Superman and Hawkman vs Thor and The Sentry

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#1 Edited by ImTheDamnBatman (2758 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Two teams of four powerhouses square off! Morals are off, bloodlust is on. Fight takes place in a large empty field. They start 35 meters apart. Which team walks away alive? (EDIT Hawkman is replaced with Captain Marvel)

#2 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

Two teams of four powerhouses square off! Morals are off, bloodlust is on. Fight takes place in a large empty field. They start 35 meters apart. Which team walks away alive?

Superman<Thor

Hawkman<Sentry

Team 2 stomps.

#3 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

Two teams of four powerhouses square off! Morals are off, bloodlust is on. Fight takes place in a large empty field. They start 35 meters apart. Which team walks away alive?

Superman<Thor

Hawkman<Sentry

Team 2 stomps.

Thor is stronger than Superman?

#4 Edited by nickzambuto (7809 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Hawkman??? He's way out of his league.

#5 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (1934 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Sentry would beat Hawkman and then assist Thor which is what I see.

#6 Posted by LevukaR (94 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

So it's Thor and Sentry vs Superman? Marvel duo wins.

#7 Posted by blackadamFTW (7830 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

Two teams of four powerhouses square off! Morals are off, bloodlust is on. Fight takes place in a large empty field. They start 35 meters apart. Which team walks away alive?

Superman<Thor

Hawkman<Sentry

Team 2 stomps.

First one, no.

Second one, yes.

Hawkman is a non-factor here. As much as I love him, he isn't near the level of these guys.

#8 Posted by Jake Fury (15914 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Does Hawkman have the off panel plot device of doom?

#9 Posted by vuviper (5530 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

I see Superman being overwhelmed in this situation.

#10 Posted by The_Thunderer (2883 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: I'm not sure who to be more afraid of Bloodlusted Thor/ Bloodlusted Superman....i think m99 said he's stronger cos when thor goes bloodlust he uses warriors madness so is much stronger (10x) than superman (assuming they were equal to start with)

#11 Posted by HolySerpent (11728 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Hawkman...really?

#12 Posted by Vaeternus (4024 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Team one, Superman and Hawkman

#13 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

@majestic99 said:

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

Two teams of four powerhouses square off! Morals are off, bloodlust is on. Fight takes place in a large empty field. They start 35 meters apart. Which team walks away alive?

Superman<Thor

Hawkman<Sentry

Team 2 stomps.

First one, no.

Second one, yes.

Hawkman is a non-factor here. As much as I love him, he isn't near the level of these guys.

Superman beats the sh*t out of Thor all day every day...but not quickly enough as Sentry would be the caca out of Hawkman, thus overwhelming the man of steel and giving team 2 a win.

#14 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@The_Thunderer: Thor is not stronger than Superman, and the fair thing is that...if Thor can enter warrior's madness then Superman would sundip; but aside from that, a punch with the strength of Superman coupled with the speed at which Clark can deliver them (near lightspeed) would be ridiculously powerful. If the Flash can deliver earth shattering blows due to his speed and acceleration (with his human strength) then imagine what Supes would do.

#15 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (2758 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

I was under the impression Hawkman was a powerhouse. I probably should have read up on him more, but he seemed impressive to me.

#16 Posted by blackadamFTW (7830 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

I was under the impression Hawkman was a powerhouse. I probably should have read up on him more, but he seemed impressive to me.

He's a BAMF, a good leader, and a isn't weak, but he's not Superman level.

#17 Posted by BigCimmerian (4356 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Sentry and Thor would beat Supes badly

#18 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW: I was under the impression that Hawkman was like Conan the barbarian with wings

#19 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (2758 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Alright, let's switch Hawkman with Captain Marvel. How does it go down now?

#20 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@ImTheDamnBatman: if you switch Hawkman with Billy Batson then it would be an awesome freakin fight that would test everyone....but Supes and Captain Marvel would take it.

#21 Posted by BigCimmerian (4356 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

@blackadamFTW: I was under the impression that Hawkman was like Conan the barbarian with wings

Except the thing that Conan would beat Hawkman lol

#22 Posted by blackadamFTW (7830 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

Alright, let's switch Hawkman with Captain Marvel. How does it go down now?

Team 1 would win, then.

#23 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@majestic99 said:

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

Two teams of four powerhouses square off! Morals are off, bloodlust is on. Fight takes place in a large empty field. They start 35 meters apart. Which team walks away alive?

Superman<Thor

Hawkman<Sentry

Team 2 stomps.

Thor is stronger than Superman?

hes a thor fanboy, dont mind him

#24 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

team 1 stomps

#25 Posted by blackadamFTW (7830 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

@Jayfournines said:

@blackadamFTW: I was under the impression that Hawkman was like Conan the barbarian with wings

Except the thing that Conan would beat Hawkman lol

I think not.

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

team 1 stomps

Are you talking about Supes and Hawk or Supes and Billy?

#26 Posted by BigCimmerian (4356 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Jayfournines said:

@blackadamFTW: I was under the impression that Hawkman was like Conan the barbarian with wings

Except the thing that Conan would beat Hawkman lol

I think not.

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

team 1 stomps

Are you talking about Supes and Hawk or Supes and Billy?

Believe me, Conan decapitates him easily

#27 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW: I think Supes and Billy...cause Supes and Hawman would get owned

#28 Edited by blackadamFTW (7830 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

@blackadamFTW said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Jayfournines said:

@blackadamFTW: I was under the impression that Hawkman was like Conan the barbarian with wings

Except the thing that Conan would beat Hawkman lol

I think not.

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

team 1 stomps

Are you talking about Supes and Hawk or Supes and Billy?

Believe me, Conan decapitates him easily

How does he decapitate someone who fly?

@Jayfournines: I hope so.

#29 Posted by BigCimmerian (4356 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@blackadamFTW said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Jayfournines said:

@blackadamFTW: I was under the impression that Hawkman was like Conan the barbarian with wings

Except the thing that Conan would beat Hawkman lol

I think not.

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

team 1 stomps

Are you talking about Supes and Hawk or Supes and Billy?

Believe me, Conan decapitates him easily

How does he decapitate someone who fly?

@Jayfournines: I hope so.

Well Hawk must come near Conan to strike and Conan can dodge arrows after they are fired by seeing the reflection, when he comes near it's over

#30 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian: I smell a new thread lol

#31 Posted by blackadamFTW (7830 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian: Hawkman can just throw his mace through his head.

#32 Posted by BigCimmerian (4356 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

@BigCimmerian: Hawkman can just throw his mace through his head.

Conan dodges arrows after they are fired, dodging that mace would be easy

#33 Posted by blackadamFTW (7830 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

@blackadamFTW said:

@BigCimmerian: Hawkman can just throw his mace through his head.

Conan dodges arrows after they are fired, dodging that mace would be easy

Nightwing has dodged bullets, and I'm pretty sure Hawkman can beat Nightwing.

#34 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (6004 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Besides the Thor fanboyism and Hawkman hate, Team 1 loses due to Hawkman not being as strong, as fast or as durable as the competition .... kinda a letdown ..... oh well ... Team two overwhelms Superman after one shotting Hawkman

#35 Posted by ClarkAllen (81 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

Hawkman : There is, however, one significantly unique weapon Carter employs occasionally: the Claw of Horus. Constructed of Nth metal by Prince Khufu in ancient Egypt, it was delivered to the newly resurrected Carter Hall by the time-displaced Jay Garrick in JSA Book 3: "The Return of Hawkman". Later, in Superman-Batman Book 1: "Public Enemies", Hawkman used it to defeat Superman, using its Nth metal to channel the Earth's gravitational field. As he explained to Superman, "Essentially, I just hit you with the planet."

Can he use this? Also, wouldn't Hawkman's mace go against Thor's invulnerability ? Since the N-th metal defies magic? I'm not actually saying team one would win just adding to the debate

#36 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@ClarkAllen: ooooh yeah...the claw of PIS, I forgot about that

#37 Posted by Floopay (5631 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@majestic99 said:

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

Two teams of four powerhouses square off! Morals are off, bloodlust is on. Fight takes place in a large empty field. They start 35 meters apart. Which team walks away alive?

Superman<Thor

Hawkman<Sentry

Team 2 stomps.

Thor is stronger than Superman?

hes a thor fanboy, dont mind him

Thor is stronger than Superman I believe, at least pre-Runeking and without Warrior Madness, Thor was stronger than current Superman (lifting power and strength-based striking power and only with his Belt of Strength). However, Superman is faster (which I think evens out their striking power), I would give him a durability advantage (some may disagree here), I think Thor's reflexes could match Superman's, Thor takes Superman in travel speed (which is useless in a fight and I acknowledge that), Thor win in Energy attacks (Heat rays are pretty powerful, but his magical lightning and god blasts win), and Thor has energy absorption and some matter/energy manipulation (which I think would be useless in this fight).

That being said I do believe they are roughly equals in a fight. Thor would probably lose if Mjonlir wasn't made of a mystical material, and if his lightning wasn't magic (or cosmic, I always forget which, but they aren't normal lightning) and could actually hurt Supes I believe (because he is vunlerable, and in some incarnations weak against, magic). However, it is part of his character and for that reason alone I give him the win (5.5 out of 10 battles).

So collectively in both Strength and Versatility I believe team 2 wins. In terms of speed I think team 1 wins. However, overall I believe Team 1 is a stronger team than Team 2. So I will give it to them 7/10. Because regardless if this is team vs. team, or Supes vs. Thor/Hawkman vs. Sentry, or Hawkman vs. Thor and Superman vs. Sentry, I believe Hawkman will go down first in the fight and then it will be 2 vs. 1.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#38 Posted by terry2012 (4619 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@Jayfournines: This is true.

#39 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

Thor is stronger than Superman?

Yes.

@blackadamFTW said:

First one, no.

Second one, yes.

Hawkman is a non-factor here. As much as I love him, he isn't near the level of these guys.

First one, yes.

Thor outclasses Superman in more areas than Superman outclasses Thor(which is reactionary speed).

Reactionary speed is irrelevant though, considering the fact that Thor can travel tens of thousands of times FTL, and Supes has never reacted to something moving that fast.

@Jayfournines said:

@The_Thunderer: Thor is not stronger than Superman, and the fair thing is that...if Thor can enter warrior's madness then Superman would sundip; but aside from that, a punch with the strength of Superman coupled with the speed at which Clark can deliver them (near lightspeed) would be ridiculously powerful. If the Flash can deliver earth shattering blows due to his speed and acceleration (with his human strength) then imagine what Supes would do.

Superman isn't going to sundip, this isn't a fight with prep.

#40 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

hes a thor fanboy, dont mind him

No I'm not.

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

team 1 stomps

Superman and Hawkman don't stomp. Hawkman is a non factor.

#41 Posted by blackadamFTW (7830 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@majestic99: Superman has reacted to Flash, who is billions or trillions of time FTL. He doesn't out rank him in strength, most certainly. Thor has a more diserve powerset, but by the time he tries to use any, Supes can just speed blitz him. Give me more reasons. I'm interested.

#42 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

@majestic99: Superman has reacted to Flash, who is billions or trillions of time FTL. He doesn't out rank him in strength, most certainly. Thor has a more diserve powerset, but by the time he tries to use any, Supes can just speed blitz him. Give me more reasons. I'm interested.

1. Yes Superman has reacted to Wally West, but never to Wally moving at billions of times FTL. Just because a certain character can travel billions of times FTL doesn't mean said character always attacks someone by moving at billions of times FTL.

2. The claim has often been made that Superman is stronger than Thor. Thor has performed feats such as lifting the World Serpent, and once hurled the Odinsword, an enormous mystical blade, through a Celestial,Thor has also single-handedly matched the strength of the Hulk on numerous occasions (the Marvel Universe’s strongest character). Not only that but Thor is capable of entering into a state known as the “Warrior’s Madness”, which will temporarily increase his strength tenfold. Some of these feats have no true equivalent in the DC universe. Neither character have shown upper limits to their strength, so this in this area is a draw.

3.Yeah, except Thor can travel faster than Superman. And again, Superman has never reacted to something moving at tens of thousands of times FTL. So Thor could speedblitz Superman.

4. Thor can just create force fields to shield himself from Superman's blows(shields which Supes can't shatter). Thor's force fields have contained the Life Bomb(destroyed 1/5 of the universe), and Life Bomb>Superman's punches(in terms of force).

5. You've already agreed on the diverse powerset, so I'm not going to waste my time listing the countless ways Thor can defeat Supes.

#43 Posted by texasdeathmatch (12571 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

Ah, now I remember why I had to take a break from this site.
 
All of a sudden Thor's faster than Superman...yet you had to give him the Speedforce in so many threads to make fights "even."

#44 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch said:

Ah, now I remember why I had to take a break from this site. All of a sudden Thor's faster than Superman...yet you had to give him the Speedforce in so many threads to make fights "even."

Learned my lesson...giving Thor the Odin Force and Speed Force and bloodlusted curbstomps Superman.....no more speed force threads by me.

#45 Posted by blackadamFTW (7830 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@blackadamFTW said:

@majestic99: Superman has reacted to Flash, who is billions or trillions of time FTL. He doesn't out rank him in strength, most certainly. Thor has a more diserve powerset, but by the time he tries to use any, Supes can just speed blitz him. Give me more reasons. I'm interested.

1. Yes Superman has reacted to Wally West, but never to Wally moving at billions of times FTL. Just because a certain character can travel billions of times FTL doesn't mean said character always attacks someone by moving at billions of times FTL.

2. The claim has often been made that Superman is stronger than Thor. Thor has performed feats such as lifting the World Serpent, and once hurled the Odinsword, an enormous mystical blade, through a Celestial,Thor has also single-handedly matched the strength of the Hulk on numerous occasions (the Marvel Universe’s strongest character). Not only that but Thor is capable of entering into a state known as the “Warrior’s Madness”, which will temporarily increase his strength tenfold. Some of these feats have no true equivalent in the DC universe. Neither character have shown upper limits to their strength, so this in this area is a draw.

3.Yeah, except Thor can travel faster than Superman. And again, Superman has never reacted to something moving at tens of thousands of times FTL. So Thor could speedblitz Superman.

4. Thor can just create force fields to shield himself from Superman's blows(shields which Supes can't shatter). Thor's force fields have contained the Life Bomb(destroyed 1/5 of the universe), and Life Bomb>Superman's punches(in terms of force).

5. You've already agreed on the diverse powerset, so I'm not going to waste my time listing the countless ways Thor can defeat Supes.

Supes sped up his reaction time to that of Wally, and everything was at a stand still. That's impressive, and the fact that he can match Flash's reaction is impressive as well.

Hulk? Strongest Marvel character? I think not. Supes can close a rip in reality with his hands. That's pretty fuggin' strong. Even if Thor is stronger, (which he isn't), Supes has phased through punches from Doomsday, and phased through Cyborg Superman's chest.

How powerful is the life bomb? Can it destroy half the galaxy? Because Supes has been able to absorb the energy of a bomb that could destroy half a galaxy.

So this is how I see it going. They meet, they trash talk a bit getting a him pissed, and he speed blitzes Thor and either punches him to death in a couple of seconds or phases through him. If not he uses his heat vision that's he can make as hot as he wants. He's survived a supernova, flown threw a planet, and as I said before he's close rips in reality with his heat vision and his hands, so I doubt anything Thor throws at him will do anything.

#46 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (2758 posts) - 11 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

I have always heard that Superman is faster than Thor. If I'm not mistaken, Supes can travel near light speed when he really gets going, could Thor do that?

#47 Posted by joshuagamer (568 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Team one. Supes can destroy either team 2 member. Hawkman is way out of his league, so give him the Claw of Horus to even things up more. The claw allows him to channel the strength of Earth into a punch(s). It's essentially like hitting someone with planet earth.

#48 Edited by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW:

if Hulk is the strongest character in the MU i'm mother Teresa

#49 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@majestic99: again, if Juggernaut, Hulk and Sentry can punch Thor, then Superman can, there is no 'unbreakable, unbeatable' force field for Thor, otherwise he wouldnot have died. If you claim Superman cannot break his force field you need to prove so, stating it many times over does not make it true.

#50 Posted by BigCimmerian (4356 posts) - 11 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@blackadamFTW said:

@BigCimmerian: Hawkman can just throw his mace through his head.

Conan dodges arrows after they are fired, dodging that mace would be easy

Nightwing has dodged bullets, and I'm pretty sure Hawkman can beat Nightwing.

Conan is stronger and faster than Nightwing, more durable too

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