Superman and Gladiator vs World War Hulk, Doomsday and Solomon Grundy
1. Morals on. Fight takes place on an abandoned planet.
2. No Morals. Bloodlusted. Fight takes place on same abandoned planet.





Team 2 wrecks. Gladiator`s power level fluctuates in which it basically depends on his confidence level and he will probably begin to lose confidence once he fights Doomsday or WWH. Team 1 can`t put down Doomsday for good, Solomon Grundy alone is going to be a problem due to his raw strength, durability and regeneration. Superman loses to WWH or Doomsday pretty badly and Team 2 will overwhelm Gladiator.
Round 1 team 2 takes it.
Round 2 Team 1 takes it but with a lot of difficulty
1.No, it doesn't.Team 2 wrecks. Gladiator`s power level fluctuates in which it basically depends on his confidence level and he will probably begin to lose confidence once he fights Doomsday or WWH. Team 1 can`t put down Doomsday for good, Solomon Grundy alone is going to be a problem due to his raw strength, durability and regeneration. Superman loses to WWH or Doomsday pretty badly and Team 2 will overwhelm Gladiator.
@czarny_samael666: It does matter and it has been proven that`s what separates Gladiator as a character as well. How are they suppose to put down Doomsday for good? I did not say he was immune to physical damage but brute force won`t cut it.
You are also forgetting about WWH.
Their not soloing at all.
Seriously, You're third person with whom I have this debate in last two days!!!@czarny_samael666: It does matter and it has been proven that`s what separates Gladiator as a character as well. How are they suppose to put down Doomsday for good? I did not say he was immune to physical damage but brute force won`t cut it.
You are also forgetting about WWH.
Their not soloing at all.
@czarny_samael666: If Gladiator sees that he can`t put down Doomsday or WWH his power will begin to decrease as it is proven that his power level is connected to his level of confidence. It might not happen right away but it will happen. Doomsday will return like he always does and his regenerative powers are ridicously impressive. He adapts and evolves, I don`t see what physical force is going to do, when individuals such as Darkseid and Superman had trouble. Imperiex was able to take care of him but only temporarily. I don`t see what they could do regardless of speed, are they going to BFR them? Beat them down to death? Throw or destroy the planet?
Am I missing something here?
Neither Hulk or Grundy have any form of super speed, and Grundy was easily taken out by Superman on various occasions. Grundy's pretty much a non-factor here. Hulk is not fast enough keep up with Gladiator and Superman, he gets blitzed. Superman has already defeated Doomsday on separate occasions, with Gladiator's help, it'll be easier.
I have no clue why people are saying Team 2 stomps.
How it was proven? By who? In which comics? It WON'T happen. It doesn't work in that way. He wasn't afraid of going on Ego nor Tyrant and both were more powerfull than he was.@czarny_samael666: If Gladiator sees that he can`t put down Doomsday or WWH his power will begin to decrease as it is proven that his power level is connected to his level of confidence. It might not happen right away but it will happen. Doomsday will return like he always does and his regenerative powers are ridicously impressive. He adapts and evolves, I don`t see what physical force is going to do, when individuals such as Darkseid and Superman had trouble. Imperiex was able to take care of him but only temporarily. I don`t see what they could do regardless of speed, are they going to BFR them? Beat them down to death? Throw or destroy the planet?
@czarny_samael666: Its connected to his power-set. Which Doomsday are you thinking of? Because, Doomsday killed Superman and Doomsday always returns regardless. They are significantly faster but that doesn`t necessarily mean they could put down very durable and powerful opponents such as WWH or Doomsday. They will eventually slow down and Team 2`s punchers are going to cause some major damage especially Doomsday.
Depending on which version of Doomsday this is, he could possibly solo.
@NeonGameWave said:
@czarny_samael666: If Gladiator sees that he can`t put down Doomsday or WWH his power will begin to decrease as it is proven that his power level is connected to his level of confidence. It might not happen right away but it will happen. Doomsday will return like he always does and his regenerative powers are ridicously impressive. He adapts and evolves, I don`t see what physical force is going to do, when individuals such as Darkseid and Superman had trouble. Imperiex was able to take care of him but only temporarily. I don`t see what they could do regardless of speed, are they going to BFR them? Beat them down to death? Throw or destroy the planet?
Gladiator's confidence dropping is a sore excuse for people who don't like to admit that his feats put him equal to (if not above) Superman.
Gladiator has fought way tougher opponents like Tyrant and his confidence held up just fine. He punched him, HV'd him, etc and held up better than any of the Heralds. It's only when characters that pull things off that they shouldn't be doing when he loses confidence (Cannonball, Cap disguised as Reed).
Superman exists as a Fictional Character in Marvel, so if Gladiator were to fight him, he'd have a basic idea of what he'd be up against. His confidence issues would only help him in this type of situation, ie believing that he can be better than Superman.
Touching on Kallrk's H2H - There once was an entire race of Strontonians. All of them just as capable as Gladiator. Kallark himself was the best of the best in all areas of combat, therefore he took on the role of Gladiator. This can be found in War of Kings.
Hyperion has also noted that Kallark's H2H is formidable.
Speed means exactly that, because before Hulk or Grundy will think about anything, they will already be down.@czarny_samael666: Its connected to his power-set. Which Doomsday are you thinking of? Because, Doomsday killed Superman and Doomsday always returns regardless. They are significantly faster but that doesn`t necessarily mean they could put down very durable and powerful opponents such as WWH or Doomsday. They will eventually slow down and Team 2`s punchers are going to cause some major damage especially Doomsday.
Doomsday seems to to be the only problem here,WWH gets blitzed and besides even in a head on fight he looses to either Gladiator or Superman and as everyone agrees,Grundy is a non-factor. So as metioned they both take out Doomsday after. The end.
Both Hulk and Grundy get BFR'd, Doomsday evolved to be able to fly and has super speed so he is the only one who actually has a chance. Against both Superman and Gladiator, unlikely.
Team 1 wins round 1
Supes can solo round two
Any 2 from Team 2 is enough...why overkill?
Some modifications that should be made:
1) Replace Grundy with Juggernaut.
2) Remove BFR...Always remove BFR when including Superman (or Superman like characters) against non-flight characters as that always remains an outcome.
As for the current scenario:
1) Team 2 wins. Supes with morals on will be the end of him against WWH and Doomsday, Grundy just adds salt to the wound.
2) Team 1 I would say takes it...not sure. Grundy defo gets vaporized in the first few seconds.
@ToO_RaW: I believe Gladiator is above Superman and I never attempted to use the reason as a poor excuse but I was only telling the truth in regards to his power set.
Point taken.
I don`t see how that equates as a win against opponents like Doomsday.
He is very good in H2H, I never denied it nor did I ever question it but I don`t see how raw force and H2H skills is going to be enough to put down the opposing team, Doomsday in particular.
Good point and I agree.
@GodDamnIronMan said:
Any 2 from Team 2 is enough...why overkill?
Not really. Hulk isn't a match for Superman and Grundy isn't consistent and has been blitzed into the Sun by Bizarro. This is basically Superman and Gladiator vs Doomsday
@czarny_samael666:
Grundy will be down and out but WWH not so easily.
He can adapt and evolve but also will become 100% immune to what previously killed him. Doomsday will eventually overpower as well as overcome the abilities of both Gladiator and Superman. And that`s Doomsday alone, adding WWH and Grundy can be factors as well, ( Grundy not so much).
His confidence won`t drop instantly but can you prove why it won`t at least drop considerably in regards to a fight with a fully powered Doomsday?
Wow the lack of Doomsday knowledge here is amazing.
@Ancient_0f_Days said:
@GodDamnIronMan said:
Any 2 from Team 2 is enough...why overkill?
Not really. Hulk isn't a match for Superman and Grundy isn't consistent and has been blitzed into the Sun by Bizarro. This is basically Superman and Gladiator vs Doomsday
This is WWH we are talking about, it's alot stronger than 'Hulk'...
If WWH manages to launch a few punch on Gladiator, his confidence will drops, which means his power drops...therefore the point is, WWH gets punch, he will be angrier, and thus stronger...Gladiator won't...not to mention that Hulk has already beaten Gladiator. But since Gladiator has better speed feats, they pretty much cancel out each other. Which left Grundy & Doomsday vs Superman.
Take World War Hulk out of this, and things will start to brighten up for team 1
Gladiator will blitz WWH whilst DD will go straight for superman. Solomon will get KOd unintentionally by anyone here. Doomsday will be striving against Superman, and probably winning, until Gladiator comes in to help. I see Gladiator and Superman taking him 6 or 7 times out of 10, regardless of the bloodlust.
Gladiator's confidence doesn't drop just like that... Again. Now, You're 4th person with which I have this debate in last 3 days... Please read last page. I am tired of this. Hulk won't suprise Kallark, because Kallark already know that Hulk is very strong...@Ancient_0f_Days said:
@GodDamnIronMan said:
Any 2 from Team 2 is enough...why overkill?
Not really. Hulk isn't a match for Superman and Grundy isn't consistent and has been blitzed into the Sun by Bizarro. This is basically Superman and Gladiator vs Doomsday
This is WWH we are talking about, it's alot stronger than 'Hulk'...
If WWH manages to launch a few punch on Gladiator, his confidence will drops, which means his power drops...therefore the point is, WWH gets punch, he will be angrier, and thus stronger...Gladiator won't...not to mention that Hulk has already beaten Gladiator. But since Gladiator has better speed feats, they pretty much cancel out each other. Which left Grundy & Doomsday vs Superman.
@czarny_samael666:
Grundy will be down and out but WWH not so easily.
He can adapt and evolve but also will become 100% immune to what previously killed him. Doomsday will eventually overpower as well as overcome the abilities of both Gladiator and Superman. And that`s Doomsday alone, adding WWH and Grundy can be factors as well, ( Grundy not so much).
His confidence won`t drop instantly but can you prove why it won`t at least drop considerably in regards to a fight with a fully powered Doomsday?
Does Doomsday have any speed feats? Any on panel nano second reaction feats?
Superman tosses all three into orbit before they can react and then he and Gladiator heat-beam WWH and Grundy to ashes and play ping-pong between the Earth and the moon with Doomsday until he is finally overcome by physical trauma.
If that takes too long they drop-kick him into the sun and play ping-pong with him inside the sun until he dies. They could do that to all three actually.
@czarny_samael666: He was as powerful as he was during that storyline my points made earlier about during the DOS Doomsday correlate to the HP Doomsday in which all feats as well as abilities apply and Doomsday was able to survive Darkseid`s Omega Beams as he also defeated him with ease. The problem is Doomsday kept getting stronger from that point and Superman couldn`t deal with him at all. Doomsday also defeated the Justice League with one hand tied behind his back that alone shows how powerful he is. Radiant had problems with Doomsday as well and even Superman although receiving help from more powerful forces was still unable to defeat him. That`s why I don`t see how Gladiator can do anything, Doomsday will just keep getting stronger and stronger he probably could solo. That`s more plausible than the idea of Superman or Gladiator soloing.
Let me get this straight, two people who will struggle to catch the boys in blue and doomsday? I like the Hulk, I really do, but the poor guy is going to get KO'd real quick once Gladiator tells supes what he can do and they team up on him to remove him before he becomes a problem. Doomsday has never become immune to just getting the living crapola beaten out of him via good old fisticuffs, and Grundy is really just not fast enough to be a problem unless the capes were being stupid that day.
Team 2 takes both rounds. Hulk has beaten Gladiator before. And while World War Hulk and Solomon are going to be demolished by Superman, Doomsday will finish the job with their support, and I use support very lightly.
Hulk has to exploit Gladiator's radiation weakness to win. Plus it wasn't morlas-off glaidator, who will use nanosecond reaction speed.Team 2 takes both rounds. Hulk has beaten Gladiator before. And while World War Hulk and Solomon are going to be demolished by Superman, Doomsday will finish the job with their support, and I use support very lightly.
@czarny_samael666:
1. Yes but my point is that it won`t put down Doomsday
2. Yes but my point still stands, even he couldn`t get rid of Doomsday
3. Now that`s a good point but Doomsday`s durability should help him and he will come back fast enough but it depends on which method was used to kill him
4. Even if Superman`s faster it still doesn`t change the fact that Doomsday is more durable and endurant.
5. None of that will matter for an opponent like Doomsday and you have to factor in WWH as well.




@czarny_samael666:
1. I'm talking about sheer force in general. I answered your question and his fight with Superman alone shows how impressive he is in regards to durability and strength.
2. The point is that a powerful being like him had a hard time and regardless brute force won't do any better.
3. Doubt it. He single-handely defeated the Justice League and neither Darksied nor Superman could put him down, brute force isn't enough.
4. I already explained why.
Team 1 using their speed strength & heat vision they can take this as they don't have to stand still & brawl with them so it puts the fight in their favor ..

Lets say it this was seen & not just mentioned would any body even question Gladiator in this fight ? he'd probably solo it .
1.But I'm not. I've didn't say that Glad/Supe can take him by energy projection, because I know DD already have evolved to EP. My point is that he can't evolve to point in which he will be immune to physical damage. Can You prove that he can, even since in all his appaerances (known to me) he was hurt by physical strength?@czarny_samael666:
1. I'm talking about sheer force in general. I answered your question and his fight with Superman alone shows how impressive he is in regards to durability and strength.
2. The point is that a powerful being like him had a hard time and regardless brute force won't do any better.
3. Doubt it. He single-handely defeated the Justice League and neither Darksied nor Superman could put him down, brute force isn't enough.
4. I already explained why.
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