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#1 Posted by King Saturn (225174 posts) - - Show Bio
 Can the Superboy Prime and ION defeat these Heralds of Galactus known as Silver Surfer and Morg in an all out battle ?

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#2 Posted by Sasuke (397 posts) - - Show Bio

At first thought i was thinking that the heralds were going to just dominate over ion and prime but now I'm not so sure. Ion could stick with sufer and prime just seems to go into beast mode when he fights so i think he can give morg a run for his money.

#3 Posted by King Saturn (225174 posts) - - Show Bio
Prime and ION will give the Heralds all they can handle
#4 Posted by SeSAW (3677 posts) - - Show Bio

Good fight....... Heralds win more times than not though

#5 Posted by Lunacyde (19523 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly SBP is an emo crybaby...

#6 Posted by King Saturn (225174 posts) - - Show Bio
SeSAW said:
"Good fight....... Heralds win more times than not though"
Maybe
#7 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
Lunacyde said:
"Honestly SBP is an emo crybaby..."

Oh I know.  Absolutely hate him.  Still, his team is definately the more powerful one.

And if you don't believe me, ask SeSaw and believe the opposite. (One of these days SeSaw is gonna catch on and argue the opposite of what he thinks....and then I'll leave him alone :-p)
#8 Posted by lionheart (1261 posts) - - Show Bio

SBP and ION can battle with them and pose a threat

#9 Posted by King Saturn (225174 posts) - - Show Bio
I wonder how much of an issue is speed here... I mean is Superboy Prime really faster than Surfer or Morg ?
#10 Posted by lordraiden (7616 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"I wonder how much of an issue is speed here... I mean is Superboy Prime really faster than Surfer or Morg ?
"

Morg, yes, SS, debatebale! Morg is a brute and doesn't use much of all his powers outside of brute strength!
#11 Posted by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio

In reaction speed the DC pairing are faster.

SBP has the super speed power at levels of a precrisis Kryptonian and Ion has the equivalent super speed level of current Superman.

Both thus have faster reaction times that the heralds.

Morg is a 'blunt weapon', who rarely employs any powers other than his physical ones. He like Firelord does not seem to use his cosmic powers in a wide scope like the Surfer does.

SBP can beat Morg. As long as Ion can stalemate SS until SBP finishes Morg, the battles then 2 on 1.

#12 Posted by SeSAW (3677 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"

In reaction speed the DC pairing are faster.

SBP has the super speed power at levels of a precrisis Kryptonian and Ion has the equivalent super speed level of current Superman.

Both thus have faster reaction times that the heralds.

Morg is a 'blunt weapon', who rarely employs any powers other than his physical ones. He like Firelord does not seem to use his cosmic powers in a wide scope like the Surfer does.

SBP can beat Morg. As long as Ion can stalemate SS until SBP finishes Morg, the battles then 2 on 1.

"

Not........ Surfer is the fastest man on the battle field in speed and reaction time.
#13 Posted by lordraiden (7616 posts) - - Show Bio
SeSAW said:
"the creator said:
"

In reaction speed the DC pairing are faster.

SBP has the super speed power at levels of a precrisis Kryptonian and Ion has the equivalent super speed level of current Superman.

Both thus have faster reaction times that the heralds.

Morg is a 'blunt weapon', who rarely employs any powers other than his physical ones. He like Firelord does not seem to use his cosmic powers in a wide scope like the Surfer does.

SBP can beat Morg. As long as Ion can stalemate SS until SBP finishes Morg, the battles then 2 on 1.

"

Not........ Surfer is the fastest man on the battle field in speed and reaction time."

Looks like you've got your work cut out for ya, Creator :-)
#14 Posted by Scarlet Thor (1112 posts) - - Show Bio

IOn and Prime

#15 Posted by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio
lordraiden said:

Looks like you've got your work cut out for ya, Creator :-)"


Not really as SeSAW has been shown to have as much reasoning ability as a stone.


SeSAW said:

Not........ Surfer is the fastest man on the battle field in speed and reaction time."

Show me the reaction speed of the Surfer.
Show me Surfer entering bullet time speed shots like Superman does.
The I might reconsider.

#16 Posted by SeSAW (3677 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"lordraiden said:

Looks like you've got your work cut out for ya, Creator :-)"


Not really as SeSAW has been shown to have as much reasoning ability as a stone.


SeSAW said:

Not........ Surfer is the fastest man on the battle field in speed and reaction time."

Show me the reaction speed of the Surfer.
Show me Surfer entering bullet time speed shots like Superman does.
The I might reconsider.

"

I have the resoning ability of a rock not a stone lol

And creator Ive already shown you all this stuff  thousands of times 

                  Speed                                   reaction time                                     speed

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Surfer is much faster than both of them, Surfer and Morg FTW. And

Creator you have the memory of an old lady.
#17 Posted by Vlad Tepes Dracula (2208 posts) - - Show Bio

prime

#18 Posted by Final Arrow (24388 posts) - - Show Bio

OKay Ion what level of power are you giving him from starters and is it the ION pictured rather then Kyle.

If it is Kyle Ion this is over.

Prime is a beast and wont stop for nothing so that takes out one side of this battle leaving Surfer to face of against Ion and for the record the only mater that speed has in this battle is if your running away.

I will give the win when I find out what Ion it is.

#19 Posted by King Saturn (225174 posts) - - Show Bio
Final Arrow said:
"OKay Ion what level of power are you giving him from starters and is it the ION pictured rather then Kyle.

If it is Kyle Ion this is over.

Prime is a beast and wont stop for nothing so that takes out one side of this battle leaving Surfer to face of against Ion and for the record the only mater that speed has in this battle is if your running away.

I will give the win when I find out what Ion it is."
It is the pictured Ion we are using here which would be Sodom Yat
#20 Posted by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio
SeSAW said:
#21 Posted by King Saturn (225174 posts) - - Show Bio
Is the Surfer's Molecular Manipulation power even a factor here since SBP is seemly durable to withstand Matter Manipulation attacks ?
#22 Posted by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Is the Surfer's Molecular Manipulation power even a factor here since SBP is seemly durable to withstand Matter Manipulation attacks ?
"
good question.
SBP has been attacking several beings wuith matter control powers and none have seemed able to take him apart so to speak.
It could simply be that his PC kryptonian invulnerability is so high that he might be immune to the level of control used on him todate.
#23 Posted by King Saturn (225174 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"King Saturn said:
"Is the Surfer's Molecular Manipulation power even a factor here since SBP is seemly durable to withstand Matter Manipulation attacks ?
"
good question.
SBP has been attacking several beings wuith matter control powers and none have seemed able to take him apart so to speak.
It could simply be that his PC kryptonian invulnerability is so high that he might be immune to the level of control used on him todate."
Indeed
#24 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio

This fight is a freakin joke right?

either prime or ion could solo the heralds easily

#25 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio

That is 100% true
prime has already taken on beings with far superior matter manipulation ability to any of the heralds
three guardians each could kill any herald with the wave of a hand all high sky father level

Anti monitor and monarch

prime or ion could solo the heralds

sodam might have some trouble with them because of his unfamiliairty with the ion power

however both prime and sodam are leagues beyond the heralds and either could solo them

100% and i freaking dare anyone to try to challenge me

#26 Posted by SeSAW (3677 posts) - - Show Bio
Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"That is 100% true
prime has already taken on beings with far superior matter manipulation ability to any of the heralds
three guardians each could kill any herald with the wave of a hand all high sky father level

Anti monitor and monarch

prime or ion could solo the heralds

sodam might have some trouble with them because of his unfamiliairty with the ion power

however both prime and sodam are leagues beyond the heralds and either could solo them

100% and i freaking dare anyone to try to challenge me"
We all expected you to say that
#27 Posted by SeSAW (3677 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually if you want to be real about it Ion and Prime both have weakness that the Surfer can easily use to his advantage, I treid not to bring it up but Hal Jordan has forced me, to put it blunt surfer could solo.

#28 Posted by King Saturn (225174 posts) - - Show Bio
Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"This fight is a freakin joke right?

either prime or ion could solo the heralds easily

"
No Way Man
#29 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"This fight is a freakin joke right?

either prime or ion could solo the heralds easily

"
No Way Man"
Easily no contest
Before surfer could even blink prime would rip his silvery ass apart

Ion being Omnipotent could simply will silver surfer and morg out of existence

Prime or Ion could solo
#30 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio
SeSAW said:
"Actually if you want to be real about it Ion and Prime both have weakness that the Surfer can easily use to his advantage, I treid not to bring it up but Hal Jordan has forced me, to put it blunt surfer could solo."
Dont you ever get tired of getting destroyed by me on here

SuperBoy Prime as we discussed before
before surfer could even blink prime would tear surfer apart
surfer is not going to survive more then 1` or 2 hits from prime

ion? lead right hate to break it to u but sodams ring protects him from his weakness of lead
that is why the lead in his body hasnt been able to spread the ring is preventing it

prime would kill both surfer and morg in the blink of an eye

and sodam could simply erase them from existence

nuff said
#31 Posted by King Saturn (225174 posts) - - Show Bio
Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"King Saturn said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"This fight is a freakin joke right?

either prime or ion could solo the heralds easily

"
No Way Man"
Easily no contest
Before surfer could even blink prime would rip his silvery ass apart

Ion being Omnipotent could simply will silver surfer and morg out of existence

Prime or Ion could solo"
Prime isnt that much faster than Silver Surfer... Surfer could see him coming... and Sodom Yat would have some serious issues with Morg... since he is using the current ION Power ( which is not the Original ION Power which made the wielder is Omnipotent )
#32 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"King Saturn said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"This fight is a freakin joke right?

either prime or ion could solo the heralds easily

"
No Way Man"
Easily no contest
Before surfer could even blink prime would rip his silvery ass apart

Ion being Omnipotent could simply will silver surfer and morg out of existence

Prime or Ion could solo"
Prime isnt that much faster than Silver Surfer... Surfer could see him coming... and Sodom Yat would have some serious issues with Morg... since he is using the current ION Power ( which is not the Original ION Power which made the wielder is Omnipotent )"
Prime is many times faster then surfer is
Hes the only speedster to have escaped the speed force
and he counter blitzed three flashes

Morg isnt going to be a problem for Sodam
The embodiment of all the willpower in the universe
sodam could easily erase morg from existence
#33 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"King Saturn said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"This fight is a freakin joke right?

either prime or ion could solo the heralds easily

"
No Way Man"
Easily no contest
Before surfer could even blink prime would rip his silvery ass apart

Ion being Omnipotent could simply will silver surfer and morg out of existence

Prime or Ion could solo"
Prime isnt that much faster than Silver Surfer... Surfer could see him coming... and Sodom Yat would have some serious issues with Morg... since he is using the current ION Power ( which is not the Original ION Power which made the wielder is Omnipotent )"
Yat will eventually become as powerful if not more powerful then the Kyle Ion
However even right now Sodam is so far above the heralds its not even funny
#34 Posted by King Saturn (225174 posts) - - Show Bio
Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"King Saturn said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"King Saturn said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"This fight is a freakin joke right?

either prime or ion could solo the heralds easily

"
No Way Man"
Easily no contest
Before surfer could even blink prime would rip his silvery ass apart

Ion being Omnipotent could simply will silver surfer and morg out of existence

Prime or Ion could solo"
Prime isnt that much faster than Silver Surfer... Surfer could see him coming... and Sodom Yat would have some serious issues with Morg... since he is using the current ION Power ( which is not the Original ION Power which made the wielder is Omnipotent )"
Prime is many times faster then surfer is
Hes the only speedster to have escaped the speed force
and he counter blitzed three flashes

Morg isnt going to be a problem for Sodam
The embodiment of all the willpower in the universe
sodam could easily erase morg from existence"
I dont know about many times faster than Surfer... Surfer can travel beyond light speed
#35 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"King Saturn said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"King Saturn said:
"Hal_Jordan1986 said:
"This fight is a freakin joke right?

either prime or ion could solo the heralds easily

"
No Way Man"
Easily no contest
Before surfer could even blink prime would rip his silvery ass apart

Ion being Omnipotent could simply will silver surfer and morg out of existence

Prime or Ion could solo"
Prime isnt that much faster than Silver Surfer... Surfer could see him coming... and Sodom Yat would have some serious issues with Morg... since he is using the current ION Power ( which is not the Original ION Power which made the wielder is Omnipotent )"
Prime is many times faster then surfer is
Hes the only speedster to have escaped the speed force
and he counter blitzed three flashes

Morg isnt going to be a problem for Sodam
The embodiment of all the willpower in the universe
sodam could easily erase morg from existence"
I dont know about many times faster than Surfer... Surfer can travel beyond light speed"
Surfer is several times faster then light

however prime counter blitzed 3 flashes
wally was running on a cosmic treadmill at over 500x light speed and he wasnt even trying


wally at one point was able to beat instant travel
#36 Posted by King Saturn (225174 posts) - - Show Bio
Wally moved 500 times faster than Light Speed ? You sure that was the correct measurment of his speed ?
#37 Posted by Hal_Jordan1986 (292 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Wally moved 500 times faster than Light Speed ? You sure that was the correct measurment of his speed ?
"
sec ill try to find a scan
i would use my own comic but i dont have a scanner
#38 Edited by SeSAW (3677 posts) - - Show Bio

Dude I don't know why i even argue with you but by the way Surfer is faster than Prime as I have proven. He is thousands of times the speed of light and can be any where in the universe in seconds. and Sodam has never erased anyone from existence if he could do that he should have just erased Prime from existance.

#39 Posted by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio
SeSAW said:
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Prime faster than Surfer Ha that's a lie
#41 Edited by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio
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That's great. Yet again you show something that everyone knows and accepts.
Yes the Surfer can travel exceptionally fast in both normal space and hyperspace. Lets look closely at each of your images,

Image 1: The first scan mentions galaxies streaking past in a blur but no time frame is mentioned for the transit time. Therefore velocity cannot be calculated.
Image 2: Unless I missed something that again does not mention distance travelled or the time taken.
Image 3: Great, that sure helps us estimate his velocity, sentences like "At a speed that defies description in human terms". I can describe a lot of things. I know that if you travel from point A to point B in a straight line and it takes 1 hour, then your velocity is the distance divided by the time i.e. 15 mile per hour. Therefore the rate at which he travels can be understood as long as we have the distance and the time. The scan above does not provide either and he has apparently used an existing spatial effect (a wormhole) to traverse this 'huge' distance.

Could you actually have contributed something worthwhile ?


Prime faster than Surfer Ha that's a lie"
I did not say that Prime's movement speed was faster than the Surfers. SBP's reaction speed is faster but If you actually bothered to read my previous postings I said,

In flight speed Surfer might eclipse SMP but Ion can also enter Hyperspace.

I also said in a previous post

That is a lie and an exgerration.
From a standing start he must still accelerate to around 97% the speed of light before he enters hyperspace.
All this takes time and it will take far more than a few seconds to cross a galaxy.

which was in response to you saying that the Surfer

can be any where in the universe in seconds

He could not from a standing start or even if he was already coasting through the solar system as a 1/10th the speed of light.
He still has to accelerate in normal space to reach the critical velocity (I think that is roughly 95% the speed of light) to enter hyperspace.
He then still has to continue accelerating even when in hyperspace to reach his top velocity, at which speed it still takes him some time to cross a galaxy.
He cannot accelerate fast enough to get anywhere in the universe (which is far bigger than a galaxy). The Universe is approx 93 billion light years in daimeter according to some scientists. The local group of galaxies (of which the Milky Way is part of) consists of 35 galaxies alone. So when you said universe that was a big fat lie.

I have some suggestions for you.
1. Proof read what you type before you post it as you don't post accurate statements (galaxy vs universe for example).
2. Try to actually ask more questions if you don't know an answer to a issue before you try to steamroller in on a discussion
3. Don't get all your comic facts from internet sites. Go out and buy some older comics and read them.
4. Try to interpret the information on the page of a comic a lot more accurately.
5. Grow smarter.

As for answering questions, In response to this statement about your earlier scans, when you said

And creator Ive already shown you all this stuff  thousands of times 

I will ask again, show me each particular time that you have posted this evidence. I'll keep count for you.
#42 Posted by HalJordan1986x (4760 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime would tear both of their asses apart

#43 Posted by bloodmist (1050 posts) - - Show Bio
HalJordan1986x said:
"Prime would tear both of their asses apart"

Most likely. People think he is so overrated when I usually see it as the exact opposite at times from people here.
#44 Posted by HalJordan1986x (4760 posts) - - Show Bio
bloodmist said:
"HalJordan1986x said:
"Prime would tear both of their asses apart"

Most likely. People think he is so overrated when I usually see it as the exact opposite at times from people here."
Prime has the feats to prove his power
Hes basically a pre crisis Superman

Being able to survive a universes destruction, being able to take on 3 skyfather level guardians of the universe, stalemating Monarch, and being able to match PC supes in speed

Remember PC Supes was so fast he could enter Gods territory
Surfer has never been able to traverse dimensions with pure speed

And with PC Supes ridiculous level of strength
Morg and SS arent going  to survive hits from Prime

If they did they would'nt be getting back up
#45 Posted by Emerald_General_Jai (2306 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime is more than a physical match for Surfer or Morg, and in all reality would probably be able (and his track record supports it, regardless of your personal feelings on the matter) to take them both out at one. You gotta remember this is the guy who took on 3 kryptonians, Alan Scott and forces from the GL and Sinestro corps at the same time. An Kyle has been shown to be Surfer's equal. Sodam with access to the Ion power is able to match, if not exceed, the Surfer's EP capabilities (Ion power has been used to create pocket universes, and to bring his mother back from the dead effortlessly and that was all in the last incarnation using the Symbiot idea) if he uses them correctly, not to mention the fact that Kryptonians/Daxamites are physically superior to Surfer. They have better durability and strenght, better reaction time, the only thing Surfer really beats them in is Flight speed...but that only helps if he realizes that Prime has finished with Morg and he decides to run away....

#46 Posted by HalJordan1986x (4760 posts) - - Show Bio

Exactly
Prime was going through GLC and SC members like they were going out of style
SS could take on any individual lantern sure but he isnt going to plow through them like Prime did

Not to mention taking on three Guardians of the Universe
and any guardian could kill surfer and morg effortlessly

#47 Posted by melvinmaverick (32 posts) - - Show Bio

prime and ion wins,prime can take so much damage its not even funny hes a quicker fighter and would go all out and destroy surfer gray gay ass.cmon the dude prime takes universal destroyin damage without feelin pain and ion can hang with prime for awhile 1 on 1

#48 Posted by Caligula (12386 posts) - - Show Bio

Superboy Prime is my favorite comic book villain of all time, next to Judge Death. but i think the Heralds may take this one

#49 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (11832 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said: ION could maybe solo this if he uses the ION power right, SBP could solo for sure since he is immune to transmutation and was able to take down superman,powergirl and a couple of GL at the same time, he then threw AM into orbit and then took three blasts from three blue dudes and lived without so much as a scratch.
#50 Posted by Caligula (12386 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"@Caligula said: ION could maybe solo this if he uses the ION power right, SBP could solo for sure since he is immune to transmutation and was able to take down superman,powergirl and a couple of GL at the same time, he then threw AM into orbit and then took three blasts from three blue dudes and lived without so much as a scratch."

true, and ty i love Prime, he is hands down the coolest villain, since Judge Death. i guess im gonna say Prime and Ion then