logan will only get close if Clark allows it, and it has already been discussed that Clark can casually one shot Logan with a beam through the eye. Durability has nothing to do with why he wins.
@TERMINATORXX said:
the op says healing factor? Supermans healing factor is just like a humans, he doesnt heal instantly, its kind of slow.
Not really, if it was ... then when he got his throat slit by Wonder Woman, he would've bled out. The wound healed pretty quickly.
I'm just saying...if he misses or if he doesn't get all of Logan with the blast..which is possible, however unlikely you think it is, what will save him is Durability...without that...he dies.
Also, New 52 Supes Heat Vision doesn't seem to be as Powerful as it used to be.
Clark "Cuts Loose with his heat visionBut the robot thingy doesn't seem to be slagged or anything
@Shawnbaby: There are people present in your scan Superman would never use HV at full power also are you comparing Wolverine's skin to a robot made of idk what kind of metal.
@Shawnbaby: There are people present in your scan Superman would never use HV at full power also are you comparing Wolverine's skin to a robot made of idk what kind of metal.
Superman himself is the one that says "I can really cut Loose"..take up the matter of the civilians with him.
Anyway, I through arguing with people that all agree with me that Superman wins this fight. I simply think Wolverine has a chance at avoiding the Blast....but Clark Wins anyway so really...there's not a lot of point in continuing this.
@catofellow: how durable is superman can wolverine cut through his skin fairly easy or is it a bit tough to get through
Wolverine's claws have cut through it all to be honest. He has cut through the silver surfer, cut the hands off King Thor, made Gladiator bleed, cut through the skin of trion juggernaut before he went all huge (though trion healed instantly) i see no reason why he should not be able to cut through Superman.
Superman's stamina in OP seems to be reduced also, Wolverine could outlast Superman in the fight by kiting him around the battle ground until he dropped. Then he can keep on slashing over and over until it get into his skin. If Wolverine can scratch Thanos and Thor, then he can probably do the same to Superman, but in this case, Superman will be tired and Wolverine can repeat on digging in the wound.
Logan's only chance is in close ... if he's fighting to the best of his ability, he might pull it off. If not, we'll need to see if his healing factor's up to pulling another Nitro level recovery.
Superman looks into logan's eyes and liquifies his brains. Sure, maybe Logan can regen, but Supes can wash rinse repeat. Since Supes is keeping his durability, the best logan can do is maybe scratch him. Supes can incinerate Logan time and time and time again.
Its very plausable that superman can use his omega beam but I would imagine that because he doesnt have his full sun absorbing capabilities he would eventualy gas out...thats ofcourse if logan doesnt dodge the beam in a berserk state after being annoyed by a couple of the eye lasers.
Superman doesn't have Omega Beams, if he did then Wolverine would lose instantly.
Its very plausable that superman can use his omega beam but I would imagine that because he doesnt have his full sun absorbing capabilities he would eventualy gas out...thats ofcourse if logan doesnt dodge the beam in a berserk state after being annoyed by a couple of the eye lasers.
Superman doesn't have Omega Beams, if he did then Wolverine would lose instantly.
By which I meant his really powerful version of the eye-beam not Darkseids.
Logan's only chance is in close ... if he's fighting to the best of his ability, he might pull it off. If not, we'll need to see if his healing factor's up to pulling another Nitro level recovery.
Its very plausable that superman can use his omega beam but I would imagine that because he doesnt have his full sun absorbing capabilities he would eventualy gas out...thats ofcourse if logan doesnt dodge the beam in a berserk state after being annoyed by a couple of the eye lasers.
Superman doesn't have Omega Beams, if he did then Wolverine would lose instantly.
By which I meant his really powerful version of the eye-beam not Darkseids.
@god_spawn: wrong he even cut off king thors arm, and can pierce the hulk, wolverine can damage supes lethaly
Hulk isn't as durable to piercing weapons as they are and his healing factor makes up for it. He did slice off King Thor's arm but when in a more recent comic than King Thor, and when he was bloodlusted thinking Thor was Sabretooth, he only caused minor scratches on his face and only cut into the musculature, so no he cannot stab Superman lethally unless it is in the eyes or he manages to cut deep enough into the carotid before getting blasted by heat vision and as I stated before, Logan goes for body shots for awhile before he strikes the face.
@god_spawn: people tend to underrate hulks thoughness, he can only get cut with vibranium or adamantium
Who Wolverine has sliced into again and again and again without much difficulty. Thor on the other hand could not get in deep enough, same with the likes of Colossus, he had issues doing so. But neither have healing factor's like Hulk which makes up for his lack of durability to the adamantium being able to penetrate him so easily.
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