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#101 Posted by Cgoodness (4695 posts) - - Show Bio

Btw im glad Thor and Loki are getting some respect finally

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#102 Posted by AsgardianXeno929 (841 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12 said:

Thor doesn't even have the god blast anymore and many of the things that have been mentioned he's not capable of anymore. You didn't even specify which Supes and Which Thor we are using. Plus I did a thread Thor vs Hel. Thor got stomped cause Hel was to fast and supes also has the speed advantage.plus I'm looking up thor vs gorr and issue 9# of thor god of thunder and I don't see any planet shattering blows. Plus Thor got beat by death seed sentry who's first feat was literally beating him and he did with ease. Supes is faster than mjolnir and by what you just said it also takes times for thor to swing his arm and trow mjolnir. Why make a thread were you know the other will lose

Where in comics is it stated that he cannot do many of those things any more? He hasn't been retconned.

OP states New 52.

Look again, Thor is hitting Gorr over one planet which is very clearly breaking apart, and then he realized one in the distance isn't empty so he goes to fix it.

Besides the fact that he bullrushed an unaware Thor, before being death seed he was already meant to be in Thor's class, so clearly him beating someone in his class with ease is meant to show his powerup, not a low showing for Thor.

Mjolnir is so fast that it can easily access hyperspace as when Thor caught up to, used mjolnir to track his path, and then go through hyperspace to overtake a speeding Ego. Stop trying to downplay Thor and instead use feats make Superman look better.

#103 Edited by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@asgardianxeno929: Read op you were right and this is what I mean't actual scans of proof thank you.

Here's some Supes feats

Supes is stronger than a god

Breaks lantern constructs with ease

Releases planet shocking blows even felt by the watchtower

Superman survives a slap from Apollo who is a god and comes out basically unscathed

Lifts the weight of the Earth for 5 days and thinks he can do more

In Red Hood & the Outlaws Jason and friends were teleported to Earth from Saturn in a minute but Supes was there waiting for them he got there in under seconds which means he is ftl

In the recent issue Superman/Wonder Woman Batman stated Supes could turn the moon into dust and Supes said he could but it wouldn't make sense. In the issue before that amped Said he could bring down mountains with a finger so if Supes needed to he could fly into the sun and get amped

#104 Edited by r2datu (659 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's some Loki feats:

Speed:

He fairly regularly dodges Mjolnir

Here, he is fighting Silver Surfer and manages to catch Surfer while he is speeding around and also races along with Surfer around the world.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed05.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed04SS4.jpg

These feats are hard to quantify, but in combination with the various times he has been said to be as fast as thought (a trait which has also been attributed to Diana often), then he at the very least could hold his own and would not be monstrously blitzed by the DC team, though both he and Thor are at a very clear speed disadvantage.

#105 Posted by AsgardianXeno929 (841 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12: np, its good to see people who are reasonable lol, I'm not actually going to debate much though since I haven't read enough Thor and no dc at all.

#106 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio
#107 Posted by Tomekeeper (39 posts) - - Show Bio

According to Kieron Gillen, current Loki at full power is a reality warper. Couple that with Superman's lack of magic resistance, and I think that team 2 takes this. However, I do think that team 1 are more powerful-it's just that Loki is a bad matchup for Superman and I doubt Wonder Woman can take on both brothers at once.

#108 Posted by AzorAhai (158 posts) - - Show Bio

F man, I hate it when Loki does this to people, lol. I really want Supes to win here but as stated before, Loki is just way too damn OP.

#109 Posted by AzorAhai (158 posts) - - Show Bio

@thecomicpro: Supes is leagues stronger than Thor, by far. And Thor isn't fast, its Mjolnir.

#110 Edited by LanceKayz (4 posts) - - Show Bio

loki might not be physically strong but he can take a beating and still remain concious to cast and can see this fight ending with thor vs wonder woman

#111 Edited by TheComicPro (249 posts) - - Show Bio

@azorahai: Exactly he can use Mjolnir to move hyperspeeds faster than superman can react and if that fails then Godblast to the face

#112 Posted by AsgardianXeno929 (841 posts) - - Show Bio

@azorahai: leagues stronger? Is there proof? Being knocked out destroying a moon isn't as impressive as not even noticing you were destroying a moon or planet while fighting quite some distance from it.

#113 Edited by BigCimmerian (8317 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12 said:

@asgardianxeno929: Read op you were right and this is what I mean't actual scans of proof thank you.

Here's some Supes feats

Supes is stronger than a god

Breaks lantern constructs with ease

Releases planet shocking blows even felt by the watchtower

Superman survives a slap from Apollo who is a god and comes out basically unscathed

Lifts the weight of the Earth for 5 days and thinks he can do more

In Red Hood & the Outlaws Jason and friends were teleported to Earth from Saturn in a minute but Supes was there waiting for them he got there in under seconds which means he is ftl

In the recent issue Superman/Wonder Woman Batman stated Supes could turn the moon into dust and Supes said he could but it wouldn't make sense. In the issue before that amped Said he could bring down mountains with a finger so if Supes needed to he could fly into the sun and get amped

hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahaahhaaha

#114 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian: What does hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah mean

#115 Edited by reikai (4239 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12: I think he's trying to sound like this

#116 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio
#117 Posted by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@azorahai said:

@thecomicpro: Supes is leagues stronger than Thor, by far. And Thor isn't fast, its Mjolnir.

Wrong.

Mjolnir also allows for simulated flight whereby when thrown it could pull it's wielder along. Basically, Thor flies by flinging his hammer really hard and then hanging on for ride:

And no matter what, it's been explained that "Thor can always control the course of his flight," from Thor#400:

#118 Edited by reaverlation (15922 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll go team 1.Superman is stronger along with being faster than anyone here.He has shown some durability(surviving black hole lasers,etc.)so he can definitely keep fighting.Wonder Woman I'm not too familiar with in N52 so not sure on her.

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#119 Edited by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: she deflected darkseids omega beams which are capable of destroying planets with her bracelets, kick superman in the face but I don't think Superman was trying, and killed the god of war so she's the god of war now but that's all I know

#120 Posted by trinidadsuperman (95 posts) - - Show Bio

This is stupid guys Superman & Wonder Woman would win this. Thor isnt stronger than superman. At all. He bench pressed the earth for over 5 days straight without sunlight. Comprehend this. 120 hours straight. From what you were doing on monday morning to this friday he was lifting the weight of the planet NON STOP. Thor has never done anything to that level. A snake? Please. Superman is a heaps stronger than thor. Magic? Yes but unless you think at speeds faster than light you will get blitzed. Superman deal with mxyzptlk, loki wont be too difficult. While he does that wonder woman distracts thor until superman gets there and knocks goldilocks on his ass & sends him crying back to daddy HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

#121 Posted by reaverlation (15922 posts) - - Show Bio
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#122 Edited by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:

@mikep12 said:

@asgardianxeno929: Read op you were right and this is what I mean't actual scans of proof thank you.

Here's some Supes feats

Supes is stronger than a god

Breaks lantern constructs with ease

Releases planet shocking blows even felt by the watchtower

Superman survives a slap from Apollo who is a god and comes out basically unscathed

Lifts the weight of the Earth for 5 days and thinks he can do more

In Red Hood & the Outlaws Jason and friends were teleported to Earth from Saturn in a minute but Supes was there waiting for them he got there in under seconds which means he is ftl

In the recent issue Superman/Wonder Woman Batman stated Supes could turn the moon into dust and Supes said he could but it wouldn't make sense. In the issue before that amped Said he could bring down mountains with a finger so if Supes needed to he could fly into the sun and get amped

hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahaahhaaha

Here's some of Thor's feats of power:

Here's some of Thor's feats of strength and power:

Thor flexes and snaps adamantium alloy cables like they were nothing, from Thor #309:

Does this look familiar? Twenty years later, Thor literally re-performs his feat of lifting a metal railway and sustaining the weight of a passing train as it races by, from Thor #319:

Early on, Thor pushes over the Leaning Tower of Pisa with his finger, from Journey Into Mystery #92:

And large numbers already are quantified as Thor leg presses millions of tons of rock onto the Destroyer, from Journey Into Mystery #119:

After the villain, Graviton, finds his powers uncontrollable, he compresses an entire floating city into a sphere, and Thor, along with several other Avengers, find themselves supporting and then heaving millions of tons of weight into the Atlantic, from Avengers #159:

Thor tows the small island, Hydrobase, into New York harbor, from Avengers #301:

At the conclusion of Acts of Vengeance, Thor closes a chasm of a "million tons of earth" over Loki, fromWest Coast Avengers #55:

Here Thor crushes a force-field of the Power Cosmic (amped by Loki's power) that keeps him from Mjolnir, from Silver Surfer #4:

Here, Thor destroys another of Silver Surfer's force-fields with a single strike, from Silver Surfer #4:

As for pure collateral damage, a single punch met with the same force has leveled a countryside, fromThor #338:

And with repeated blows? Thor and Red Norvell literally wreck Asgard with their fist-fight and almost deafen Heimdall, from Thor #476:

Thor literally matches a Savage Hulk's strength in a grappling contest for an entire hour, from Defenders#10:

Indeed, his punch is so powerful that combined with a punch of equal strength, it is capable of actually closing dimensional rifts, from Avengers #100:

Here, he stalemates immortal Hercules in a contest of arm-wrestling, from Thor #222:

Thor resists a force "as though half a planet" were bearing down on him, from Thor #140:

Thor resists the gravimetric pull akin to "that of a neutron star" and busts out, from Thor #281:

A neutron star has 200 billion times the gravity of earth. That level of acceleration means a neutron star's gravity is faster than light.

Thor actually lifts the Midgard Serpent who is powerful enough to crush the earth. Note that the catastrophic effects of such a feat are actually physically felt on Earth, from Thor #32:

Survives the weight of twenty planets in Thor annual vol 1. #9 :

Thor has resisted extreme ranges of heat throughout his career. Thor doesn't even register a reaction when immersed in lava, from Avengers #5:

Thor walks around inside the furnace of the trolls, whose fires were used to forge Mjolnir, from Thor#211:

Magical fire-bolts engulf Thor to no effect, from Thor #292:

Ghost Rider's pure hellfire blasts are useless in Avengers #214:

Cosmic fire-bolts from the Herald, Firelord, have a similarly negligible effect in Thor #306:

And Thor has literally stood in the center of the Sun while confronting Atum in Thor Annual #14:

On the opposite end of the spectrum, Thor effortlessly resists arctic forces summoned by the Executioner in one of his first fights in Journey Into Mystery #103:

Here, Thor resists the "devastating energy of an exploding sun" from the Executioner's axe, from Journey Into Mystery #103:

Thanos' fleet nails Thor with a salvo of energy blasts and the mere indirect impact knocks both Captain Marvel and Ironman unconscious in Marvel Two-In-One Annual #2:

Thor is not only immune to electricity blasts, but indeed refreshed by them as shown in Thor #288:

One of his most impressive feats, Thor survives being rocked by multiple blasts by the Fourth Host of Celestials, from Thor #300:

Thor's unconscious body isn't even destroyed by a Doomsday Bomb capable of destroying a planet, fromThor #387:

And while empowered by the Odinforce,Thor has resisted the Destroyer's beam of total disintegration inThor vol. 3 #5:

Here, we see Thor flying outside a window and when Jane Foster gets his attention, Thor manages to intercept Cobra's poison dart within a split-second. The dart is fired before he even is inside the room, just to give you the proper frame of reference to understand the speed and reflexes necessary inJourney Into Mystery #98:

Thor digs a trench in a blur of motion that is "almost too fast for the human eye to follow." From Marvel Team-Up #26:

And here, while helping rebuild Asgard, Thor hammers down repeatedly on a pillar and "becomes a blur of motion" in Thor #267:

Thor's reflexes have always allowed to react at lightning speeds faster than the human eye can perceive.Even in a hail of attacks or debris. There's something about this feat is that Thor speed and moves faster than the sight of Heimdall , a god endowed with super-senses , able to hear the grass grow, the sap running in the trees or the beating of the wings of a butterfly on the other side of the galaxy and whose eyes see light years away. Whatever the case, the fineness of Heimdall's senses are greater than those of any being.

Here, Thor fights Heimdall and swings his hammer down on him at speeds "moving too swiftly for the eye to follow," even too fast for Heimdall in Journey Into Mystery#125:

Here, Hela only has to touch Thor in order to ensnare his soul in 1v1 combat, but is unable to do so because of his speed, "His speed, his anger, are beyond comprehension!" From Thor #354:

Here, while fending off two Herald-level foes, Adam Warlock likens his ability to catch his staff mid-swing and his combat speed to that of lightning, "He moves like the lightning he commands, much quicker than I remember." From Infinity Watch #23:

Here, in the space of one and one-fifth seconds, Thor dives out of the sky, smashes Mjolnir down and causes a supersonic shockwave to divert a runaway truck from killing a young boy ACROSS the city inJourney Into Mystery #108:

Here, in the space of micro-seconds before a zooming cursed Mjolnir will strike Thor from behind, Thor lays a haymaker onto an Enchanter and spins around in time to snatch Mjolnir in mid-air, from Thor#144:

Here, Thor is about to have his face smashed by a cursed Mjolnir which is zooming back to him, but he moves swiftly enough on reaction to dodge it inThor vol. 2 #27:

Thor has dug a ditch so fast that neither Quicksilver was valoz enough to escape it (Quicksilver was already in motion before Thor has started digging the trench).

Thor punks Quicksilver once again:

Thor reacts to Wrecker swinging his mystic crowbar onto Thor's head from behind. Literally only inches away, Thor moves so swiftly once again, he snatches the crowbar with his hand in Thor vol. 2 #29:

And it looks like current Thor hasn't lost that bare-handed touch as he catches Bor's axe inches from his face in Thor #600:

With his great speed, without the use of his natural control over the weather, he can create winds of hurricane force or greater- than-hurricane-force air shockwaves in Journey Into Mystery #100 and #84:

Here, he literally snatches a fired tank shell out of mid-air with his bare hand and bats a barrage of them back in Journey Into Mystery #93:

And similarly snatches a fired missile with his bare hand in Marvel Team-Up #148:

Here, with FTB speed, he deflects two bullets with a single swing way back in Journey Into Mystery#100:

Here, he blocks a single bullet with the head of Mjolnir before whirling it to create a field in Thor #246:

And many times again...

Here, Thor flings Mjolnir to the farthest reaches of the galaxy in Thor: Whom The Gods Would Destroy:

And he can fling the hammer many times the speed of light and transcend the boundaries of time and space in Thor #392-393, Thor #140 and Thor #274:

He could also imbue Mjolnir itself with superheat to create an atomic flare attack, from Thor #132:

As for FTL reactions that can be measured in nanoseconds (light travels one foot per nanosecond), he's swung and swatted away Blastaar's energy blasts inThor #270:

Far from a one-off FTL feat, he does the same to Mole Man's energy blaster shot in Marvel Two-In-One#96:

Here, Enchantress shoots a blast at Captain America and Thor reacts with FTL speed to cut off the energy blast in mid-flight, from Marvel Comics Presents#44:

Thor can spin Mjolnlr around fast enough to shield himself from lasers, from Thor #218:

Phoenix shoots a telepathic blast at a groggy Thor at the moment Thor's arms are at his side. AFTER the shot is fired and already traveling at him, Thor raises his arms and reflects it back with Mjolnir. Telepathy being instantaneous traditionally (as noted in the narration), we can assume for the sake of argument that it was only traveling at light-speed, making this another FTL feat, from Excalibur#428:

He can even block a constant barrage of laser vision from Count Nefaria, from Avengers #166:

He bats away a possessed Iron Man's repulsor rays in Avengers vol. 3 #3:

And again bats away ray blasts in a training session in Avengers vol. 3 #23:

and again......

Mjolnir also allows for simulated flight whereby when thrown it could pull it's wielder along. Basically, Thor flies by flinging his hammer really hard and then hanging on for ride:

And no matter what, it's been explained that "Thor can always control the course of his flight," from Thor#400:

In terms of flight speed, he's flown at least three times the speed of light, from Thor #185:

Thor has trapped Hermes the god of speed, and well, that's just say that ... but are spears spears thrown by gods thousands of times stronger than any human, imagine how fast would travel those spears =).

During the saga of Surtur , commissioned by Nick Fury (Nick Fury), Thor reached and surpassed in speed to a spaceship traveling at a speed came many times that of Light and even outside our solar system, Thor increase their 100 times speed to overtake the ship.

Travels from Earth to Sun in a matter of moments:

Saves Rulk from a Black Hole(ANOTHER FTL feat):

Thor intercepted Ego whom was moving at hyperspace speeds:

Catches Ego again after getting shot at by Stranger:

Skyfather Thor blasts Gorr several lightyears and both Thors catch up relatively quick.

Thor flying without Mjolnir.

#123 Edited by BigCimmerian (8317 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12 said:

@bigcimmerian: What does hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah mean

That your post is stupid as hell.

#124 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian: it was an accident post the dude showed a bunch of scans I couldn't counter check yourself before you post things

#125 Posted by BigCimmerian (8317 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12 said:

@bigcimmerian: it was an accident post the dude showed a bunch of scans I couldn't counter check yourself before you post things

I'm checking the scans you posted. Nothing you posted seems to be impressive lol. Superman bench pressing Earth is impressive yes, but nothing compared to worlds being shattered by Mjolnir blows miles away. The rest of your scans I'm not going to comment.

#126 Posted by TheComicPro (249 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001: Finaly someone on Comic vine who show Thor the respect he deserves. Take that Superman fanboys

#127 Edited by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@thecomicpro: why make a thread were the other team can't win and your pic clearly shows your bias that's why you used New52 supes cause you knew he'd lose cause his lack of feats along with WW. I could bring up a large amout of feats if you had used pre52 thor would get stomped. Half the feats mentioned supes could do with ease. Supes is still faster than mjolnir and thor I might just mark this as spite thor fanboy. Don't let that pic fool you I'm an Orion and Swampthing fanboy they will be changed soon thor fanboy

#128 Posted by theONEtaichou (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

Aah yes... nothing is more beautiful than out of context Classic Thor scans that contradict each other. Woooo... good to see CV hasn't changed.

Thor ftl...lol, Wolverine must be mftl! It must be true.

good day

#129 Posted by TheComicPro (249 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12: Dude relax. I just wanted to know who would win no need to get so worked up just because Thor is better you just need to accept that

#130 Edited by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@thecomicpro: wow you really are bias and must hate superman whatever happy new year

#131 Edited by TheComicPro (249 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12: Happy New Year to you too and yes I do hate Supergod

#132 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@thecomicpro: He's not a god I could beat him just give me some kryptonite or teach me magic and supes is done he's not that overrated

#133 Posted by reaverlation (15922 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12: even then you would lose horrifically to Superman lol

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#134 Edited by TheComicPro (249 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12: People say he can defeat he who shall not be named (Goku). That's just not going to happen but anyway I am not going to get started in that topic.

#135 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@thecomicpro: that's why you don't like him supes could beat him but like you said lets not start on the topic that's just not a good reason to dislike a character

#136 Posted by TheComicPro (249 posts) - - Show Bio
#137 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@thecomicpro: Supes and wonder woman only cause there faster and WW has a lot of protection towards magic

#138 Edited by AsgardianXeno929 (841 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12 said:

@thecomicpro: Supes and wonder woman only cause there faster and WW has a lot of protection towards magic

I think Superman's love for slugging it out would be his undoing, since Thor w/ mjolnir is greater striking power and New 52 supes' durability isn't enough for Thor, even counting just marvel now.

IMO Wonderwoman is the mvp for team 1 because of her magic experience, but Loki doesn't fight liker her enemies. He mind rapes, Tricks people, transmutes, goes invisible, intangible, etc.

I see this battle being Superman vs Thor in which they slug it out but Thor's magic lightning and insane damage output being too much for lower durability Superman since he's new 52. And WW vs Loki being WW comes at loki, he is a decoy or teleports, or heck, even getting decapitated just to show that its useless (like he did to balder that i can look up a scan of), and then making a bunch of decoys while real one is invisible.

Or, shorter version would be what he did to Bor vs Thor, making Superman and Wonder Woman see each other as enemies and, since they are morals off, they would kill each other since not even Bor could get through Loki's deception, and Loki and Thor could be made invisible and attack with Lightning and magic attacks without being seen. Buuut, i can also see Superman and Wonder Woman winning too, but pre 52 would have a better chance.

#139 Posted by mikep12 (4142 posts) - - Show Bio

@asgardianxeno929: I also thought pre52 would be better but then WW would be near immune to magic she had to contended to the likes of Circe

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#141 Posted by Vortex14 (65 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12 said:

@bigcimmerian: it was an accident post the dude showed a bunch of scans I couldn't counter check yourself before you post things

I'm checking the scans you posted. Nothing you posted seems to be impressive lol. Superman bench pressing Earth is impressive yes, but nothing compared to worlds being shattered by Mjolnir blows miles away. The rest of your scans I'm not going to comment.

I believe Mjolnir only destroyed planatoid planets, however I think Beta Ray Bill destroyed a planet of such. Still, How Loki effortlessly solo ?

#142 Posted by BigCimmerian (8317 posts) - - Show Bio

@vortex14 said:

@bigcimmerian said:

@mikep12 said:

@bigcimmerian: it was an accident post the dude showed a bunch of scans I couldn't counter check yourself before you post things

I'm checking the scans you posted. Nothing you posted seems to be impressive lol. Superman bench pressing Earth is impressive yes, but nothing compared to worlds being shattered by Mjolnir blows miles away. The rest of your scans I'm not going to comment.

I believe Mjolnir only destroyed planatoid planets, however I think Beta Ray Bill destroyed a planet of such. Still, How Loki effortlessly solo ?

He turns Superman into pig and Diana into lion and then Diana eats him.

#143 Posted by TheComicPro (249 posts) - - Show Bio
#144 Posted by Battle_Forum_Junkie (8009 posts) - - Show Bio

@thecomicpro: I really can't say. I don't know enough about the combatants to debate for one team or the other.