@oldwasher: I'm not sure it's open but he will have some headaches. ^_^
superman and batman vs thor and captain america
either way it seems thor would need the odinforce or runes to do that
either way it seems thor would need the odinforce or runes to do that
Possible.
I don't have the full context of that scan.
the art looks familiar it might be from the same comic this happened in
@oldwasher: Yes.
@realitywarper: I'm pretty sure they're from the same issue
For the people whom think Supes is faster than thor,,, that is just crazy... First they are completely different companies with different writing styles.. DC tends to do reactionary feats ie gives you nanosecond or attosecond(Wally) reactionary feats,, which are all inconsistent because everyone of them get hit by people whom never should hit them... The same way dc tends to give their martial artist number of styles to "show how skilled they are" which is ok but doesn't mean anything when it comes to comparing them to Marvel Martial artist because well they aren't written that way...Most of the martial artist in Marvel have powers ie healing factor, super soldier serum, vibranium suits, iron fists, radar senses, and herbs that give powers...
You do have some instances where marvel gives you some reactionary feats but they very far and few between... And they also give you number of styles here and there but those are usually older stories... So really when comparing the two companies you really have to compare at a level in which the big boys are pretty even in physicals and you have to put the martial artists in tiers... superman = thor in physicals,,,bats=cap in skill,,,, now what separates them
Bats advantages = Brains, planning, inventions, Utility belt,,,and stealth..
bats disadvantages = not willing to kill
Supes advantages = strength, speed, and willingness to protect earth...
supes disadvantages = kryptonite and magic,,,
Captain America advantages = super soldier serum,, battle planning, and superior physical stats to normal martial artist...
caps disadvantages = can not invent things to win a fight,, soldier til the end
thor advantages = strength, speed, and magic(weather,portals,and many others)
thor disadvantages = brawler,, sometimes can be brash
Now when comparing the teams thor is literally the thing that supes is vunerable too so he should negate supes,,, and cap physicals should negate bats,,, Now could Bats come up with something to win the fight?? why yes... but thor and them could easily bring many magical weapons that bats would never be able to understand in one day... So given the parameters of the fight then team marvel should win,, doesn't mean they would but they should
@axle124: I think see an is probably faster then Thor but not by as much as other people here are claiming. If someone can post scans of both superman and thor's speed that would be great. I think batman can overcome cap's physicals with his gadgets especially with one day of prep and I think the true challenge superman has in fighting Thor is thor's superior combat skill which would prove difficult for m to handle however his magic might just prove difficult too. But with the scans I posted earlier of superman's magic resistance I'm starting to doubt it
@asgardianxeno929: as long as that stuff is part of his standard gear then that it possible
@comicuser: against thor? I doubt he does it easily
The gadgets won't stop someone of Caps ability,, He will have to bring specific stuff to negate cap,,, He would basically have to treat him as if he was slade...
@comicuser: against thor? I doubt he does it easily
yea. easily. nothing new.
The gadgets won't stop someone of Caps ability,, He will have to bring specific stuff to negate cap,,, He would basically have to treat him as if he was slade...
ummm all batman has to do is get in his justice buster suit....
@comicuser: I think Thor could cause supes atleast some trouble but I do think he will win
@comicuser: I think Thor could cause supes atleast some trouble but I do think he will win
i dont think so. Just with his speed and strength alone. Superman is so much faster it makes it unfair for thor. Superman can live/move/act between nano seconds. I think he even has a picsecond feat. So by using math, if you say it would take 1000 punches for superman to knock out thor, that means superman would knockout thor in under a second.
@comicuser: perhaps but but I thk Thor is powerful enough he can probably hold his own and with his fighting skills it could be tough for kal
Thor perceives on that level,, he sees all,,, Now again reactionary feats will be hard to prove because Marvel doesn't write their characters like that.... I can show you all kinds of FTL speed feats but its not going to say nano second or anything like that.. I can only remember one feat by thor where it says nano second and that was from the early eighties.. So like I said before when comparing the two companies you have assume that they can perceive and react to each other... if not then you are being biased towards one company right off the bat... I could be convinced that supes could beat thor in battle ie long batte with him being stronger and eventually knocking him out(without thor having magic advantage) but not the speed thing because well its not consistent,, I mean for every good reactionary feat you show me,, I could give you ten of them getting hit by things they should react too or getting hit by people that shouldn't be able to perceive them
@oldwasher: Do you know the comics they comes from ?
The combatants will pray for mercy, in vain. The superior tactical abilities of the R.E.G.I.S MK-5 will crush these fighters to their very atoms. The R.E.G.I.S. cannot be stopped. Surrender and you will be destroyed peacefully.
@regis_mk_5: lol what exactly are the tactical abilities of the REGIS MK5?
@realitywarper: no I don't know I just the know the art looks familiar I'll try to find it though
@oldwasher: I agree.
Thor perceives on that level,, he sees all,,, Now again reactionary feats will be hard to prove because Marvel doesn't write their characters like that.... I can show you all kinds of FTL speed feats but its not going to say nano second or anything like that.. I can only remember one feat by thor where it says nano second and that was from the early eighties.. So like I said before when comparing the two companies you have assume that they can perceive and react to each other... if not then you are being biased towards one company right off the bat... I could be convinced that supes could beat thor in battle ie long batte with him being stronger and eventually knocking him out(without thor having magic advantage) but not the speed thing because well its not consistent,, I mean for every good reactionary feat you show me,, I could give you ten of them getting hit by things they should react too or getting hit by people that shouldn't be able to perceive them
thor hasnt perceived speed like that in decades.
he only travels FTL by holding on while mjolnir pulls him with him
No.,thats stupid. I will make NO assumptions. I will see proof or I wont believe it. No assumptions will be made. Thats ridiculous.
Im sorry that you think thats biased. Im only using facts. Sorry you feel that way.
It is consistent. Superman uses his speed alot of the time. Just the other day I saw a viner compile 84 scans of superman blitzing.
So superman beats Thor in under a second most likely.
The R.E.G.I.S MK-5 is the ultimate fighting machine!
Unstoppable!
Merciless!
Glorious!
Entire galaxies surrender before the might and glory of the R.E.G.I.S MK-5!
You have been warned!
@realitywarper: I'll let you know when I found it
@realitywarper: I'll let you know when I found it
Thanks.
A little music theme for Thor that suits the fight (Thanks to Entombed) :
@realitywarper: sweet! Unfortunately I cant listnw to music on my iPad so I'll have to hear it later
Ok I can show him getting hit by people that he shouldn't too,, 100s and 100s of scans.... And thor has fought at that speed,, just isn't going to say nanosecond or anything about how fast whatever he is hitting is travelling... That's not how Marvel writes their stories... And no Supes doesn't speed blitz right off the bat so the whole defeating thor in under a second is utterly ridiculous... SS doesn't have reactionary feats, do you think clark could beat him in under a second???
@realitywarper: sweet! Unfortunately I cant listnw to music on my iPad so I'll have to hear it later
I hope that you will enjoy it : it's one of the best band of Death n'roll imo.
Ok I can show him getting hit by people that he shouldn't too,, 100s and 100s of scans.... And thor has fought at that speed,, just isn't going to say nanosecond or anything about how fast whatever he is hitting is travelling... That's not how Marvel writes their stories... And no Supes doesn't speed blitz right off the bat so the whole defeating thor in under a second is utterly ridiculous... SS doesn't have reactionary feats, do you think clark could beat him in under a second???
...Ive literally had this discussion about 100 times. I hope you can understand how monotonous and annoying it can be. I ask you to look around this site and gather some more information on just how slow thor really is. This is me leaving. I hope that doesnt offend you. Have a nice day.
@realitywarper: alright I'll listen when I get on my computer
I have researched on this site thor vs superman a dozen different ways and most believe thor > supes which I would say they are =,,, and this site is definitely pro dc,, SS > supes by good margin... Most believe Cap > bats due to physicals,, not smarter than bats and not that bats couldn't beat him,, but on paper >..... I believe when comparing the two big dogs on the teams ie supes and thor you could really make a case for each to win and neither would be wrong.. I believe that the martial artists should be put in tiers ie if you are in tier one then you can beat anyone in that tier without a built in advantage... So daredevil vs Richard dragon should be a stalemate because they are both top tier fighters(assuming the radar doesn't give dd any advantages)...
There is no wrong argument,, This is supposed to be fun and great discussion pieces.. I love all these characters and enjoy every story I read... It literally gives me an escape from reality.. I never take this stuff personal if someone doesn't agree with my perception or observations then that is cool because that's what makes it fun.....
To be fair I could think of a 100 different ways for either team to win.. The only argument I don't really like is the speed blitz argument... that isn't going to happen...
I think marvel has a few more ways they could win which is why I am going with team marvel for the majority win here, but nothing wrong with believing team dc wins either..
Here are the facts about Thor . He is powerful with his hammer. Powerful blows and needs distance to perform powerful attacks that can be easily evaded by smaller faster characters. Combat wise, it's said Thor has thousands of years of fighting experience. The problem is Thor is still a brawler 95% of Thor fighting is based on wild punches and swings of his hammer which can be easily evaded. I don't see Thor doing anything agile or round house kicks not even a flip to show higher level of skills and agility and combat ability. During brawl Thor tries to hold on to the enemies and try for a hammer hit or flies in with blow.
Thor's speed lets cover this . Reaction speeds and catching his hammer. Thor's hammer comes back to him half the time, if he summons it . If he is hit before the hammer gets to him it falls to the ground. Which leads to a beat down normally. When Thor hammer is separated from him he stands a less chance to win. Close combat wise Thor isnt the greatest fighting villains or heroes with high speeds that uses it . Thor travel speed is great , for those who doesnt know his hammer pulls him at these speeds to surpass light speed. When Thor throws his hammer its not at light speed instantly, it has to increase to light speeds. There are scans of Thor hammer pulling him at great speeds and he has to struggle to hold onto it . His speed is just not good enough / even thinking fast enough in high speed battles. Thor dont even comprehend whats going on.
His weapon of choice his hammer. is his best defense and offence. Throwing it half the time is how he defeats his opponents or A blast which he uses on larger enemies. He has to swirl his hammer to charge it up to summon the energies needed. That is too much time. He needs the distance or the enemy to be still for any really powerful blow. Now here is another fact Thor can have energies around his hammer and move at speeds in order to attack large enemies even smaller ones. Even close combat he can have the energies around the hammer but doesnt have the same power as when he is traveling at high speeds to this.
Now in character Thor is like this . Hot headed and easily surprised. Thor morals is high and he does hold back to a point but will kill at will. Easy to get angry and when the fight is boiling down he will start thinking especially when most of what he is dishing out is not working. He has high stamina but it does run out. Thor has high durability body wise but with all heroes head or face blows does knock them out aka blunt force for sure works. So Thor face doesnt have the same durability as his body. His strength is great but not enough he is not on the physical level of the Hyperion or Gladiator or the Hulk not even superman. Thor greatest strength feat isnt much and all his striking feats is with his hammer. He is a good warrior just falls a bit short and depends on his hammer too much. Since his hammer can be separated from him/ his close combat sucks along with his speeds makes him a little short fight against someone who does uses speed and blitz 85% of the time .
I dont mind any one correcting me on anything i have said wrong .
I think you are selling thor short.... Is mjlonir powerful? yes but that isn't the only thing thor has going for him... No one can stop mjolnir without having very powerful magic ie trapping it another dimension.. Speed blitzes don't beat thor,,, some work some do not depends on the writer, but they don't knock him out... He is trained in h2h as all asgardians are, so not much different than say what wonder woman is....and his strength is = to hyperion, gladiator, and Hulk.. And most of his striking feats are with the hammer but what does that matter?? the hammer itself is a powerful weapon..
The World's Finest.
Thor takes hits from the strongest and best in marvel,, He beats hyperion more often than not,, His strength is on par with anyone in Marvel and is on par with supes....
@oldwasher: Well, Thor's speed is pretty good actually but the problem is he also gets tagged as much as he tags. One time he deflects Hyperion blitzing and the other times gets blitzed by people like Wolverine. The same thing also happens to Supes at times like he punks Prof. Zoom but gets punked by Deathstroke but this happens less to Superman so he is "consistently" faster. But just like you said not so much as he would punch someone 263836282938923737 times without he/she blinks.
@spiderman1997: so who do you think would win?
@oldwasher: Well, 8 still think team 1 wins despite Thor's some good advantages on Superman. First off Cap is a nonfactor here just like Batman would be without prep. But with prep he can bring his Justice Buster suit and stomp Cap with it while Superman keeps Thor busy.
Now Thor has some good advantages on his side like
1. Striking Power
2. A magical hammer with s*t ton of abilities most notably the ability to absorb energy and redirect it more powerful which straight up neglects HV.
Their durability is about even
Superman though won't use his speed that much while duking it out but he will use it to escape Thor's absurdly powerful lightning. But eventually Team 1's massive prep and team chemistry advantage will triumph at the end.
@spiderman1997: so who do you think would win?
And Thor can imbue his first with the Lightning :
@realitywarper: @spiderman1997: great answer and I didn't know Thor could do that
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