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Poll: Superman & Lobo V.S. Loki and Thor (37 votes)

Superman and Lobo 73%
Loki and Thor 27%
#1 Edited by dondave (36455 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

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#2 Posted by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki turns Superman into snow. Good day.

#3 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Their fighting in character so Team 2 thanks to Loki.

#4 Posted by kymiller17 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

But they don't have kryptonight to beat superman

#5 Posted by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

Magic works far better than Kryptonite.

#6 Posted by nirbu23 (39 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is vulnerable to magic but he has knocked down heavens gates but was curbstomped by Michael superman if he is able to can avoid magic and lobo is far more stronger he is ban from heaven and hell defeated supes and can regenerate and he has no weaknesses so team 1 wins even tho u ppl will complain saying " WTF TEAM. 2" yes they are both half gods but r rlly going to compare half gods to people superior to their and yes magic can beat supes but lobo can solo

#7 Posted by InnerSuperman (858 posts) - - Show Bio

team superman!!

#8 Edited by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

Good fight. What are the parameters?

#9 Edited by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki can turn Supes into particles, and dump Lobo in another dimension. Thor could kill Superman anyway. Lobo is all but useless here since he can't even touch Loki unless Loki lets him.

#10 Posted by Erick_Williams (758 posts) - - Show Bio

Lobo solo's

#11 Posted by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

If Loki was out of character, yeah. But then what would save him and his brother from a speed blitz? And Lobo does much better against magic than Superman.

#12 Edited by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

Speedblitz doesn't work. Thor is an FTL'er, and Loki has fought Thor many times. Loki also utterly embarrassed the Thor Corps (basically 3 guys withThor's abilities, just not as strong) and had a power contest with the Surfer at one point just to mess with him.

#13 Edited by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

Mjolnir has FTL travel speed, true. Doesn't make Thor fast in a fight.

#14 Posted by InnerSuperman (858 posts) - - Show Bio

supermans team

#15 Edited by New_World_Order (13011 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12021 posts) - - Show Bio

wow.....

#17 Posted by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

I've seen Loki fold too many times to believe he'd defeat Superman and Lobo.

#18 Posted by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is resistant to magic and has known Loki all his life. Supes and Lobo have no such advantages. Loki is also such a diabolical plotter and instigator of evil that even Mephisto has complimented him. Loki doesn't really fold so much as reevaluate his plans and continue at a later time. There won't be need for that here.

Loki has gone back in time and turned Bor, father of Odin and creator of the Nine Realms, into snow. Then killed his own father and sent his younger self to encounter Odin, who'd take the orphaned Loki in and raise him.

#19 Edited by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

Aside from Zatanna, Lobo has fought Etrigan, Merlin, Klarion, Belial, Santa, the Easter Bunny, Odin, Poseidon, and K'baal and done well. To say he's not resistant to magic is ignorance. Loki gets blitzed using the other side of your coin.

#20 Edited by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

Most of those aren't even in Loki's league. And the fact he's dealt with speedblitzers before kinda hinders your argument, and claims of Thor not being FTL are just ridiculous and have been proven wrong.

One of the main things people forget is Loki is a master of illusions. Supes and Lobo will never actually lay a hand on him.

#21 Posted by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

Youre right. most of those are far above Loki's league. Thor has Mjolnir which travels FTL but Superman is FTL and the Spazfrag is too. Lobo and Superman have dealt with magic users before, which hinders your argument. do tell how Thor handled those speedblitzers and how fast they were. Lobo has a tracking sense. Loki can hide all he wants.

#22 Edited by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2.

#23 Posted by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor has fought with the Surfer equally. Surfer is millions of times FTL. Even Loki has engaged him. As I said before, Loki even engaged the Thor Corps, which're 3 guys a bit shy of Thor's level, and Loki was smacking them all around. Including Eric Masterson, who'd managed to beat Gladiator in a fight. Loki brought down Eric who was even using two hammers, and then proceeded to pimpslap him around.

#24 Posted by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

The Spazfrag is easily millions of times FTL too. What's your point?

#25 Edited by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

The Spazfrag is easily millions of times FTL too. What's your point?

You can try proving it. Since I've never seen any evidence of this and Supes tends to hold back against people slower than himself.

#26 Posted by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

It travelled from another galaxy to ours in at most one week. He uses it to travel from galaxy to galaxy, even reaching the end of the universe. He's even gone back to Czarnia on it. And back again.

#27 Posted by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

...Surfer crosses galaxies in minutes...and it takes Lobo's Vehicle a week to do that. That's not Lobo being FTL. That's Lobo's bike being FTL.

#28 Posted by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

A week tops I said. That's taking the time elapsed literally (I.e. real time) and the absolute slowest the bike could have gone. We also don't know what galaxy it was.

Oh, and how does Thor travel again? CoughHAMMERcoughcough.

#29 Posted by Saren (25616 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai said:

Thor has fought with the Surfer equally. Surfer is millions of times FTL. Even Loki has engaged him.

So has Hulk, on 3 different occasions barring the Planet Hulk showing where Surfer was weakened. I guess Hulk is millions of times FTL too.

I'll never understand why people use this same mediocre argument over and over again.

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#30 Edited by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see Thor using Mjolnir to fly from Asgard to Earth and then straight into a Jane's bedroom. That only took a few seconds. He has 2 days to win a fight.

#31 Posted by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

And how far is Asgard from Earth? Oh that's right, it's in another dimension entirely.

#32 Posted by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

Which actually makes it more impressive that he zipped down a dimensional pathway, went around the Earth and into Jane's apartment in one go, and all Without Using Mjolnir. Which proves he doesn't need to use it for flight, and only does so as a force of habit.

#33 Edited by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

Page 11 of Journey into Mystery #85 disagrees with that.

#34 Posted by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

And yet we clearly see him doing it without Mjolnir in hand. His flying can be done without the hammer. It's a habit. Much like how he doesn't need it to retain his powers and won't revert into Donald Blake after 60sec.

#35 Edited by Saren (25616 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai said:

I don't see Thor using Mjolnir to fly from Asgard to Earth and then straight into a Jane's bedroom. That only took a few seconds. He has 2 days to win a fight.

Considering we've seen that when his hammer was broken, Thor had to literally pray that he'd still be able to attempt one last flight with it, it's fair to say Mjolnir was likely on his body at the time.

"If there is yet grace within you to carry me one last time...."

Unless, of course, you can think of some other excuse along the lines of "he doesn't need Mjolnir, he just uses it out of habit".

And this was while Thor had a portion of the Odinforce with him, no less, so either Thor can't fly without Mjolnir or he's an idiot, because the Odinforce should honestly be able to bestow flight if nothing else as a bare minimum, but both of these things could apply to Thor. And he desperately needed to fly in that story because he needed to save Sif's life in time. You'd think if he could actually fly without the hammer, he'd just fly there by himself. Not run to Strange to fix it.

And in yet another instance, The Mighty Thor #192, Thor couldn't fly because there was no room to swing his hammer.

Again: Thor is either an idiot if his force of habit compels him to do grossly inconvenient things rather than just fly away, or he cannot fly without his hammer.

@the_last_son_of_czarnia said:

Page 11 of Journey into Mystery #85 disagrees with that.

Verily.

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#36 Edited by reikai (4192 posts) - - Show Bio

That is just PIS.

#37 Posted by Saren (25616 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai said:

That is just PIS.

Suuuuuuure.

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#38 Edited by russellmania77 (14974 posts) - - Show Bio

magic is bad for supes but lobo isnt that eazy to beat

#39 Posted by Lvenger (19277 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 have a good chance here. Superman speedblitzes Thor into submission whilst Lobo holds off Loki. He's used to magic and his immortality/healing factor combo is tough to beat for even someone of Loki's caliber of sorcery.

#40 Posted by utkanflash (426 posts) - - Show Bio

Lobo and Supe take this.... Team 2 has a great magical and mystic powers ... But Still team 1 more skilled and more powerfull

#41 Posted by kymiller17 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

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