#1 Edited by Racob7 (5397 posts) - - Show Bio

It's Goku vs Superman! Sort of...

BFR is allowed.

Fight takes place in our solar system.

Morals on.

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#2 Edited by alcoholbob (1191 posts) - - Show Bio

Do I have to recite Comvine Rule #1?

#3 Edited by HeWhoSees (629 posts) - - Show Bio

Do I have to recite Comvine Rule #1?

What? It's Sun Wukong, not Goku.

#4 Edited by PowerWoman (3329 posts) - - Show Bio

PC superman overkill,survive big bang,faster than infinite,strength enough lift our entire universe

#5 Posted by alcoholbob (1191 posts) - - Show Bio

@alcoholbob said:

Do I have to recite Comvine Rule #1?

What? It's Sun Wukong, not Goku.

Superman wins by speedblitz.

#6 Edited by LimpoyzLoan (1630 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Sun Wukong takes this. Not only does he have magic, but he is immortal. He was able to take on all of heaven, and win, only person he didn't was Buddha, and he was omnipotent. He's defeated Thanos level beings, even above that. Plus if this is full power, than obviously Sun Wukong wins. He's achieved the same power as Buddha, making him an omnipotent being.

PC Supes is dead.

#7 Posted by MisterGuyMan (2027 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this the Legendary/Mythological Sun Wukong or the comic version?

#8 Posted by LimpoyzLoan (1630 posts) - - Show Bio

@alcoholbob: Sun Wukong would kill him before Supes can even get to him. He's an omnipotent being for God's sake.

Plus, he's immortal. Nothing is able to hurt him. Not even a universe busting attack.

#9 Posted by Shikarenji (1688 posts) - - Show Bio

sun wukong wins .

#10 Edited by LimpoyzLoan (1630 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, he beats Supes in the speed department. He was able to jump across Buddha's hand, (Which was the size of the entire universe) in literally a minute or 2.

#11 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2966 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Edited by LimpoyzLoan (1630 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer: Sure.

Hes the Great Sage equaling Heaven from Asain Myths. He Soloed Heaven himself including taking out 100,000 heavenly soldiers, taking out the Celestial Kingdoms including their strongest generals, went into Hell, beat quite a bit of demons, and erased his name from the book of death. It took Buddha to stop him .Buddha imprisoned him under several mountains with a 5 elements seal which negated suns powers. When the seal was removed, he easily busted out of those mountains. He also had his head decapicitated and easily survived that and it also got back on him. He even grew a head back one point in the series. He also got burned in the 8 trigrams furnace for 49 days (Which in heaven, 1 day = a year on earth) and the flames that the Furnace burns are as hot as the Sun itself. His fighting skill is also unmatched in the series. Here are his powers that i've seen in the series:

Super strength class 100+

FTL Reflexes (Jumped across Buddhas Hand which was the size of the entire Universe in seconds and could react to things at that speed)

Accelerated and Regenerative Healing Factor (Can even regenerate lost body parts including a head)

Invulnerability

Can Leap 180,000 Miles in 1 bound

Immortality

72 Lives (In rare cases should he die. Like to the samadhi fire)

Transformation/Shapeshifting

Flight

Can fly on clouds or on the wind

Astral Projection

Magic

Teleportation

Can Summon Armys of Monkeys (Lawl)

Can Control Wind to a certain extent

Can Breath Fire out of his mouth

Can Conjure Protective circles against Demons (To trap them in them or to keep them out)

Can alter the course of stars

Can transform a strand of his hair into anything

Size manipulation (Can grow or shrink)

Can see through Lies, Deception, and Evil

Can Freeze Time

His weapon is the Magical Golden Staff (Wieghs 6.5 Tons.), which can Multiply, change its size (To as small as keeping it in his ear or to the size that holded up a galaxy), and respond to sun's thoughts and does whatever he wants it to do.

#13 Edited by Bronze_Surfer (2966 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by LimpoyzLoan (1630 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer: Just about. There's probably only a couple of characters in fiction who can actually beat him. And Superman, even PC, would not come close to beating him. Hell, I'd say he could even beat Superman Prime 1,000,000

#15 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2966 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Edited by LimpoyzLoan (1630 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer: Eh, just my opinion. And if we're going by full power, than I'd say he could beat potentially anyone. He's pretty much TOAA in that level because he is above or equal to Buddha. And pretty much hurting him is next to impossible. I don't think there is anything Superman can do to hurt him.

#17 Posted by King Saturn (223823 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually think Pre Crisis Superman wins here...

just because Sun Wukong is Immortal does not mean he can not be Knocked Out... I mean we have seen Superman KO Lobo before who is essentially Immortal so why can't the same be done unto Sun Wukong ? Also, even though Monkey Man is seriously strong, I don't know if dude can push planets like they are Beach Balls like Pre Crisis Superman can... add that in with Pre Crisis Superman's speed to move several times FTL and I think Kal-El can fire on Monkey Boy and drop his azz like a Bad Habit.

#18 Posted by jamesisaacs (213 posts) - - Show Bio

Sun Wukong is too strong for any and every western comic hero/ villain bar the obvious omnipotent.

#19 Edited by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

PC Superman.

#20 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn:

in Chinese mythology, it's an above-average Archer-God can kill nine suns (each equivalent to the current sun around Earth) in one day

SUn WUkong took on the entirety of heaven without much trouble

#21 Posted by XxGin (1350 posts) - - Show Bio

@alcoholbob: Supes has nothing on Wukong. Supes would speedblitze Wukong? More like Wukong would speedblitze Supes. That guy jumped from one side of infinity all the way to the other end in seconds. The infinity is bigger than the universe way. The end of the infinity means end of space and time like to the end of the cosmos. Plus Wukong has like instant teleportation.

#22 Posted by Name55555 (218 posts) - - Show Bio

PC superman overkill,survive big bang,faster than infinite,strength enough lift our entire universe

hahaha faster that infinite??

#23 Posted by XxGin (1350 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn:

I actually think Pre Crisis Superman wins here...

just because Sun Wukong is Immortal does not mean he can not be Knocked Out... I mean we have seen Superman KO Lobo before who is essentially Immortal so why can't the same be done unto Sun Wukong ? Also, even though Monkey Man is seriously strong, I don't know if dude can push planets like they are Beach Balls like Pre Crisis Superman can... add that in with Pre Crisis Superman's speed to move several times FTL and I think Kal-El can fire on Monkey Boy and drop his azz like a Bad Habit.

The Monkey King would be able to fart a galaxy. Monkey king was about to eat a sun if it wasn't for a intervention of a diety. Supes would speedblitze Wukong? More like Wukong would speedblitze Supes. That guy jumped from one side of infinity all the way to the other end in seconds. The infinity is bigger than the universe way. The end of the infinity means end of space and time like to the end of the cosmos. Plus Wukong has like instant teleportation.

Monkey king wins with ease.

#24 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16099 posts) - - Show Bio

It took a freaking God to beat sun wukong. Even pc superman gets lolstomped here.

#25 Posted by XxGin (1350 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

I made a similar thread some years back. Apparently, the old-school viners believed that Sun Wukong is leagues beyond Superman. I think it was a consensus that only Gold Superman Prime One Million is on par with Sun Wukong. If only I can find that thread...

#27 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

wukong is a god im pretty sure superman even at pc levels can't take on that

#28 Posted by MirrorWave4 (1099 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku...(cough,cough) I mean Sun Wukong wins!!! ;)

#29 Edited by XxGin (1350 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: When he soloed all of heavens he wasn't even god yet the became god at the end of the series which increased his powers to unimaginable levels.

Man doesn't that sound familiar Goku...(cough,cough)

But seriously Wukong is countless leagues above both Goku and Supes.

#30 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxgin: goku never fought the heavens to become a real god so they are in no way similar...

#32 Edited by Racob7 (5397 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn: He can hold up galaxies with his staff. Pretty sure planets wouldn't be a stretch.

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#33 Posted by XxGin (1350 posts) - - Show Bio

@racob7:

Pretty sure he can hold up a lot more than galaxies.

#34 Posted by THC (367 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447 said:

@xxgin: goku never fought the heavens to become a real god so they are in no way similar...

see: battle of gods

#35 Posted by LimpoyzLoan (1630 posts) - - Show Bio

@thc: The god thing is hyperbole. AT even stated so himself. He just possesses power on a whole other dimension.

#36 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@thc said:

@kingjames447 said:

@xxgin: goku never fought the heavens to become a real god so they are in no way similar...

see: battle of gods

no

#37 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

There's a lot of things that is universal level back during the ancient time that if were to translate it into modern world, it would be mere planetary level, same goes with Olympus mythology.

#38 Edited by THC (367 posts) - - Show Bio

@limpoyzloan said:

@thc: The god thing is hyperbole. AT even stated so himself. He just possesses power on a whole other dimension.

lol when did Akira's word being definite. Feats > claims, buddy

"God" is clearly ambiguous and that would just be his opinion of the matter. Obviously Akira knows more about what's in store than us so it probably just means Bills has superiors far more powerful than he is (example: his servant Whis who is twice as powerful). Generally "God" simply refers to a higher, divine lordship. Which Bills clearly qualifies for.

So, where did Akira state this nonsense, and how does "possessing power on a whole other dimension" disqualify him from the definition of a God?

The post I responded to stated "Goku never fought the heavens and became a god himself so they are no way similar." The simple existence of Battle of Gods completely refutes that statement. Though surpassing Grand Supreme Kai alone puts Goku at that level. But of course ignorants who know nothing of DBZ probably think Spider-man could take on a Kai, because of their lack of feats.

#39 Posted by LimpoyzLoan (1630 posts) - - Show Bio

@thc: Dude, he's the creator. Whatever he says about the subject is canon. You know why? Because he's the C. R. E. A. T. O. R. If he said Goku could punch mars and it would turn into a donkey and blow up the entire universe, it still goes.

#40 Posted by Racob7 (5397 posts) - - Show Bio

STOP ARGUING ABOUT GOKU

HE ISN'T IN THIS THREAD

RACOB HAS SPOKEN

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#41 Posted by LimpoyzLoan (1630 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn: Sun Wukong jumped across Buddha's hand in seconds, which was as large as the universe. He beats Supes by a mile in the speed department. And he hits much harder than Supes ever could and he's a martial artist, and he has magic (Not sure if magic affected PC Supes)

PC Supes is not winning this one.

#42 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn: Sun Wukong jumped across Buddha's hand in seconds, which was as large as the universe. He beats Supes by a mile in the speed department. And he hits much harder than Supes ever could and he's a martial artist, and he has magic (Not sure if magic affected PC Supes)

PC Supes is not winning this one.

The "universe" to the ancient people is most likely less than a solar system distance in modern days.

#43 Posted by LimpoyzLoan (1630 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks: I don't understand that. The ancient people's understanding is not considered in this fight. If it says he jumped across Buddha's hand which was the size of the universe, he did.

#44 Edited by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks: I don't understand that. The ancient people's understanding is not considered in this fight. If it says he jumped across Buddha's hand which was the size of the universe, he did.

It matters, there're many battles similar to this and universe size does matters, out of many examples, the God of War universe is barely the size of the planet, that's why Kratos tend to looses in many battles.

#45 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks:

not in Chinese mythology, with 36 heavens and 18 hells, the massive domains of dragons, all thoose other planes above and below earth where giants live for thousands of years

i maean, in chinese mythology theirs a dragon who's 10,000 miles long and he's not even that big of a deal in the cosmic scheme of things

#46 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks:

not in Chinese mythology, with 36 heavens and 18 hells, the massive domains of dragons, all thoose other planes above and below earth where giants live for thousands of years

i maean, in chinese mythology theirs a dragon who's 10,000 miles long and he's not even that big of a deal in the cosmic scheme of things

Heavens and hells is in different plane, but the problem is how big is each plane? It's easier to transverse between different dimensions.

Regardless, the size logic flaws applied to PC Superman also, even red giant is the size of a building.

#47 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
#48 Edited by XxGin (1350 posts) - - Show Bio

@limpoyzloan said:

@king_saturn: Sun Wukong jumped across Buddha's hand in seconds, which was as large as the universe. He beats Supes by a mile in the speed department. And he hits much harder than Supes ever could and he's a martial artist, and he has magic (Not sure if magic affected PC Supes)

PC Supes is not winning this one.

Large as the universe? Lol. Alot larger. Like large as the cosmos large.

#49 Posted by XxGin (1350 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks: Okay allow me to get this straight. The Buddah's hand is bigger than the universe why and how do I know? The Presence said it himself when he was telling Lucifer about Monkey King. The Presence said himself that Monkey King traveled to the other side of infinity with one leap and back with another. The universe is not infinite, it is no where near infinite.

#50 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxgin said:

@angryhulks: Okay allow me to get this straight. The Buddah's hand is bigger than the universe why and how do I know? The Presence said it himself when he was telling Lucifer about Monkey King. The Presence said himself that Monkey King traveled to the other side of infinity with one leap and back with another. The universe is not infinite, it is no where near infinite.

The Monkey King looped back, that mean the universe is not infinite, I could imagine that as a spherical universe with definite volume. There're many ways to interpret the word "infinity" in comics, and PC Superman have flown out of infinity (literally!) before as well. I've read that panel where Presence tell a tale and that's how I interpret it.