superman and barry allen vs captain marvel and wally west
It'd be a stalemate but Supes is weak to magic so Marvel would say his magic word to try and call down the lightning but , since morals are off, barry would zoom over to them and knock billy batson off the asteroid, wally would be following and supes would block him and wrap his arm around him before flying off and dropping wally into the sun.
this fight comes down to the flashes. the weak links are superman and captain marvel. with no morals, either flash could kill supes or marvel before they could react. that would leave wally and barry. from what ive heard, wally seems to be the more powerful flash so i have to give this fight to team 2.
" this fight comes down to the flashes. the weak links are superman and captain marvel. with no morals, either flash could kill supes or marvel before they could react. that would leave wally and barry. from what ive heard, wally seems to be the more powerful flash so i have to give this fight to team 2. "Truthiness.
Supes can take marvel here imo. Marvel has magic he can win but Supes can absorb more powers and get infinite amounts of powers depending on how much power he wishes 2 absorb. Theres no telling what Supes can truely do.
Theoretically the Flashes punch harder than Superman. A punch does not solely rely on your mass but most importantly your speed. Look at the equation:" @SlimJ87D: Eh....I think they maybe get a bit 2 much hype. Simply comparing whats being said to whats being written about them in the comics. And Flashes do not punch harder than Superman. For Flash 2 be able to beat Super level characters they have 2 speed force and if they dont they lose and if they do they could die. Its happened its there last resort they dont like generating that much speed. Supes can take marvel here imo. Marvel has magic he can win but Supes can absorb more powers and get infinite amounts of powers depending on how much power he wishes 2 absorb. Theres no telling what Supes can truely do. "
F = ma
If a Flash is faster than a Superman, than he inflicts a Force greater than a Superman. A flash survives the punch because of the durability increase from the Speed Force. Don't get lifting force (lifting up a boulder) and instantaneous force (for example, a punch which is instant and transverses through impulse) mixed up.
The Flashes go up against Zoom, who has had comments that suggest he punches harder than Superman. Same reason, he moves faster than Superman.
Lastly, if you read interviews with authors and writers when writing the Flash, the main difficulty they find is that the Flash is just too powerful theoretically. They have to dumb his powers down all the time to make a good story, but even they admit without using PIS against the Flash he is far too powerful fully unleashed.
You see the difference is when you do these feats with Superman level characters with nigh-invulnerability it makes it sorta believable but when you do it with the Flash it doesnt make much sense. But all that is acceptable in the comic world and not to be taken literally. The problem is certain ppl take things literally and use things that dont make sense as a argument as if they are the ones writing the comics themselves. You cant say wally wins that way..... its been stated in the comics that he could beat Superman if he stole Supermans speed but that he would die if he did it. In comics they boost characters all the time.....and characters have been compared to Superman maybe over 1000 times in recent comics alone. Martain Manhunter even got quoted as being as strong as Superman which is completely false and unfounded. Wonder Woman has stated she is as fast as the Flash before....which is ridiculous. And it keeps going on. Hell even Aqua-man compared his strength to Superman before........Superman has stated Aqua-mans punches hurt! Without the use of magic. That is crazy.
I see where you coming from I just think flash is getting alittle bit to much boosting also. They guy is powerful but he isnt stronger than the poster boy of the DCU. To me nothing changes the fact that Supes can wipe out the planet with 1 attack if he really wished or he could absorb enough enegry to way over power himself.
" @Pokeysteve said:Sure they're faster but he's no turtle. What's F = ma + Super strength. If they both throw a punch at FTL speeds Superman's punch is going to do way more damage. I love every Flash it's just the things they've evolved to be able to do over the years makes them practically unbeatable. I'm one of the people that doesn't think they're speed will equal a win if they were to fight. The phasing thing might though." The Flashes get WAY too much credit. "NO, they get get the exact credit they deserve.Think about it, they punch harder than Superman does because they are faster than him ( F = ma). That's how deadly they are."
No, you are thinking the game mass effect where according to sci fi, theoreatically hte only way to move at the speed of light is to become mass less. This does not apply to a flash because they are moving fast thanks to an external force, the speed force." @SlimJ87D: Which writers are these that admit that the Flash is too powerful? F=M until you exceed light speed. Anything that moves at light speed must theoretically have no mass. So you cant use that logic in a science fiction comic book. Usually when you see Superman space travel and go FTL he transforms himself in to a beam of light himself....unless he is going slower than light on purpose to gather mass. Theoretically Flashes mass would become infinite which his body could not handle and he would slow himself down before he reached light speed. Comic book writers allowed this ignoring the science part of things. You see the difference is when you do these feats with Superman level characters with nigh-invulnerability it makes it sorta believable but when you do it with the Flash it doesnt make much sense. But all that is acceptable in the comic world and not to be taken literally. The problem is certain ppl take things literally and use things that dont make sense as a argument as if they are the ones writing the comics themselves. You cant say wally wins that way..... its been stated in the comics that he could beat Superman if he stole Supermans speed but that he would die if he did it. In comics they boost characters all the time.....and characters have been compared to Superman maybe over 1000 times in recent comics alone. Martain Manhunter even got quoted as being as strong as Superman which is completely false and unfounded. Wonder Woman has stated she is as fast as the Flash before....which is ridiculous. And it keeps going on. Hell even Aqua-man compared his strength to Superman before........Superman has stated Aqua-mans punches hurt! Without the use of magic. That is crazy. I see where you coming from I just think flash is getting alittle bit to much boosting also. They guy is powerful but he isnt stronger than the poster boy of the DCU. To me nothing changes the fact that Supes can wipe out the planet with 1 attack if he really wished or he could absorb enough enegry to way over power himself. "
The problem with Superman against the Flash is that he has no immunity to a speed steal. The only way he could destroy the earth is cheap, he'd have to stay away from the earth and fly through the moon and destroy the moon to beat a flash. But starting on the ground Supes losses. If he flew anywhere near the Earth, the Flash would meet him where he's about to anchor, speed steal him and then he'd just land and wouldn't be fast enough to destroy anything because he'd lose all his speed. Anymore speed steal would completely immobilize him and anymore than that would freeze him like a statue.
You can read the Flash vs Superman threads, and it's no only opinions but many feats that show the Flash can defeat Superman if he wanted to.
It is not their speed that gives them the win over Superman, it's their ability to steal his speed even if he didn't want them to." @SlimJ87D said:
" @Pokeysteve said:Sure they're faster but he's no turtle. What's F = ma + Super strength. If they both throw a punch at FTL speeds Superman's punch is going to do way more damage. I love every Flash it's just the things they've evolved to be able to do over the years makes them practically unbeatable. I'm one of the people that doesn't think they're speed will equal a win if they were to fight. The phasing thing might though. "" The Flashes get WAY too much credit. "NO, they get get the exact credit they deserve.
Think about it, they punch harder than Superman does because they are faster than him ( F = ma). That's how deadly they are.
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Team two. Wally is faster than Barry while Captain Marvel and Superman are basically equals.
Wally defeats Barry and then destroys Supes with Captain Marvel.
Or Wally defeats Supes while Marvel loses to Barry and Wally beats Barry. Supes and Marvel are almost non factors here. Actually, considering I don't believe Barry can steal speed Team Two wins this easily.
How is being able to steal their speed not an automatic win? Once he steals their speed they can literally do nothing against him but glare angrily, and Flash can do this before Superman could even blink." @SlimJ87D: I just don't see how that's an automatic win. "
" @SlimJ87D said:" @Pokeysteve said:Sure they're faster but he's no turtle. What's F = ma + Super strength. If they both throw a punch at FTL speeds Superman's punch is going to do way more damage. I love every Flash it's just the things they've evolved to be able to do over the years makes them practically unbeatable. I'm one of the people that doesn't think they're speed will equal a win if they were to fight. The phasing thing might though. "" The Flashes get WAY too much credit. "NO, they get get the exact credit they deserve.Think about it, they punch harder than Superman does because they are faster than him ( F = ma). That's how deadly they are."
Writers don't take our battle forum convienience in to consideration before they write the Flashes.They are that good and we're gonna have to deal with it,as long as it's not hurting the stories then no reason to complain.
" @Pokeysteve said:It's Superman. A glare is all he needs.How is being able to steal their speed not an automatic win? Once he steals their speed they can literally do nothing against him but glare angrily, and Flash can do this before Superman could even blink. "" @SlimJ87D: I just don't see how that's an automatic win. "
Superman isn't even that powerful. If he was as fast as the Flashes, he would be able to enter the Speed Force. And Wally can run on nothin by making Speed Force energy, and doesn't need air to breathe due to having unlimited energy from the Speed Force, where Superman does need air. Also, Flash can fly. By moving all his atoms whatever way he wants them to go, which could be up, up, and AWAY!!!!!!
Superman isn't even that powerful. If he was as fast as the Flashes, he would be able to enter the Speed Force. And Wally can run on nothin by making Speed Force energy, and doesn't need air to breathe due to having unlimited energy from the Speed Force, where Superman does need air. Also, Flash can fly. By moving all his atoms whatever way he wants them to go, which could be up, up, and AWAY!!!!!!Lol
Flashes do not punch harder than Superman....
They have to accelerate to lightspeed to use the IMP to punch as hard as Superman does from a regular standing punch. If Superman did the same his punch would be a hell of lot more powerful
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