vs
Fight on unpopulated alternate-reality Earth. Hulk can use WWH and WBH feats.
Superman and Hal are pre-52 versions. Thor is classic version. Everyone in character.
Win by KO, death, or permanent incapacitation.
Who wins?
vs
Fight on unpopulated alternate-reality Earth. Hulk can use WWH and WBH feats.
Superman and Hal are pre-52 versions. Thor is classic version. Everyone in character.
Win by KO, death, or permanent incapacitation.
Who wins?
Team 1
Thor and Hulk wins as even though the Dc characters speed will be a big issue, the fact that Thor is entirely magic based means he will be a big factor in favour of the marvel win. WBH is really being overlooked in this, as his shear destructive output could cause damage to the Dc side, and not mention WBH fought Sentry till they both turned back to there human forms. And the fact that Sentry is a probably Marvel's equal to Superman, but even a bit better shows that WBH is more than a match for both characters as Superman is a character who tries to test his opponents to see if they can match him hit for hit and they will be more than a match.
Thor and Hulk wins as even though the Dc characters speed will be a big issue, the fact that Thor is entirely magic based means he will be a big factor in favour of the marvel win. WBH is really being overlooked in this, as his shear destructive output could cause damage to the Dc side, and not mention WBH fought Sentry till they both turned back to there human forms. And the fact that Sentry is a probably Marvel's equal to Superman, but even a bit better shows that WBH is more than a match for both characters as Superman is a character who tries to test his opponents to see if they can match him hit for hit and they will be more than a match.
Superman doesn't try to 'test' people he doesn't like to fight and only does it when he has to, and only cuts lose when they are stronger than his base strength. But What does Thor's magic have to do with this battle? And what's to stop Green lantern from just opening up a wormhole and throwing them to the other side of the milky way?
Thor and Hulk wins as even though the Dc characters speed will be a big issue, the fact that Thor is entirely magic based means he will be a big factor in favour of the marvel win. WBH is really being overlooked in this, as his shear destructive output could cause damage to the Dc side, and not mention WBH fought Sentry till they both turned back to there human forms. And the fact that Sentry is a probably Marvel's equal to Superman, but even a bit better shows that WBH is more than a match for both characters as Superman is a character who tries to test his opponents to see if they can match him hit for hit and they will be more than a match.
Superman doesn't try to 'test' people he doesn't like to fight and only does it when he has to, and only cuts lose when they are stronger than his base strength. But What does Thor's magic have to do with this battle? And what's to stop Green lantern from just opening up a wormhole and throwing them to the other side of the milky way?
Team 1 wins, I agree... But can you please post scans of Hal opening wormholes, just want to see thats all.....
@deathandgrim: yes he does he could beat hal on his own and rough up superman especially if world breaker and wwhulk.
Pre-52 isn't quite descriptive enough, obviously you probably don't mean parallax or spectre Hal, and you probably mean post-crisis clark, but technically those could all apply. Despite that I'd still say DC team, too much speed/versatility.
BTW I know that's tim Daly, but is that nathan fillion as GL? haha that mask is excellent
@dorukesin: yeah remember that time superman ripped darkseid's head off and threw luthor into that black hole right before backing handing Lois for stepping out of line violence is exactly what supes is about all of these things are what clark does in character he never just trades blows with a strong opponent while trying not to kill them he just kills them instantly yep that's clark for you the kyptonian killing machine that's exactly what he would do.
@dondave: no way do they stomp the match is a toss up hulk and thor are an even fight either hulk or thor could beat green lantern and either of them would be tough for superman.
this would be a lot like gl and supes vs doomsday and captain marvel either side could win.
@comic_book_fan: i didn't read the OP.OP said everyone in character(which means no bloodlust too) so yes Superman is the weak link there because of his emotional attachments.Probably he's going to talk with Hulk to solve their problems
but Hal solos on permanent BFR via
@dorukesin: thor and hulk could break that and thor could teleport or absorb that energy if they couldn't I will post scans later I have to use system restore on my computer everytime I want to change my avatar or post a scan if I try now the screen gets shaded and I have to refresh everything.
@dorukesin: thor and hulk could break that and thor could teleport or absorb that energy if they couldn't I will post scans later I have to use system restore on my computer everytime I want to change my avatar or post a scan if I try now the screen gets shaded and I have to refresh everything.
Martian Manhunter > Thor and Hulk dude,thats unquestionable.You can't break Jordan's will so damn easily.Especially don't forget Thor and Hulk is in character too
@dorukesin: manhuner isn't stronger than hulk or thor hulk is much stronger and thor is just as strong if not a little stronger.
@dorukesin: manhuner isn't stronger than hulk or thor hulk is much stronger and thor is just as strong if not a little stronger.
@dorukesin: how about you show me something manhunter can do hulk can't.
and wonderwoman and manhunter has broke his constructs before.
@comic_book_fan: Hal can slow down time to within a fraction of a nanosecond and teleport Hulk into the Sun, to Oa, Inside his Lantern, inside his ring or just leave him in a pocket dimension. So yes, Team 1 Stomps
@dondave: then thor could open up a portal to what ever dimension hal sent him and bring hulk back and do you really want to send someone who's strength and durability increases to no limits and who gets stronger by it's anger and the amount of gamma radiation it absorbs to the freakin sun really not the best ideal because he just might survive and if he does he would be highly pissed off and would have absorbed a lot of gamma radiation.
and thor could send superman to another dimension as well so no they don't stomp.
@comic_book_fan: you asked and i'll teach you some respect
In this picture,The White Martian ZüM(who is much more slower than J'onn) passes Wally while running even for that,Wally one shotted White Martian in end of the tunnel(Respect)
White Martian blitzed Superman + Green Lantern at the same time
White Martian blitzed Superman before he reacts
White Martian blitzed the Wally,Wonder Woman,Green Lantern in the same time
A White Martian named Tronix one-shots Wonder Woman
Destroying 3 facalities on 3 separate continents while also blitzing at least 6 white martians across the globe (who's blitzed the flash,green lantern,wonder woman and superman)
Telepathically disabled Spectre's mind,who has tremendous godly resistance
Telepathically disabled BA's mind who has tremendous godly resistance to TP
Able to restrain justice league members simultaneously
Can penetrate SUPERBOY PRIME's godly invulnerability effortless,actually one shotted him(Sole Survivor of Mars,there's a reason for that.)
Fried wally's brain who is much more faster than speed of thought in theory
Guardians created psychological fear of fire and revealing he has conquired his psychological weakness(His weakness is all psychological,fire can't hurt or harm him)
can use martian vision while intangile
Takes Despero down
J'onn stops Maxima, Bronze Tiger, Gypsy, Blue Beetle with one telepathic word. Notable because Maxima is among them, and she's among DC's more famous telepaths when she's not trying to get knocked up by Superman.
Ejected out of a spaceship moving at 8 times the speed of light (stated as such on the first scan)
Stated to have traveled acrossed "innumerable" light years, which would necessitate FTL flight.
Defuses a twister with his speed and later creates a substitute for uranium miners in his spare time. Because he can do stuff like that.
Telepathically scouring the minds of everyone on Earth; nearly all of them had superpowers courtesy of Dr. Destiny's reality warping.
He can switch off his telepathy whenever he wants.(that makes him immune to his physicological fire weakness)
Telepathically bitch-slapped Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Aquaman
Later on, they regress back to being apes mentally and Superman, Flash and Aquaman try to court Wonder Woman, so it falls on J'onn to give them yet another telepathic bitch-slap. The slave of duty and all that.
Shrinking himself down to the size of a atom and entering a man's Starro-infested bloodstream.
J'onn shapeshifts into Hulk and fu*king with him
J'onn shapeshifts into Tony Stark
@dorukesin: these are all good scans but some of them are questionable
white Martian passing flash was because he was messing with flash's head. and the white Martians aren't manhunter and you left out a scan that proves he is faster than them.
the one where he used tp on flash was wasn't because he thought faster than flash could run it was because flash was carrying him and not trying to hurt him so he had time to use his power before they reached there destination
the specter feat has been called into question way too much to take it as a fact that he can beat specter and most of specter's feats would suggest other wise .
he lost that fight against superboy prime.
a lot of these was when he was possed by his brother.
although those shape shifting scans made me like him a lot more the cookie one is funny.
but I was only questioning his strength and I see nothing that puts him over hulk or thor.
@dorukesin: these are all good scans but some of them are questionable
white Martian passing flash was because he was messing with flash's head. and the white Martians aren't manhunter and you left out a scan that proves he is faster than them.
the one where he used tp on flash was wasn't because he thought faster than flash could run it was because flash was carrying him and not trying to hurt him so he had time to use his power before they reached there destination
the specter feat has been called into question way too much to take it as a fact that he can beat specter and most of specter's feats would suggest other wise .
he lost that fight against superboy prime.
a lot of these was when he was possed by his brother.
although those shape shifting scans made me like him a lot more the cookie one is funny.
1.No they are running around the world,Wally just didn't want to tap into speed force first then he taps and IMP'd him.Understood,you wasn't read the issue you just look at the cutted scenes.
2.No Wally's have a little injury there.Understood,you wasn't read that issue too.
3.It's not specter,it's spectre.Also no,you are wrong again
4.Wrong again.He wasn't lose that fight,thats the end of scan
anyway im done there,good day
@comic_book_fan: Sending Hulk into the Sun isn't to kill him, the guy can't fly, he's not coming back into the battle anytime soon and like I said, Hal can just leave him on Oa, inside his Lantern or Ring.
Thor would need to able to react to superman to BFR him and with his spotty track record, I dont see it happening.
@dorukesin: these are all good scans but some of them are questionable
white Martian passing flash was because he was messing with flash's head. and the white Martians aren't manhunter and you left out a scan that proves he is faster than them.
the one where he used tp on flash was wasn't because he thought faster than flash could run it was because flash was carrying him and not trying to hurt him so he had time to use his power before they reached there destination
the specter feat has been called into question way too much to take it as a fact that he can beat specter and most of specter's feats would suggest other wise .
he lost that fight against superboy prime.
a lot of these was when he was possed by his brother.
although those shape shifting scans made me like him a lot more the cookie one is funny.
1.No they are running around the world,Wally just didn't want to tap into speed force first then he taps and IMP'd him.Understood,you wasn't read the issue you just look at the cutted scenes.
2.No Wally's have a little injury there.Understood,you wasn't read that issue too.
3.It's not specter,it's spectre.Also no,you are wrong again
4.Wrong again.He wasn't lose that fight,thats the end of scan
anyway im done there,good day
it says in the scan that the white Martian created strobe that was messing with his head.
and if wally wanted to hurt him he would have just hit him full force he was trying to stop him without doing any real harm.
well the point is he didn't beat superboy prime.
and my main point is there is reasons for most of these scans other than manhunter beats them all because he is more powerful.
@dondave: superman can't one shot thor and superman isn't so much faster he is going to get hundreds of shots on him before thor can react he will get 2 may be 3 per thor shot and 3 punches won't take thor down and thor could retrieve hulk from the sun or where ever hal sent him.
Why is this becoming a Martian Manhunter thread all of a sudden? Still it beats Martian Manhunter battles turning into Superman threads.
And the answer is still, as it always is, Team 1. A very solid majority to say the least. Hal goes to BFR Hulk in space or in the sun to prevent him from coming back whilst Superman speedblitzes the hell out of Thor whose street level at best reactions and combat speed are nowhere near Superman's level of speed. So he takes Thor down whilst Hal handles Hulk. Simple as that.
@comic_book_fan: I never said Superman would one shot Thor.
Superman can get hundreds of hits in before Thor can react, he's been able to walk around in a fraction of a nanosecond like it ws real time, Thor has no chance of reacting to a serious Superman.
Thor won't be able to retrieve Hulk while he's being blitzed by Clark and its not like Hal is going to tell him where he sent him.
@comic_book_fan said:
it says in the scan that the white Martian created strobe that was messing with his head.
and if wally wanted to hurt him he would have just hit him full force he was trying to stop him without doing any real harm.
well the point is he didn't beat superboy prime.
and my main point is there is reasons for most of these scans other than manhunter beats them all because he is more powerful.
hahahah its not about telepathy,Wally messed up because ZüM is so damn fast.Read the Wally's box,"Dozens of him,modulating the frequency of his afterimages to create a strobe flicker,FREQUENCIES messing with my head."
and yes Wally tapped into the speedforce and hit with IMP to ZüM after that.
@comic_book_fan: I never said Superman would one shot Thor.
Superman can get hundreds of hits in before Thor can react, he's been able to walk around in a fraction of a nanosecond like it ws real time, Thor has no chance of reacting to a serious Superman.
Thor won't be able to retrieve Hulk while he's being blitzed by Clark and its not like Hal is going to tell him where he sent him.
Where has Superman landed hundreds of hits (effective mind you) before a microsecond (classic Thor's best confirmed reaction feat) has passed?
@dondave: thor's hammer has traversed the entire galaxy in under 60 seconds that is a distance of 120000 light years in 60 seconds and once it was cursed and was going to smash into him and he was able to dodge it he can freeze and turn back time if he wants granted lantern can as well but these teams are evenly matched.
@dondave: thor's hammer has traversed the entire galaxy in under 60 seconds that is a distance of 120000 light years in 60 seconds and once it was cursed and was going to smash into him and he was able to dodge it he can freeze and turn back time if he wants granted lantern can as well but these teams are evenly matched.
When has he time manipulated? And no I don't think Hulk is suited for this type of fight.
@dondave: thor's hammer has traversed the entire galaxy in under 60 seconds that is a distance of 120000 light years in 60 seconds and once it was cursed and was going to smash into him and he was able to dodge it he can freeze and turn back time if he wants granted lantern can as well but these teams are evenly matched.
Are you referring to I Whom the Gods Would Destroy?
Mjolnir also had time travelling capabilities, from
Journey Into Mystery
#85:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...-TimeTravel.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...-TimeTravel.jpg
He time travels again in
Journey Into Mystery
#102:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ravelJIM102.jpg
Mjolnir's time-travel capabilities spanned from the distant past to the far future, as shown in
Journey Into Mystery
#122:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ravelJIM122.jpg
Here, he overcomes a time funnel created by Pluto and transports everyone back into the 20th century, from
Thor
#164:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...meTravel164.jpg
Eventually, Thor was tricked by Immortus to sacrifice Mjolnir's time-travelling powers. This was later revealed to be part of a long-winded plot that culminated in the
Destiny War
affair. From
Thor
#282:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...meTravel282.jpg
However, Mjolnir's time powers weren't just limited to time travel. He's used Mjolnir to reverse time itself in
Thor
#178:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...meTravel178.jpg
Mjolnir's also been used to stop time in localized areas several times. The first time he does it, he stops all time from passing in a house to save Jane Foster in
Journey Into Mystery
#110:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...anipulation.jpg
The time-freeze can also prevent powerful entities from using their powers. Here, Thor freezes time around Odin's body and Hela cannot pierce it in
Thor
#198-99:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...meFreeze198.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...meFreeze199.jpg
Mjolnir can protect himself and others from being frozen in time, a reverse time-freeze, if you will, from
Marvel Team-Up
#7:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...imeFreezeMa.jpg
These latter powers of freezing time weren't stripped along with Mjolnir's time-travelling capabilities. This is inarguable because a whole decade after
Thor
#282, Thor again freezes time around the Black Knight with a "time dislocation" in
Avengers
#300:
When has he time manipulated? And no I don't think Hulk is suited for this type of fight.
@dondave: yeah that's the story it is from.
@comic_book_fan: I never said Superman would one shot Thor.
Superman can get hundreds of hits in before Thor can react, he's been able to walk around in a fraction of a nanosecond like it ws real time, Thor has no chance of reacting to a serious Superman.
Thor won't be able to retrieve Hulk while he's being blitzed by Clark and its not like Hal is going to tell him where he sent him.
Where has Superman landed hundreds of hits (effective mind you) before a microsecond (classic Thor's best confirmed reaction feat) has passed?
Microsecond reaction speed is still fairly below Superman, Thor threw the punch in the space of a few Microseconds, meanwhile Superman was able to this:
Superman is literally over a 1000x times faster than Thor, I see no reason as to why he wouldn't be able to throw hundreds of punches at Thor even if he has Microsecond reaction time.
@dondave: I got it from a respect thread but going by what he said when he flung it I would say so.
Yeah , the problem with respect threads is that they don't always give context or may just misinterpret the scans. Odin sent Mjolnir back to Thor before the 60 seconds were up. Also Thor wanted to commit suicide and threw the hammer to the ends of the galaxy because he knew it would take more than 60 seconds to return and would allow him to turn back into Donald Blake and kill himself.
Where has Superman landed hundreds of hits (effective mind you) before a microsecond (classic Thor's best confirmed reaction feat) has passed?
Microsecond reaction speed is still fairly below Superman, Thor threw the punch in the space of a few Microseconds, meanwhile Superman was able to this:
Superman is literally over a 1000x times faster than Thor, I see no reason as to why he wouldn't be able to throw hundreds of punches at Thor even if he has Microsecond reaction time.
So he hasn't? Having a dialog for sake of story/plot is one thing, actually hitting someone so often and with sufficient force is quite another.
@dondave: oh ok thinks for explaining that I thought thor seemed to be surprised by how fast it came back.
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