Super Saiyan Goku vs Jin Mo-Ri vs Bambina

A battle of the 3 strongest incarnations of the Monkey King I know.

Who wins?

Rules:

• In character
• Start 50 feet away from each other, standing in a triangle
• Standard equipment
• Win by death, KO, or BFR
• Battle on uninhabited Earth

Callouts:

@princearagorn1@thitiki@cjdavis103@nyas@pern@jgames

God of High School:

@funsiized@dratini1331@lowlaville@unbreakable_fs4@killemall@etheral_dreams@jgames

Dragon Ball Z:

@tradog@pope052@justsomerandomkid@etheral_dreams@icecold14@hulkage@micah@notatreeabush@dreadpool10@frisky4@pern@jgames@o

inb4 this turns into a dbz debate thread

I don't know. This is hard, but I'm leaning towards Jin.

He's the fastest based off feats, and could just seal everybody or just fly them into the Sun. At the very least, he impales them with the RJB before they can react.

Ehh Bambina? He seems like he could take it. Him or Goku.

J-Mo.

Neither are as fast as Jin, or as durable him.

Pretty much.

Jin will squeeze out a tough victory over ssj1 goku.

As for bambina, I have no idea.

Goku has the Most DC but rather lacking in the physical department compared two the other 2. Depends if goku goes for a full blown ki blast right off the bat

Bambina has lightspeed reaction and combat speed, MHS+ travel speed (mach 147), can throw a 1km mountain around a planet with 220000km diameter for 1 week at mach 1 speed, crack a continent which has a surface area of 810 million sq km, lives on top of a 100G mountain

BTW, all of the above are feats with legitimate number, no powerscaling or pixel scaling

@josephgomes619: I know, I read Toriko. Jin has traded blows with someone who shattered the RJB with physical force (the RJB has survived 2 planets colliding at FTL speeds), has MFTL combat (1300x based off a simple calc) and travel speed, can seal entire planets, casually destroy planets, survive attacks with energy equivalent to supernovae, survive in space, and slaughters planet level gods with relative ease.

@kr0nus11: I already made this battle

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/jin-mori-vs-bambina-vs-goku-1671135/

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That's impressive, his durability is impressive but DC doesn't seem special for someone in Goku shoes. Goku durability is easily multi-planet + level as he should be far above Frieza who took a spirit bomb that had the energy from multiple planets, also surviving a planet explosion cut in half and no ki. His DC doesn't seem like it will do much against Goku. His speed is beyond Goku and Bambina though which will be trouble for either of them.

It's a toss up between Goku and Jin, Bambina get's one-shot by either of them

Even if you where to ignore potency in punches and go by this silly physical durability, Frieza no Ki and cut in half took a planet explosion, force and everything. Goku strength is beyond his own spirit bomb used on Frieza as he broke Frieza hand, something the spirit bomb which had enough force to crush the planet alone couldn't do. His strength is above Bambina, don't know about Jin

@sun-wukong: Agreed.

Goku will struggle only cause you made him Namek Saga. Cell Saga and above destroys. Jin or Goku imo

goku

@sun-wukong: Goku struggles with 40 tons. Bambina >>>>>> Goku in physical strength

@josephgomes619: Using inconsistencies lol honestly you down-players, have you no shame ?

Canon demonstrations of strength > power scaling and fan calcs

@amendment50: Yeah that's true, when Frieza took the force that can crush a planet with force alone. 40 tons is inconsistent

@sun-wukong: You're entitled to your opinion, and I don't mean to start a hostile debate or anything, but this is my opinion:

To get to "force that can crush a planet with force alone" you have to make assumptions about striking power, energy output, etc. etc. which are never explicitly stated. That's extrapolating. It's a fan calc.

To get to "40 tons" you don't have to make any assumptions.

In such a wildly varying/inconsistent work of fiction (one in which the writer pretty much came up with everything on the spot and had no scientific basis for any of the characters' feats) a solid number like 40 tons is one of the few grounding officially canon points we can use to determine how strong the characters are. To say that the 40 tons feat is "inconsistent" is to say that assumptions made by extrapolation are more accurate to the canon of the story than the wordswritten directly in the manga.

Assumptions should never take precedence over official canon. The "inconsistent" thing is a handwave to excuse absurd fan calculations. You could just as easily say that all the planets in the DBZ universe are made of paper mache and anyone could destroy one. You don't have to make any more assumptions to get there than you do to find any of these other silly calculations. You can't say that A must be true because B is canon, and then turn around and say that C can't be canon because it interferes with A. That's not how it works.

In short, this is the danger of wanting DBZ characters to be strong- you try to make them stronger. The fact is, it doesn't matter how strong they are. It doesn't make the story any better or worse.

Let's keep everything friendly here. Not interested in bloodthirsty debating. Peace.

@josephgomes619

Goku (SS)

I don't need any assumptions or fan-made calculations

Chapter: 314 (DBZ 120), P13.4-6

Goku: “I-I didn’t want to use this Genki-Dama. It will probably have too much force and squash the entire planet…But if I don’t defeat Freeza now, the universe itself will be in trouble…I don’t know if I’ll be able to pull this off right, but I’ve got to do it…You planets close to Namek! Give me just a little bit of your genki…!”

Guide book proving that it has enough force to destroy a planet, Final flash was said to do the same thing, Kamehameha was said to do the same thing. Yet according to you, ignore all things that put them planet level, go by logic that general tao is over hundreds times physical stronger.

Genki-dama [Spirit Ball]

The Genki-dama is a technique that gathers the energy held by grass and trees, humans and animals, objects and the atmosphere, and then fires it. A Genki-dama gathered from only Kaio’s planet had the destructive power to smash a super-fast brick. Going by this, in the case of a Genki-dama made on Earth, if you consider the Earth’s size plus the ability to make energy from the sun your ally, it would certainly have the force to destroy a planet. However, it has the weakness that it makes you defenseless until fired.

http://web.archive.org/web/20111103181911/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz07.php?m=04&id=attack_g-i#link

Frieza also took the force of a planet explosion with no ki + cut in half.

Ki has force in it, it can be used to create shock waves and everything. if they had 40 tons of strength, they wouldn't do half the things they shown to do.

And no, 40 tons is far from being solid in DBZ, that's you're opinion.

You can try to justify 40 tons as much as you want, you will just bring DBZ down with you to making nearly 90% of all other feats if not 99% of all other feats inconsistent. I can make eternity planet level and Galactus durability planet level with inconsistencies.

Calculations are used to indicate a scene, AT is not good with numbers, like when Krillin struggle with 50 pounds yet start of DB Goku picked up a car and physical crushed boulders. It's inconsistent for a reason.

@amendment50: lol im cool man. Being a DBZ fan myself, I feel sorry that some wankers are tarnishing reputation of the entire fanbase

Jin stomps both by feats.

@sun-wukong: I thought you were talking about physical striking power. Yes, obviously they can destroy planets with energy blasts, that is well established and explicitly stated by the Saiyan saga. That says nothing about their lifting strength. "Inconsistency" is just a buzzword for "canon that doesn't fit in with what I already decided is true."

I am talking about physical striking power, their energy blast carries force, same force that physical punches has, and their energy blast has enough force to destroy a planet and more and they take the damage and more. And no, inconsistencies fit to stuff that makes no sense with currents and previous showings and are way too low. Like Galactus nearly killed from a planet level attack or Borr only punching out planet level power yet he is as strong as Odin force Thor. Makes no sense on where they are currently at, like I said, if they had 40 tons of strength, they wouldn't do 99% of the things done.

It says lots on lifting strength when they can stop and handle forces beyond planet level and more itself. Ki does many things, shock waves, cutting, piercing and such. Doesn't mean it's energy, it doesn't have different properties.

40 tons is inconsistent, you want to accept it then fine, you're choice

Toriko's planet is 659 times bigger than normal Earth so that makes everything Bambina do more impressive.

@raizel: You are assuming the size of the planet before it grown.

Any vs thread with dbz involved has them absusing their insane destructive capacity to win.

With more time spent debunking their hyperbolic, specualted, abc logically feats then time spent on the debate itself. And don't even get me started on the fans abuse of power scailing....

Any thread involving dbz is a bore.

How strong is Bambina?

@nelomaxwell: Planet level with FTL speed generally

Thats why I said "Rather " goku can most certainly power up his striking strength to the same power as his ki blasts.

@ultra_supermanking: That's true, he done it against KP.

Is your namesake better than that?

@nelomaxwell: Yeah, destroying planets is not impressive to Goku in saiyan saga as said with Vegeta.

You think Bambina vs Akira Kongou would be good?

Umm pretty sure Bambina stomps this version of goku. You need at least android saga plus goku to compete with Bambina. All that said Jin destroys them both at the same time. He is literally superior in every single way. DC, speed, power, durability. He definitely wins

Don't know who Akira kongou is

@sun-wukong: The scan Raizel posted says "RIGHT NOW the planet is 659 times it's original area." It is that big.. or are you saying that he doesn't how big the planet was before it grew.

Yeah, we don't know the size of the planet before hand. Right now it was calculated to be 5 times the size of earth.

Akira is way too slow.

Irrelevant considering Jin Mo-Ri without armor tanked the destruction of a planet whose diameter is around half of the sun's in base mode while injured from fighting multiple herald level characters for hours before hand.

That's pretty impressive actually for durability.

@sun-wukong: Yeah, and that's not even his best feat.

Akira's too slow? He can dodge Iai banchou's sword slashes which can volley rain drops. I assume Bambina is FTL