Sub-Zero vs Master Chief

Pretty sure Sub-Zero has this.  He's faster, better H2H, and better projectiles.  It's definitely not a stomp, but he wins with some effort.

Not sure if Sub can shoot fast enough to hit Chief. He's a bullet dodger after all.

" I'm not confident in Subzero's ability to win this at all. Master Chief throws a bucket of water on him = win. "

" @Hellos said:

" I'm not confident in Subzero's ability to win this at all. Master Chief throws a bucket of water on him = win. "

What? 0_o "

Skip to the end of the fight. :P

" @Hellos said:

" I'm not confident in Subzero's ability to win this at all. Master Chief throws a bucket of water on him = win. "

What? 0_o "

" @Prince CortSether said:

" @Hellos said:

" I'm not confident in Subzero's ability to win this at all. Master Chief throws a bucket of water on him = win. "

What? 0_o "

Water covers him and then freezes him.  I don't think it'd work either. "

Sub Zero takes this. MC is the shat, but SZ will just freeze his surroundings. I'm not sure, but I think MC's armor can be frozen. MC cannot be caught off guard, because SZ will blast him, MC cannot get near SZ because he can clone himself and freeze MC.

On top of my head, here's Sub's feats from the MK video game...

• Ice clone

• Ice blast
• Freezing his surroundings
• Fast punches / kicks (his combo)
• Fatalities (Pull your skull including your spine, Freezing you then shattering you to pieces, etc)
  

" Sub Zero should win this... as long as we are talking about current versions... SZ has some pretty cool attacks with Ice now "

" @King Saturn said:

" Sub Zero should win this... as long as we are talking about current versions... SZ has some pretty cool attacks with Ice now "

I haven't played MK since MK3. I know he is waaaaaaay cooler now. "

He have a hammer, i am sure, the hammer could destroy Sub Zero powers.
Also Master Chief on the books, animation and comics is to damn fast an strong.

" @MrRagePants said:

" @King Saturn said:

" Sub Zero should win this... as long as we are talking about current versions... SZ has some pretty cool attacks with Ice now "

I haven't played MK since MK3. I know he is waaaaaaay cooler now. "

indeed... his command over his Ice Powers are incredible now...  "

Have to go with MC. The video game dosn't give him much justice agility and speed wise but in the books he can dodge bullets, has near unbreakable bones and can lift around five tons.

" @King Saturn said:

" @MrRagePants said:

" @King Saturn said:

" Sub Zero should win this... as long as we are talking about current versions... SZ has some pretty cool attacks with Ice now "

I haven't played MK since MK3. I know he is waaaaaaay cooler now. "

indeed... his command over his Ice Powers are incredible now...  "

How fast is the ice then? I keep hearing everyone talk about how it's going to tag MC but I see no evidence that it's fast enough to do so. "

" @King Saturn: How large a radius? How quickly can he do such an attack? Is he going to be able to do so before hot plasma hits him in the face? Does even use that type attack often cannon wise? "

" @Decoy Elite said:

" @King Saturn: How large a radius? How quickly can he do such an attack? Is he going to be able to do so before hot plasma hits him in the face? Does even use that type attack often cannon wise? "

1. how large a radius ? less than a mile 
2. how quickly can he do the attack ? pretty quick... but as I said... the speed varies 
3. is he going to be able to do it before he is fired upon ? maybe... 
4. does he use this attack often canon wise ? doesnt really have to... but since its an all out battle he can here since the stakes are high "

" @King Saturn: How large a radius? How quickly can he do such an attack? Is he going to be able to do so before hot plasma hits him in the face? Does even use that type attack often cannon wise? "

" Have to go with MC. The video game dosn't give him much justice agility and speed wise but in the books he can dodge bullets, has near unbreakable bones and can lift around five tons. "

" He have a hammer, i am sure, the hammer could destroy Sub Zero powers. Also Master Chief on the books, animation and comics is to damn fast an strong. "

" @King Saturn said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" @King Saturn: How large a radius? How quickly can he do such an attack? Is he going to be able to do so before hot plasma hits him in the face? Does even use that type attack often cannon wise? "

1. how large a radius ? less than a mile 
2. how quickly can he do the attack ? pretty quick... but as I said... the speed varies 
3. is he going to be able to do it before he is fired upon ? maybe... 
4. does he use this attack often canon wise ? doesnt really have to... but since its an all out battle he can here since the stakes are high "

1. Can I see this  the attack in question then? 2. Is pretty quick faster than a bullet? 3. You don't sound very confident in that. 4. Well then if they're going all out, MC just shoots at Sub Zero with a crap ton of plasma. I don't know of any dodging feats for Sub Zero, but I'd say he'd be hard pressed to dodge ever plasma shot and every shot can one shot him so..... "

" @Decoy Elite said:

" @King Saturn said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" @King Saturn: How large a radius? How quickly can he do such an attack? Is he going to be able to do so before hot plasma hits him in the face? Does even use that type attack often cannon wise? "

1. how large a radius ? less than a mile 
2. how quickly can he do the attack ? pretty quick... but as I said... the speed varies 
3. is he going to be able to do it before he is fired upon ? maybe... 
4. does he use this attack often canon wise ? doesnt really have to... but since its an all out battle he can here since the stakes are high "

1. Can I see this  the attack in question then? 2. Is pretty quick faster than a bullet? 3. You don't sound very confident in that. 4. Well then if they're going all out, MC just shoots at Sub Zero with a crap ton of plasma. I don't know of any dodging feats for Sub Zero, but I'd say he'd be hard pressed to dodge ever plasma shot and every shot can one shot him so..... "

1. I dont have the footage for it so... N/A 
2. dont know... and cant know cause MK doesnt have speed indication for characters or feats
3. how can anything be absolute in a hypothetical battle between two characters who dont know each other anyways ? 
4. actually I think Sub Zero is pretty good and dodging and using his Ice... he has in game feats that show this...  "

" @MrRagePants: The animation show Spartans at a DBZ power level. "

" @MrRagePants: I meant large radius attacks.  I didn't know that Sub Zero could dodge a large barrage of plasma(you know multiple shots in rapid succession.) or that Ermac's blasts are as fast as bullets or that he fired them rapidly. Oh and I like how in your scenario Sub Zero dodges every single plasma shot and grenade from MC when he's not only a trained marksman, but also has 100 shots to fire(assuming the plasma pistol has full ammo) "

 
 @Decoy Elite said:

" @MrRagePants: I meant large radius attacks.  I didn't know that Sub Zero could dodge a large barrage of plasma(you know multiple shots in rapid succession.) or that Ermac's blasts are as fast as bullets or that he fired them rapidly. Oh and I like how in your scenario Sub Zero dodges every single plasma shot and grenade from MC when he's not only a trained marksman, but also has 100 shots to fire(assuming the plasma pistol has full ammo) "

Actually, Sub doesn't even need to dodge the bullets, he'll make an Ice shield to block them off. The only thing that concerns me is the Hammer, and it has what? 2 shots at most? "

" @King Saturn said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" @King Saturn said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" @King Saturn: How large a radius? How quickly can he do such an attack? Is he going to be able to do so before hot plasma hits him in the face? Does even use that type attack often cannon wise? "

1. how large a radius ? less than a mile 
2. how quickly can he do the attack ? pretty quick... but as I said... the speed varies 
3. is he going to be able to do it before he is fired upon ? maybe... 
4. does he use this attack often canon wise ? doesnt really have to... but since its an all out battle he can here since the stakes are high "

1. Can I see this  the attack in question then? 2. Is pretty quick faster than a bullet? 3. You don't sound very confident in that. 4. Well then if they're going all out, MC just shoots at Sub Zero with a crap ton of plasma. I don't know of any dodging feats for Sub Zero, but I'd say he'd be hard pressed to dodge ever plasma shot and every shot can one shot him so..... "

1. I dont have the footage for it so... N/A 
2. dont know... and cant know cause MK doesnt have speed indication for characters or feats
3. how can anything be absolute in a hypothetical battle between two characters who dont know each other anyways ? 
4. actually I think Sub Zero is pretty good and dodging and using his Ice... he has in game feats that show this...  "

1. Can you describe it? 2. I mean, does it need a charge, a special movement, anything like that? 3. I see your point.  4. And MC is very accurate and he's got 100 shots here(assuming full ammo), and if 1, just 1 plasma shot hit him, he's doomed.  Game feats? You mean in cutscenes? "

" @King Saturn: 1. That won't very well then. MC can just shatter the ice if it covers his feet. He's strong enough to do so. 2. Okay, so he just kind of does it? He doesn't need to move a certain way or anything like that? 3.Indeed *Puffs pipe* 4. I have no problem with you using game feats, as long as it's cannon(ie, not gameplay which is based off how good the player is). "

" This battle ends in less than 10 seconds with Sub Zero covered in bullets "

" @NickA_94 said:

" This battle ends in less than 10 seconds with Sub Zero covered in bullets "

MC doesn't even a gun that shoots bullets here. :/
@King Saturn: 1. If it covered his torso he could still break it, depending on how thick the ice is(he has  super human strenght after all). Not to mention, this is all assuming the ice hits him.  2. Okay, but how fast are the attacks? Are they faster than bullets?  3. We really don't need a 3 at this point, maybe 4 should be the new 3? 4. Actually we can, what are his cannon dodging feats? Surely he's done something to show off his agility in game. "

" @Decoy Elite said:

" @NickA_94 said:

" This battle ends in less than 10 seconds with Sub Zero covered in bullets "

MC doesn't even a gun that shoots bullets here. :/
@King Saturn: 1. If it covered his torso he could still break it, depending on how thick the ice is(he has  super human strenght after all). Not to mention, this is all assuming the ice hits him.  2. Okay, but how fast are the attacks? Are they faster than bullets?  3. We really don't need a 3 at this point, maybe 4 should be the new 3? 4. Actually we can, what are his cannon dodging feats? Surely he's done something to show off his agility in game. "

1. right... but if his torso is as solid ice... he would shatter his legs...  
2. there is no way to determine this... since MK doesnt have speed indications of there characters...  
4. I thought I said his canon dodging feats were in his skill set ?  "

"Lol, ice shield against a plasma pistol? I think you're got the wrong idea of what weapon I'm saying he's going to fire. I'm saying that he's going to use the gun that fires plasma, not his usual rifle(does he even have that here?)In game, the hammer has 10 shots at the most. "

• H2H fighting skills, I would say both are evenly match. Though I favor Sub's skills more than MC.
• MC might be stronger than Sub.
• Sub might be more agile than MC.

• At long range, MC has the upper hand because of the Hammer, grenades are non factor. I am not sure if Sub can dodge/survive 10 shots from the Hammer, but if he does...
  
• At medium range, the Plasma Pistol will be used, Sub zero can dodge the pistol, MC will dodge sub zero's blast. But what will happen when the pistol over heats? 
• At close range, MC will not stand a chance due to Sub zero's ability to freeze him upon contact.

" @MrRagePants: how is Master Chief on par with Sub Zero in h2h combt? "

" @King Saturn said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" @NickA_94 said:

" This battle ends in less than 10 seconds with Sub Zero covered in bullets "

MC doesn't even a gun that shoots bullets here. :/
@King Saturn: 1. If it covered his torso he could still break it, depending on how thick the ice is(he has  super human strenght after all). Not to mention, this is all assuming the ice hits him.  2. Okay, but how fast are the attacks? Are they faster than bullets?  3. We really don't need a 3 at this point, maybe 4 should be the new 3? 4. Actually we can, what are his cannon dodging feats? Surely he's done something to show off his agility in game. "

1. right... but if his torso is as solid ice... he would shatter his legs...  
2. there is no way to determine this... since MK doesnt have speed indications of there characters...  
4. I thought I said his canon dodging feats were in his skill set ?  "

1. How so? 2. Hurm....... 4. Yeah, but surely he's dodged something in a cutscene at some point right? "

At long range, MC has the upper hand because of the Hammer, grenades are non factor. I am not sure if Sub can dodge/survive 10 shots from the Hammer, but if he does...

• The Hammer is a close range weapon, not a far range weapon. -.- MC has the edge from far range because of his other weapons, which can all one shot Sub Zero.
  

• At medium range, the Plasma Pistol will be used, Sub zero can dodge the pistol, MC will dodge sub zero's blast. But what will happen when the pistol over heats?

• The plasma pistol only overheats if you charge it too long and seeing as MC doesn't need to charge it why should he? Also, what makes you think Sub Zero can dodge the plasma pistol's blasts? What feats does he have there.
  

• At close range, MC will not stand a chance due to Sub zero's ability to freeze him upon contact.

• Hammer to the face = dead Sub Zero. MC literally doesn't have to touch him to kill him.
  

" @NickA_94 said:

" @MrRagePants: how is Master Chief on par with Sub Zero in h2h combt? "

How is he not? Master Chief's knowledge of H2H is military training. Sub Zero's training is assassination. Both kills. "

" @King Saturn: 1. What? Last time I checked covering someone in ice doesn't turn them into ice. And all of this crap is assuming that MC can't dodge it. Which because apparently Sub Zero has no feats, is impossible to tell.  4. Has he dodged bullets? I know he fights cyborgs and people who uses guns so you think he'd have done it at least once.... "

" @King Saturn:1Well I think MC can dodge the ice blasts and even the radius blast attack so..... 4. So I don't see how he's going to dodge a large amount of plasma fire from MC. "

The long range debate I was posting was stupid. Indeed the Hammer is a close range weapon, I don't play current Halo, I only watch my friends. I did play Halo 1 and 2 though. So, I stand corrected.
 
Anyway....

•  Long range battle goes to Master Chief. The Carbine is going to own as its ammo travels at super sonic speed and gains mass as it travels.
• Medium range is a toss up. Both are agile enough to dodge each other, who lands a hit first will determine the winner.
• Close range is in favor of Sub-Zero, for reasons I already stated.

" @King Saturn: 1. What? Last time I checked covering someone in ice doesn't turn them into ice. And all of this crap is assuming that MC can't dodge it. Which because apparently Sub Zero has no feats, is impossible to tell.  4. Has he dodged bullets? I know he fights cyborgs and people who uses guns so you think he'd have done it at least once.... "

• Sub Zero used to be a leader of an assassin clan. Which is very well known though out the netherworlds. It's like saying DD is a leader of the Hand. It's a feat. You don't become a leader for nothing.
• Sub Zero can freeze opponents though his Ice Blast, Ice Clone, Ice Rain

1. If your defense is Master Chief's feats from the book, and you say Sub Zero doesn't have feats because he doesn't have a book/comic. Well, guess what? It's because he doesn't have a BOOK or COMICS! Dur!
   
2. If #1 is true, then how the hell do we rate this fight? We use feats from where both characters have them. VIDEO GAMES!
3. If #1 is NOT true, because Sub Zero has a comic, how come he doesn't have feats? Because his comics are prequel to the games and it usually ends up with "To be continued, to an arcade near you....". DERP!
4. If you say Master Chief has shit loads of feats and Sub Zero has none is an absolute farce. Video game feats, these guys are one of the best. They do things differently and saying one has no feats is idiocity.
   

"Sub Zero should win this... as long as we are talking about current versions... SZ has some pretty cool attacks with Ice now "