Suki vs. Ty-Lee

didn't this already happen in the boiling rock?

yeah, but Ty-Lee and Azula escaped before the battle was finished :P

Ty Lee literally wins in about 35 seconds

Ty Lee is just too quick and agile for Suki to handle. She can just disable her with her acupuncture-like punches.

I prefer Suki as character and as warrior, but Ty-lee's skills are indeed better, I think that the main Korra's villain (Amon) would use her style too...

Ty Lee.

@The Stegman: The first season would began in 2013 (DAMN)...

@Deadcool: 2013? Damn it! :3

@Sissel: Indeed... Damn it!

I think this could go either way. IIRC, when Suki, Zuko and Sokka's dad was escaping from the prison, didn't Suki fight Ty Lee, and neither could take the other? It's been awhile so I could be wrong, but I believe that's how that fight went down.

its a

draw when they fought neither was able to get the upperhand because suki devised a fighting style to counter ty lees chi blocking

                   

I prefer Suki as character and as warrior, but Ty-lee's skills are indeed better, I think that the main Korra's villain (Amon) would use her style too...

                   

               

stalemate .... both are equally matched

@AlmightyPush said:

Ty Lee.

@Sissel said:

@Deadcool: 2013? Damn it! :3

I am glad to know that I was wrong.

Suki.

Suki is more skilled, Ty Lee is faster. I'd give this fight a 50/50 by feats with Suki's new chi blocking abilities. But let's face it, in the Boiling Rock, Suki was eventually going to lose.
Now, in theory, Ty Lee logically takes a majority because while Suki learned chi blocking in the comics, Ty Lee became much more skilled as a Kyoshi Warrior. So with a speed edge and comparable skill, she wins.

Anyway, on the tiers, apart from the battle, Ty Lee is higher due to her exceptionally insane agility. Esspecially in-verse against benders.

My stand on ty is the same , with knowledge she not that dangerous but without knowledge she has the surprise factor which gives her an advantage

Overall she not that good and there are a long list of characters that can either beat her or fight her to a standstill

@anthp2000: Why was Suki going to lose? They were even and that was her without her gear.

Chi blocking is a bigger advantage. TyLee hasn't shown anything in the comics that was superior to EOS TyLee, whereas Suki learned to chiblock.

Sukis agility is also fantastic and very close to TyLees.

Because Ty Lee would eventually land a shot and take her out.

That's why I said in theory and by logic. By feats, it's a 50/50. Sokka trained with Suki for less than a day and improved. If Ty Lee trained 3 years, then I'd bet she became much better.

It's not very close to Ty Lee, they're not comparable. Suki is Azula's tier of agility, Ty Lee is a tier above. She's Ming Hua and Aang tier.

Or suki would eventually land a shot and she'd fall off the gondola.

By feats you could argue 50/50 since the only fight they had was a stalemate. By logic Suki wins since her upgrade from the comics was superior to TyLees.

Azula is not replicating Sukis boiling rock feat. She is closer to TyLee than Azula is to her.

@smxlr8: Yeah, I'd argue its Ty's agility and surprise factor that makes her a threat, rather than her actual H2H skill.

Or no because Suki cannot send people flying with regular punches. Suki was basically delaying the inevitable.

No, by feats I could argue a 50/50 because we haven't seen Ty Lee's upgrade. In logic and in theory, Ty Lee simply wins due to comparable skill and superior speed.

Not even close, Azula is arguably even more agile. Suki did nothing she cannot replicate there. Ty Lee is on another tier. The one that lets her run on ropes, dance around pillars and gondolas and do mid-air flips 30 ft. above the ground.

And she's also insanely fast. And she got better in the comics.

@anthp2000: No need to send them flying, just knock them back a little.

Suki is the more skilled H2H combatant as seen when she matched and stalemated TyLee without Chiblocking or her gear. Boiling rock fight showed that EOS Suki w/o gear = EOS TyLee = Comic TyLee. Comic Suki with standard gear > TyLee.

Loled at Azula being more agile though. She couldn't even replicate the first part of that feat where Suki runs on fighting peoples heads.

@anthp2000: Speed that Suki had no problem matching at the boiling rock.

If she just knocks her back little, she'll simply get back up on the gondola with her agility. She still wins.

No, it didn't. It showed that Suki can hold off Ty Lee, and esspecially without BFR, gear and chi blocking she doesn't stand a chance. Comic Ty Lee is simply better due to skill. Again, if Sokka can get better with less than a day training, Ty Lee can get much better with 3 years training. And Ty Lee also has gear.

Who says she cannot run on people's heads exactly? She has done much, much more advanced acrobatics. Suki is at best on par with Azula in agility.

As the fight goes on, Ty Lee can get that advantage. She was obviously not fighting at her best there. Not like when she blitzed Katara or when she was fighting the Kyoshi Warriors. Her combat speed is obviously superior to some deegre.

@anthp2000: No because it was quite clearly shown she was incapable of landing a hit on Suki.

she doesn't stand a chance

Stop wanking your favorite characters, it's getting boring.

Comic Ty Lee is simply better due to skill.

False, any superiority that TyLee holds over Suki would be in the speed and acrobatics department, which is minor. Suki surpassed her in H2H skill the moment she learned chiblocking since she could already stalemate her without it.

Cool so your entire argument is based around weird abc logic, baseless assumptions and conjecture. In other words, it's entirely irrelevant since you can't prove anything. Too bad she has no feats of using said gear at a level that would give her any sort of advantage over someone as skilled as Suki, (just like Su vs Kuvira :) ).

I do. Somersaults are not more advanced than running on peoples heads. Care to provide proof that Azula can do anything of the sort?

@anthp2000: Base kyoshi warriors and an unprepared Katara with one water pouch are absolute fodder compared to Suki. You just gonna blame plot every time a character you like doesn't win?

@vengefulshot: yep also she seems to overhyped which makes her overrated

For characters that can beat or draw with her well in general there's too many to list but if we focus on just female characters then it's a really long list

For the time being.

I don't even like Ty Lee individually that much. I might as well like Suki more, individually. And please don't be like that. Give me a good reason as to how EoS gearless Suki without BFR abilities stands any kind of chance against Ty Lee?

And again, stop ignoring my argument. Ty Lee became more skilled.

You know that''s not ABC logic. It's simple logic.
I'm pretty sure she can simply move her hand to put a shield in front of her?
And you're once again ignoring the fact that they made it explicitly clear Kuvira only got a sligth advantage due to gear.

Mid-air flips are much more advanced than running on heads...

I didn't even say it's plot. It was made explicitly clear that Ty Lee underestimated Suki by the way she was smiling at the start of the fight. If she is serious (like Suki) she can use her speed advantage.

@anthp2000:

For the time being.

So no proof, as per.

I don't even like Ty Lee individually that much. I might as well like Suki more, individually. And please don't be like that. Give me a good reason as to how EoS gearless Suki without BFR abilities stands any kind of chance against Ty Lee?

See "The Fight at the Boiling Rock".

And again, stop ignoring my argument. Ty Lee became more skilled.

In your head cannon. In terms of feats? No. Provide proof.

You know that''s not ABC logic. It's simple logic.

"After training with Suki Sokka got better so that means TyLee would too even though it was never shown". Is ABC logic. Sokka is not TyLee and was shown to be a very quick learner like with his time with Piandoa. It is also much easier to improve when you suck(early book 1 Sokka) than when you're an established fighter.

I'm pretty sure she can simply move her hand to put a shield in front of her?

Any untrained idiot could do that. Provide feats of TyLee using her new gear, instead of just assuming it would be anything more than a non factor in a fight with non fodder.

And you're once again ignoring the fact that they made it explicitly clear Kuvira only got a sligth advantage due to gear.

And once again you can't provide any proof of Suyin using her gear to prove that it would be of any use to her in a fight againts Kuvira, who has much better feats of using said gear.

Mid-air flips are much more advanced than running on heads...

Based off what? Just about every character in the show can do flips to some degree. TyLee, Suki, Aang and Ming are the only people in the verse that have the feats to suggest they could effortlessly run on moving peoples heads.

Yeah, the point here is that the moment the fight started, Suki blocked her hands which is letting her get a monmentum. It's much easier to find an opening with superior speed when you start serious.

Proof is, Suki does not have the feats to be as fast as Ty Lee in combat speed. Doesn't mean Suki cannot keep up. Just that Ty Lee is faster.

Where she was delaying the inevitable. Give me a good reason on why Suki could have won, ever there.

No, I won't provide proof because you once again ignore my statements. By feats, it's a 50/50. By logic, Ty Lee wins. I made what I meant pretty clear from the first post.

No ABC logic is A beats B and B beats C so A beats C, and that's awful logic. What I said, is that Sokka training for less than a day with Suki and getting better, is proof enough that Ty Lee training for 3 years with her, will get better.

Since we agree Ty Lee can do that, let's see the Kyoshi Gear a little bit:

• Fans: By using the fans, Suki cannot chi-block, meaning she is at a disadvantage while using them, so she better not.
• Shield: Both of them can use it pretty simply.
• Sword: Suki's best feat with it is getting disamred by a barehanded Azula. I'm sure Ty Lee can replicate that.

No advantage overall.

Really? Because all Kuvira did was move her hand with a blade (something Suyin did to cut Lin's cable) and simply launching the cable out of her armor (again, something Suyin can do, my grandma could do that if she was a metalbender). I don't know what makes her gear feats much better if at all.

Mid-air flips by just jumping. No, they can't.

@anthp2000:

Yeah, the point here is that the moment the fight started, Suki blocked her hands which is letting her get a monmentum. It's much easier to find an opening with superior speed when you start serious.

Ignoring the evidence once again. TyLee got serious as soon as the fight started. It's like your blind.

Proof is, Suki does not have the feats to be as fast as Ty Lee in combat speed. Doesn't mean Suki cannot keep up. Just that Ty Lee is faster.

And TyLee's combat speed advantage, which is minimal, did not help her defeat Suki here. So again, you have no proof.

Where she was delaying the inevitable. Give me a good reason on why Suki could have won, ever there.

By tagging TyLee before she herself got tagged. Delaying the inevitable based off of your hedacanon. The fight clearly showed them as evenly matched.

No, I won't provide proof because you once again ignore my statements. By feats, it's a 50/50. By logic, Ty Lee wins. I made what I meant pretty clear from the first post.

I'm not ignoring your statements at all. I'm asking you to provide evedince for your ridiculous claims, but clearly, you cant prove anything:

No, I won't provide proof

And this is where you lose all credibility.

No ABC logic is A beats B and B beats C so A beats C, and that's awful logic. What I said, is that Sokka training for less than a day with Suki and getting better, is proof enough that Ty Lee training for 3 years with her, will get better.

No, it is not. Sokka is not Tylee, Sokka is a faster learner by feats, and once again, getting better when you're pathetic is far easier than getting better when your already good. In fact, by feats, TyLee peaked at EOS as she did not improve at all during the comics.

Since we agree Ty Lee can do that, let's see the Kyoshi Gear a little bit:

• Fans: By using the fans, Suki cannot chi-block, meaning she is at a disadvantage while using them, so she better not.

Gives a reach advantage. Already established that TyLee is incapable of chiblocking Suki as of the Boiling Rock, and the fans mean that if Suki lands a hit, TyLees arm gets sliced off.

• Shield: Both of them can use it pretty simply.

Nah, Suki has feats of blocking Azula with it. TyLee has no feats to say she could use it effectively.

• Sword: Suki's best feat with it is getting disamred by a barehanded Azula. I'm sure Ty Lee can replicate that.

Fair.

However, I wasn't the one claiming that gear was a huge advantage. In fact I explicitly stated that learning to chi block was a bigger advantage than gear, and since Suki was already stalemating TyLee without that, thank you for proving my point.

Really? Because all Kuvira did was move her hand with a blade (something Suyin did to cut Lin's cable) and simply launching the cable out of her armor (again, something Suyin can do, my grandma could do that if she was a metalbender). I don't know what makes her gear feats much better if at all.

Aims for Su's neck and use the blade to grip the railing and kick Su in the face. Uses the cables as she leaps back to her feat at a speed Suyin fails to react to, and uses it to ragdoll her.

Su has not shown a blade as part of her standard gear, and she doesn't remotely have the feats with strips, cables or swords to be on par with Kuvira. In fact, Su hasn't shown she is capable of ragdolling people that are tagged with metal at all, only Kuvira has shown that ability.

You want to claim that Su can do whatever Kuvira can with gear: Why. Don't. You. Prove it.

Mid-air flips by just jumping. No, they can't.

Every gymnast that's been training for more than a few months can do a flip. And yes, they can. Bolin, Mako, Katara, Ghazan, Zaheer, P'li, Suyin, equalist fodder and much, much more all have feats of doing flips from a jump.

Ty lee in a close fight.

I thought I had commented in this before...

For me, it could go either way... Suki is sure a more skilled H2H combatant... Ty Lee has the edge on speed, that's the thing... but I think, if serious enough, Suki could take her down

stop wanking ty lee

Ty Lee

Ty Lee after a though fight, Suki might have slightly better H2H skills but Ty Lee has better agility and speed.

While she probably have better traditional training, I would say that Ty-Lee's skills are way better.

Ty Lee.

ohohoho imagine bumping 7y old thread

In the preview pages of Imbalance Part Three, Suki is versed enough in Chi-Blocking to teach it to an army. She also uses it regularly, like when she brought down Yaling. Ty Lee has also been trained as a Kyoshi Warrior. So they both have the same fighting styles at their disposal and know each other very well. Ty Lee is still more acrobatic but I think Suki is a bit more well rounded overall. I'm kind of torn.

the cuter one

Both massively subsonic sub chair level turbofodder slower than my grandma. Random street thug with a gun solos