#1 Edited by Life_Without_Progress (1540 posts) - - Show Bio

Fight takes place at an unpopulated

City block at night with loads of cover

In character

Random encounter

Regular equipment

Winner by KO or Death, Incapacitation by web wrapping is not allowed.

Who'd win? For what reasons?

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#2 Posted by Life_Without_Progress (1540 posts) - - Show Bio

Anybody has an opinion?

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#3 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7196 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke Cage is taken out first.

#4 Posted by RogueShadow (10012 posts) - - Show Bio

Poor LC. He needs a power up in combat speed.

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#5 Posted by patrat18 (8876 posts) - - Show Bio

Spidermen.

#6 Posted by Chibi_cute (4474 posts) - - Show Bio

I have faith in iron fist.

#7 Posted by Mortium (666 posts) - - Show Bio

Spiders stomp.

#8 Edited by dorukesin (5125 posts) - - Show Bio

pete blitz them both

#9 Posted by dondave (34542 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

#10 Posted by 106me (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man (Peter) solos.

#11 Edited by Juggy313 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke Cage solos... Do you guys read comics?

#12 Posted by GraniteSoldier (6985 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter alone could give team 2 a rough go of it, potentially winning. This is like the Scarlet Spider/Venom vs Heroes of Hire battle a few months back. Cage and Fist will have better teamwork, but Fist can get taken out with a single blow from SpOck since he doesn't hold back that much. Guy took Scorpion's jaw off, who's more durable than Iron Fist. Cage is harder to put down, but he can't tag the spiders and will get worn down eventually. Team 1.

#13 Edited by dondave (34542 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter alone could give team 2 a rough go of it, potentially winning. This is like the Scarlet Spider/Venom vs Heroes of Hire battle a few months back. Cage and Fist will have better teamwork, but Fist can get taken out with a single blow from SpOck since he doesn't hold back that much. Guy took Scorpion's jaw off, who's more durable than Iron Fist. Cage is harder to put down, but he can't tag the spiders and will get worn down eventually. Team 1.

To be fair SpOck punched the unprotected part of Scorpion's body, he didn't actually punch the armour.

#14 Posted by Wolverine08 (38802 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1.

#15 Posted by Experio (14252 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1.

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#16 Posted by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2, Iron Fist being the MVP

#17 Posted by homicidalmaniac (6790 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 if Danny doesn't use Chi

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#19 Edited by laflux (14223 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@granitesoldier said:

Peter alone could give team 2 a rough go of it, potentially winning. This is like the Scarlet Spider/Venom vs Heroes of Hire battle a few months back. Cage and Fist will have better teamwork, but Fist can get taken out with a single blow from SpOck since he doesn't hold back that much. Guy took Scorpion's jaw off, who's more durable than Iron Fist. Cage is harder to put down, but he can't tag the spiders and will get worn down eventually. Team 1.

To be fair SpOck punched the unprotected part of Scorpion's body, he didn't actually punch the armour.

He has Broken through the armour before though, and Scorpion is at base has comparable stats to Spider-Man in anycase....

#20 Edited by uberhikari (2459 posts) - - Show Bio

What is wrong with the Spider-Man wanking in this thread? Speedblitz only works if you can overcome the durability of the person you're speedblitzing. Spider-Man will NEVER hurt Luke Cage. And I very seriously doubt either version of Spider-Man could hurt Iron Fist. This is either a stalemate or Team 2 wins.

#21 Edited by GraniteSoldier (6985 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@dondave said:

@granitesoldier said:

Peter alone could give team 2 a rough go of it, potentially winning. This is like the Scarlet Spider/Venom vs Heroes of Hire battle a few months back. Cage and Fist will have better teamwork, but Fist can get taken out with a single blow from SpOck since he doesn't hold back that much. Guy took Scorpion's jaw off, who's more durable than Iron Fist. Cage is harder to put down, but he can't tag the spiders and will get worn down eventually. Team 1.

To be fair SpOck punched the unprotected part of Scorpion's body, he didn't actually punch the armour.

He has Broken through he armour before though, and Scorpion is at base has comparable stats to Spider-Man in anycase....

What laflux said here. He did punch an unarmored spot, but Scorpion at base has shown better overall toughness than Iron Fist. Fist seems to always fit the "glass cannon" concept to me.

#22 Posted by OreoAssassin (4241 posts) - - Show Bio

No rule against Sp0ck calling in his army :p

#23 Edited by laflux (14223 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man will NEVER hurt Luke Cage. And I very seriously doubt either version of Spider-Man could hurt Iron Fist.

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#24 Posted by Beware_My_Power (2899 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Posted by VeganDiet (983 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@uberhikari said:

Spider-Man will NEVER hurt Luke Cage. And I very seriously doubt either version of Spider-Man could hurt Iron Fist.

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Agreed. Spider-man should have no trouble hurting Fist, and I would think he could hurt Luke too. The upcoming Mighty Avengers might help illuminate this.

#26 Edited by jashro44 (19708 posts) - - Show Bio

What is wrong with the Spider-Man wanking in this thread? Speedblitz only works if you can overcome the durability of the person you're speedblitzing. Spider-Man will NEVER hurt Luke Cage. And I very seriously doubt either version of Spider-Man could hurt Iron Fist. This is either a stalemate or Team 2 wins.

Peter knows pressure points. Luke Cage has felt pressure points from black panther. Peter is several times stronger then black panther. Cage goes down. And why do you think iron fist is too durable? Peter has all ready shown he can hurt iron fist.

#27 Edited by Stormdriven (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

The Spidermen takes this. Iron Fist isn't much of a problem, and Cage doesn't have the combat speed to contend with them.

#28 Posted by uberhikari (2459 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@uberhikari said:

What is wrong with the Spider-Man wanking in this thread? Speedblitz only works if you can overcome the durability of the person you're speedblitzing. Spider-Man will NEVER hurt Luke Cage. And I very seriously doubt either version of Spider-Man could hurt Iron Fist. This is either a stalemate or Team 2 wins.

Peter knows pressure points. Luke Cage has felt pressure points from black panther. Peter is several times stronger then black panther. Cage goes down. And why do you think iron fist is too durable? Peter has all ready shown he can hurt iron fist.

This is just PIS garbage. Luke Cage is supposed to have unbreakable skin. And he has the feats to back it up: having c4 on his body blowing up and him not being harmed, taking class 100 hits, etc. Even if someone knew where the nerves on his body were they shouldn't be able to hit him hard enough to do damage or incapacitate him. Nerve strikes is just Marvel's way of allowing street level characters to bypass superhuman durability that they're not supposed to be able to. I mean does Luke Cage's superhuman durability not extent to his pressure points? lol

#29 Posted by laflux (14223 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@uberhikari said:

What is wrong with the Spider-Man wanking in this thread? Speedblitz only works if you can overcome the durability of the person you're speedblitzing. Spider-Man will NEVER hurt Luke Cage. And I very seriously doubt either version of Spider-Man could hurt Iron Fist. This is either a stalemate or Team 2 wins.

Peter knows pressure points. Luke Cage has felt pressure points from black panther. Peter is several times stronger then black panther. Cage goes down. And why do you think iron fist is too durable? Peter has all ready shown he can hurt iron fist.

This is just PIS garbage. Luke Cage is supposed to have unbreakable skin. And he has the feats to back it up: having c4 on his body blowing up and him not being harmed, taking class 100 hits, etc. Even if someone knew where the nerves on his body were they shouldn't be able to hit him hard enough to do damage or incapacitate him. Nerve strikes is just Marvel's way of allowing street level characters to bypass superhuman durability that they're not supposed to be able to. I mean does Luke Cage's superhuman durability not extent to his pressure points? lol

It happens consistently because marvel writers believe the whole point of Pressure points is that they are suppossed to bypass Durability and countless showing show this, such as Mister Hyde (who >> Luke Cage) being Pressure pointed by Daredevil, Wolverine taking down the Rock of the Buddha, Wolverine taking down Kid Gladiator (who is >> Luke Cage). Its not like its the first time its happened to Luke Cage either, in his earlier days, he was temporarily downed by a no name female martial artist. Its something which is replicated in DC with skilled Characters too. And why shouldn't it happen? Just because you don't want it to doesn't mean it should be lazily dumped as PIS.

Furthermore your saying this, as if Luke Cage is massively over street-level when he is quite clearly not, and has been depicted and labelled as such numerous times. IIRC correctly, in Shadowland and Civil War he is even called a street level hero. For the times he has tanked Class 100 foes, he's also fought evenly against the likes of Bullet, Scorpion (Hell he was even punked by Scorpion), Rhino and Spider-Man. Those names don't really scream mid tier powerhouse plus to me. And against the 100 tonners, it not like he ever had a chance against them

And as a final point, Ironicially, Luke Cage's invunerablility doesn't extend to his Nerve clusters and Pressure points. Its been mentioned both in Bio's and on Panel (Most importantly), that his invunerability is only skin deep, so his internal organs, and structure is prone to damage.

To be honest, saying Luke Cage gets downed by a Pressure point is being overly generous. Spider-Man in his league physically, and although his punches won't do as much damage to Cage as vice versa, Peter and SpOck have enough physical striking feats to show that he can be worn down enough with standard strikes, while if any of the Spider-Men are remotely serious, Cage isn't going to touch them. What make it worse is that SpOck has webbing specifially designed to hold down guys with Superhuman Strength, so Cage could very well just be incapped and become a massive punching bag.