Morals On
First Round: Super Saiyan 4 Goku vs Vegito
Second Round: Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta vs Vegito
Third Round: Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta vs Super Vegito
Win by death or KO
DEBATE!!!!!!!
Morals On
First Round: Super Saiyan 4 Goku vs Vegito
Second Round: Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta vs Vegito
Third Round: Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta vs Super Vegito
Win by death or KO
DEBATE!!!!!!!
Vegito is much stronger than SSJ 4 Goku.
And SSJ4 Gogeta vs Super Vegito is more debatable than you may think.
Goku isn't stomping lol GT is shit, he was having problems with a damn building.Now vs Gogeta, Vegito needs ssj2 or ssj3.
edit:if you want to argue with me, please consider the building thing.Let's face it GT is weak compared to Z, i really don't understand why some people say they are stronger, well they are weaker.And don't start with years of training, training to lose to a building.
i have some calculations that put base goku from buu saga higher than ssj2 goku from shadow dragon saga. so, goku curbstomps. super vegito from buu saga would beat goku, taking minor damage. base vegito from BoG would probably stalemate or beat ssj3 goku shadow dragon saga. BoG super vegito would curbstomp ssj4 goku. ssj4 gogeta is in a class of his own. he would think ssj3 vegito away.
The only calculations you can go by are based on Gokus base and ssj1 power levels during the freeza fight. Which were 3m for base, 150m for SSJ1. Which makes SSJ2 at minimum 300 million, SSJ3 1.2 Billion and SSJ4 12 billion. Official power level increments are x50/x2/x3/x10 Sadly anything else outside of minimum power for that level is pure speculation and to be ignored. All you can calculate is the lowest possible power level for each form based on Goku during the Freeza Saga. There is no proof that Fusion Dance offers any significant power boost, but there is significant proof that Fusion Earrings offer insane power boost. Goku said Goten and Trunks were the last hope for Earth because Vegeta was dead, Gohan was missing and Goku himself had to return to Otherworld soon. Assume that Goten and Trunks had the same power level in base form as Goku did during the Freeza Saga. Probably not, odds are slim and none but thats all you can calculate with.
3m + 3m = 6m base power level for Gotenks. He is potentially twice as strong in each saiyan form as Goku would be. Mystic Gohan proceeds to be pummel Buu who absorbed Piccolo and Gotenks. The mystic boost must have been insane. Then, Vegitto appears and pummels Buuhan. The Fusion Earrings made him. Mystic Gohan at minimum is definitely more than twice the power of SSJ3 Gotenks and in turn more than quadruple the power of SSJ3 Goku. Mystic Gohan is at minimum a power level of 4.8 Billion, which makes SSJ4 Goku only 3x his power.
Buuhan = 4.8Billion Mystic Gohan + 2.4 Billion SSJ3 Gotenks + 150mill piccolo or around 7.2 Billion. AT MINIMUM. This means that Buuhan is around 50% the strength of SSJ4 Goku.
Vegitto in BASE FORM looks more than twice as powerful as Buuhan. = 14.4 Billion at MINIMUM.
In base form, Veggito is already more powerful than SSJ4 Goku.
SSJ1 Veggito is 14.4 Billion x 50 = 700 billion. Once again use Gokus base form of 3m + vegetas and assume its the same at 3m = 6million base form without the Fusion Earrings. Fusion Earrings upped the fusion result by a factor of 2,333 or so.
Base Veggito and SSJ4 Goku are roughly on par. SSJ1 Vegitto eats him for Breakfast. Since there is no proof that Fusion Dance ups the power levels ( and if it did, these calculations would be MUCHHHHHHHHHH higher and it really seems silly doesnt it? Odds are strong fusion dance does nothing but combine two people. Twice the power ).
SSJ4 GOGETA = 24billion or so, or 30x weaker than SSJ1 Vegitto. If you believe in Base form drastically increasing over time and that Fusion dance gives a huge power boost as well, then the numbers are much higher than all of these calculations are are the bare minimum based on Goku in the FREEZA SAGA LOL!
Summed up. SSJ1 Vegittos Minimum power level cant be lower than 700 billion. SSJ4 Gogetas power level based on factual evidence is only 24 Billion. I am not defending anything because the calculations are just so silly, but math doesn't lie and this is comic vine, no feats = didnt happen. 0 Evidence for Fusion Dance greatly boosting the results power doesn't exist, but the fact that base Vegitto wrecked BUUHAN is proof that The Earrings are insanely OP'ed )
The only calculations you can go by are based on Gokus base and ssj1 power levels during the freeza fight. Which were 3m for base, 150m for SSJ1. Which makes SSJ2 at minimum 300 million, SSJ3 1.2 Billion and SSJ4 12 billion. Official power level increments are x50/x2/x3/x10 Sadly anything else outside of minimum power for that level is pure speculation and to be ignored. All you can calculate is the lowest possible power level for each form based on Goku during the Freeza Saga. There is no proof that Fusion Dance offers any significant power boost, but there is significant proof that Fusion Earrings offer insane power boost. Goku said Goten and Trunks were the last hope for Earth because Vegeta was dead, Gohan was missing and Goku himself had to return to Otherworld soon. Assume that Goten and Trunks had the same power level in base form as Goku did during the Freeza Saga. Probably not, odds are slim and none but thats all you can calculate with.
3m + 3m = 6m base power level for Gotenks. He is potentially twice as strong in each saiyan form as Goku would be. Mystic Gohan proceeds to be pummel Buu who absorbed Piccolo and Gotenks. The mystic boost must have been insane. Then, Vegitto appears and pummels Buuhan. The Fusion Earrings made him. Mystic Gohan at minimum is definitely more than twice the power of SSJ3 Gotenks and in turn more than quadruple the power of SSJ3 Goku. Mystic Gohan is at minimum a power level of 4.8 Billion, which makes SSJ4 Goku only 3x his power.
Buuhan = 4.8Billion Mystic Gohan + 2.4 Billion SSJ3 Gotenks + 150mill piccolo or around 7.2 Billion. AT MINIMUM. This means that Buuhan is around 50% the strength of SSJ4 Goku.
Vegitto in BASE FORM looks more than twice as powerful as Buuhan. = 14.4 Billion at MINIMUM.
In base form, Veggito is already more powerful than SSJ4 Goku.
SSJ1 Veggito is 14.4 Billion x 50 = 700 billion. Once again use Gokus base form of 3m + vegetas and assume its the same at 3m = 6million base form without the Fusion Earrings. Fusion Earrings upped the fusion result by a factor of 2,333 or so.
Base Veggito and SSJ4 Goku are roughly on par. SSJ1 Vegitto eats him for Breakfast. Since there is no proof that Fusion Dance ups the power levels ( and if it did, these calculations would be MUCHHHHHHHHHH higher and it really seems silly doesnt it? Odds are strong fusion dance does nothing but combine two people. Twice the power ).
SSJ4 GOGETA = 24billion or so, or 30x weaker than SSJ1 Vegitto. If you believe in Base form drastically increasing over time and that Fusion dance gives a huge power boost as well, then the numbers are much higher than all of these calculations are are the bare minimum based on Goku in the FREEZA SAGA LOL!
Summed up. SSJ1 Vegittos Minimum power level cant be lower than 700 billion. SSJ4 Gogetas power level based on factual evidence is only 24 Billion. I am not defending anything because the calculations are just so silly, but math doesn't lie and this is comic vine, no feats = didnt happen. 0 Evidence for Fusion Dance greatly boosting the results power doesn't exist, but the fact that base Vegitto wrecked BUUHAN is proof that The Earrings are insanely OP'ed )
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Did you ignore post # 9 completely? Also how do you debate a fight with Morals On but the only way to win is Death or KO. Wouldn't it be a KO only fight for each round?
Realistically,
Round 1 goku in a Slaughter stomp
Round 2 & 3 Gogeta in a Murder stomp
powergap between vegito and gogeta isn't aren't far enough for an ssj4 to battle fairly with ssj1
Round 1: SSJ4 Goku easily, think about it:
GT Base Goku>Z SSJ3 Goku.
GT SSJ Goku >/= Super Buu, Mystic Gohan.
GT SSJ2 Goku > Base Vegito > Buuhan.
Baby Vegeta > GT SSJ3 Goku Full Power > SSJ Vegito.
SSJ4 Goku > Baby Vegeta > Super Vegito > Buuhan.
Time Period:
GT Base Goku & Vegeta > Buu Saga Base Goku & Vegeta.
These time periods are FAR to apart for Vegito's Power to matchup to SSJ4 Goku's.
Super Vegito matches up to GT SSJ3 Goku at Full Power, he is below Baby Vegeta.
It's common sense and shouldn't need to be explained...
Round 2: Gogeta blinks and Vegito is finished,
Round 3: Gogeta lifts his finger and Vegito is finished.
@thedarklordpandamonium said:
Is that based off of SS4 being 10x SS3 or off of base Goku being > SS3 Goku?
Both.
Riiight, but Goku lost to a damn building, GT really isn't as powerful as you think, Vegito still wins.
@ghostrider2: Physical strength was never the main factor in Dragon Ball fights, not ever.
@pope052: they never did what Vegito did besides instead of training i think they were relaxing all day, GT is weak.Z>GT.
@audiorift: that's the most speculation i've seen in a long time. we all know that if you mess up you math at the beginning or even half way through, the end result is wrong. mystic gohan is not twice as strong as ssj3 gotenks. ssj3 gotenks could have slaughtered fat buu, but was just under superbuu, as he held his own for a short period before getting outclassed. mystic gohan has been stated to be strongest character in dbz unfused, but other than that he was stomping superbuu until superbuu absorbed gotenks, if he was more than double gotenks he would've been about equal to buutenks.
anyway, the powergap between potara and dance only exists because potara is a more effective fusion and because the two beings need not lower themselves to be equal. it's not enough for an entire ssj transformation to be fair. i'm sorry but it's not. my answers still stand.
potarais more powerfull than fusion. but ssj4 gogeta kills vegito each and every100% way. that's like saying ssj1 vegeta kills ssj4 goku
Why did you bump this?
SSJ4 Goku & Gogeta stomp Vegito.
@pope052: What do you know that I don't that supports that?
Jmarshmallow
Round One: They have even power, so Vegito would barely win due to having both Goku and Vegita's skills at his disposal.
Round two: Gogeta would obliterate him.
Round three: Same result.
Round 1: SSJ4 Goku stomps
Round 2: SSJ4 Gogeta murderstomps
Round 3: SSJ4 Gogeta curbstomps
@jgames: Omega Shenron negative Karma ball affecting all of reality and Base Kid Goku destroying a dimension are the same feat as what vegito and Buuhan scream was doin. Still GT characters stomp since they have way more Ki then Z.
Assuming this is Buu Saga Goku and Gogeta instead of GT (otherwise this would be a spite thread).
Round 1: SSJ4 Goku stomps. Make it SSJ Vegito and it might be a tie or Goku barely loses.
2. Gogeta makes Vegito explode by looking at him.
3. Same as round two.
I don't understand why people rate Vegito so highly.
I don't even understand the reasoning for potara fusion being stronger than the fusion dance
@amendment50: Something about a rivalry bonus... I didn't really buy that explanation.
lol Super Vegito = SSJ3 GT Goku? Never realized this.
Wow this without a doubt proves Beerus smashes GT verse with scaling and ignoring feats. 1% Beerus is so over Vegito that Goku won't even try the fusion. At best SSJ4 Goku = 10% Beerus which means 20% Beerus = SSJ4 Gogeta at BEST. 1% Beerus is far over Vegito though that he doesn't = 1% Beerus. Funny stuff. Glad this old thread was bumped.
@alphapunk: the fusion isn't a + b it's a+b x 10(or something like that but the multiplier might be much more)
@alphapunk: the fusion isn't a + b it's a+b x 10(or something like that but the multiplier might be much more)
Fusion dance is not a + b times 10 lol.
Even if it was 1% Beerus is so far over Goku he does not even try the technique, this is when he doesn't know Beerus can power up as well. How strong would someone have to be that Goku doesn't even try? 10x? 20x? Also Goku knows Vegito can turn SSJ2 most likely, when Vegito is compared in GT it has to be his SSJ1 form, when they say they havn't felt anything like this sinced Vegito. So no Beerus could be 10-20x over SSJ2 Vegito.
No matter how you look at it Beerus power scaled smashed Gogeta, with this power scale, which is the best, and they fact that flicking SSJ3 Goku shows he is hundreds of times over him, both put Beerus way over Gogeta. With feats it is firm and cannot be logically debated anymore. GT sucks and Super winzzz =)
every round here is a mismatch in favour of gt
no matter how inconsistent it is, there is no way vegitto is winning. At best SS3 gt goku = z super vegitto
@jgames: Omega Shenron negative Karma ball affecting all of reality and Base Kid Goku destroying a dimension are the same feat as what vegito and Buuhan scream was doin. Still GT characters stomp since they have way more Ki then Z.
Proof it effect all reality, bc it only show to effect Earth ,and slowly spread outward. Also destroying a pocket dimension is not as impressive as threatening to destroy reality itself, therefore collapsing a universe.
No where does say the word "pocket" Dimension and we all now you made that up however it is stated he can light up an entire galaxy and galaxies in dp are a quarter the size of a universe. Nice try we have been shown that onega shenron would affect entire reality unlike Buuhan who was opening dimensions within earth.
So Gogeta in 4th form > Beerus.
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