Strongest person the Dragonborn can beat?

The Dragonborn has 5 hours of prep, is a Nord. Is set to the maximum weight possible. He has Daedric armor equipped, has access to ALL the perks and has all his skills set to 100. Has access to every single weapon, armor & item in the game. He's set to default Daedric weapons (Sword, Dagger,Bow) and Daedric armor. His armor is enchanted to 100% Magicka & 100% Health regeneration. Has access to all of the spells in the game. AND ACCESS TO ALL OF THE SHOUTS.

Health, Magicka and Stamina are all set to 500.

Who's the strongest person that the Dragonborn can beat? Who would be around his level?

Who is this Dragonborn,you speak of?

@jeanroygrant: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonborn

He's the character you play as in the Elder Scrolls: Skyrim.

He slays dragons for a living.

@rangertech said:

@jeanroygrant: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonborn

He's the character you play as in the Elder Scrolls: Skyrim.

He slays dragons for a living.

oh i would put him above Robin at best or Batman without equipment

Batman with equipment would beat him

I wouldn't put him above Captain America either because of his shield.

@jeanroygrant: I was going to do a Dragonborn vs Batman thread :/

But it's overkill if you think about it.

He can slow down time and use lightning bolt against him.

His lightning bolt is instantaneous.

His armor is extremely resilient.

He has numerous powers. He could always conjure up a Daedra Lord to kill Batman too.

How exactly is Batman going to win?

EDIT: With equipment won't do anything. He can use his "Disarm" shout, he's also faster than Batman as well. He has a "Whirlwind" shout. He also has access to light armor which makes him run faster.

@rangertech said:

@jeanroygrant: I was going to do a Dragonborn vs Batman thread :/

But it's overkill if you think about it.

He can slow down time and use lightning bolt against him.

His lightning bolt is instantaneous.

His armor is extremely resilient.

He has numerous powers. He could always conjure up a Daedra Lord to kill Batman too.

How exactly is Batman going to win?

I never knew he could slow down time or shoot lightnig bolts. How

long can he slow down time for.

@jeanroygrant: Don't know exactly.

When you fully upgrade it, I think it's AT least 30 seconds. I really don't know though.

But with potions it can be extended to over a minute.

So I think fully upgrades is like around 45 seconds? (without potions)

The first time I used it it lasted quite a bit. 15-20 seconds I think.

That's enough time though for him to kill someone. Especially with Instantaneous attacks such as his Lightning Bolt, or Sparks.

EDIT: Plus he has elemental fury & that Dual Dagger +35% speed bonus. His attacks with both bonuses are 135% peak human. That's attacking fast.

@rangertech said:

@jeanroygrant: Don't know exactly.

When you fully upgrade it, I think it's AT least 30 seconds. I really don't know though.

But with potions it can be extended to over a minute.

So I think fully upgrades is like around 45 seconds? (without potions)

The first time I used it it lasted quite a bit. 15-20 seconds I think.

That's enough time though for him to kill someone. Especially with Instantaneous attacks such as his Lightning Bolt, or Sparks.

EDIT: Plus he has elemental fury & that Dual Dagger +35% speed bonus. His attacks with both bonuses are 135% peak human. That's attacking fast.

Oh depends on who he fights

Batman he kills with a lightning bolt

Captain America he beats him with his own shield

I would say he won't be able to beat someone like Thing at the very most even with time stopping powers

Though he won't beat anyone durable like Thing.

@jeanroygrant: He could always freeze The Thing into a statue, call a storm, call a dragon, blow him away with his unrelenting force. Marked For Death would slowly drain the Thing's life force.

How durable is the thing exactly? Dragonborn has some very strong weapons.

EDIT: Not to mention he can summon two of these, and keep resummoningthem.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Frost_Atronach

@rangertech said:

@jeanroygrant: He could always freeze The Thing into a statue, call a storm, call a dragon, blow him away with his unrelenting force. Marked For Death would slowly drain the Thing's life force.

How durable is the thing exactly? Dragonborn has some very strong weapons.

EDIT: Not to mention he can summon two of these, and keep resummoningthem.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Frost_Atronach

Even if he got by Thing...which he probably would,He wouldn't get by Hulk or expecially someone like Loki or Superman or Thor.

this can't be done because the Dragonborn can be setup for almost any situation. I'd put him around Luke's level because I doubt he can lift and move more then 30 tons and the summons can be powerful but say somebody like Cyclops could blow it away. The time stop is the biggest issue to me but put him against another magic being say like Strange and you don't know how it would affect him yet alone a speedster like Quicksilver. You have to give him set abilities according to game standards and then post the question because just picking out powers will just leave people going in circles. Just my opinion.

@rangertech: How durable is thing?:

@GTG12 said:

@rangertech: How durable is thing?:

Thing as in Ben Grimm? Too durable for the Dragonborn to hurt him.

@rangertech said:

@jeanroygrant: Don't know exactly.

When you fully upgrade it, I think it's AT least 30 seconds. I really don't know though.

But with potions it can be extended to over a minute.

So I think fully upgrades is like around 45 seconds? (without potions)

The first time I used it it lasted quite a bit. 15-20 seconds I think.

That's enough time though for him to kill someone. Especially with Instantaneous attacks such as his Lightning Bolt, or Sparks.

EDIT: Plus he has elemental fury & that Dual Dagger +35% speed bonus. His attacks with both bonuses are 135% peak human. That's attacking fast.

What do you mean by 135% peak human? How did you measure this?

I think this comes down to the versatility of the Dragon-born. He's strong enough to carry around hundreds of lbs while hacking apart multiple dragons at once. Plus the shouts give him a ridiculous advantage being able to use just about any magic ability and slow time. I would say the strongest would be anyone without magic(and some aptitude with it) with skin weaker than a dragon's, as it can be cut through effortlessly by the Dragon-born. I think he could take on basic Thor

@Captain_Awesome85 said:

I think this comes down to the versatility of the Dragon-born. He's strong enough to carry around hundreds of lbs while hacking apart multiple dragons at once. Plus the shouts give him a ridiculous advantage being able to use just about any magic ability and slow time. I would say the strongest would be anyone without magic(and some aptitude with it) with skin weaker than a dragon's, as it can be cut through effortlessly by the Dragon-born. I think he could take on basic Thor

Absolutely not. The Dragonborn doesn't even nearly have the hitting power to take on Thor. The durability of Dragons in Skyrim is very low in comparison to other fantasy settings, the stats of weapons alone can be used as a frame of reference to compare worst with best.

An Iron sword has a base damage of 7, Chillrend at level 46+ has a base damage of 15. So even once you take into account upgrading it via smithing, perks boosting damage etc etc you're still looking at something that's really only powerful in its setting but ultimately its not going to pierce his skin, which even Wolverine with his adamantium claws & low levels of superhuman strength can only really graze. Even if the Dragonborn used his slow time shout, it would run out after 30/45 seconds by OP's estimation, he'd failed to hurt Thor in any real way and get one shotted while he's on cool down. Anything he summons Thor will also one shot.

@OneVision_OnePurpose: The number value for the weapons is only to draw comparisons within the game. If we are comparing two different worlds there has to be a norm, so using dragons as the comparison you cant devalue their strength on one side of the comparison. Yes, they are easier to kill in this game vs others but this could also be taken from the opposite view point that the Dragon-born is just that strong. In this game you battle gods and are viewed as a similar figure as Thor in his domain.

The strongest would be Goku, he would just be below Superman.

@Captain_Awesome85: Anybody with a weapon can fight dragons in Skyrim. I don't think you even need to get involved when the dragon attacks the tower towards the start of the main quest series. Irileth & her guards can take it down, throw in a follower for good measure. None of them with impressive equipment or anything akin to enhanced attributes. How many mods are there to make Alduin a tougher fight because of what an easy fight he is?

Regardless of how the Dragonborn is viewed in his setting, he's not a challenge to Thor. This is the same Thor that's lifted millions of tons, survives the heat of the sun (without any problems in fact), can absorb all of the Dragonborn's magic and shoot it back with ten times the force and more.

Are we including the various in game exploits? There are some esoteric ways you can make a ridiculously OP Dohvakin

@OneVision_OnePurpose said:

@Captain_Awesome85: Anybody with a weapon can fight dragons in Skyrim. I don't think you even need to get involved when the dragon attacks the tower towards the start of the main quest series. Irileth & her guards can take it down, throw in a follower for good measure. None of them with impressive equipment or anything akin to enhanced attributes. How many mods are there to make Alduin a tougher fight because of what an easy fight he is?

Regardless of how the Dragonborn is viewed in his setting, he's not a challenge to Thor. This is the same Thor that's lifted millions of tons, survives the heat of the sun (without any problems in fact), can absorb all of the Dragonborn's magic and shoot it back with ten times the force and more.

Sorry to tell you this, But a maxed out DragonBorn Could infact take out thor. Lets view this the right way, Dovahkhiin is friends with all deadric gods and is on a good side with the 10 Devines, He has all the power he needs to take out thor. Just show me one solid way that thor would be able to kill him and i will attempt to counter it.

A better fight would be Hero of oblivion( Sheogorath ) vs Thor

@hudyman: Agreed

@hudyman said:

@OneVision_OnePurpose said:

@Captain_Awesome85: Anybody with a weapon can fight dragons in Skyrim. I don't think you even need to get involved when the dragon attacks the tower towards the start of the main quest series. Irileth & her guards can take it down, throw in a follower for good measure. None of them with impressive equipment or anything akin to enhanced attributes. How many mods are there to make Alduin a tougher fight because of what an easy fight he is?

Regardless of how the Dragonborn is viewed in his setting, he's not a challenge to Thor. This is the same Thor that's lifted millions of tons, survives the heat of the sun (without any problems in fact), can absorb all of the Dragonborn's magic and shoot it back with ten times the force and more.

Sorry to tell you this, But a maxed out DragonBorn Could infact take out thor. Lets view this the right way, Dovahkhiin is friends with all deadric gods and is on a good side with the 10 Devines, He has all the power he needs to take out thor. Just show me one solid way that thor would be able to kill him and i will attempt to counter it.

A better fight would be Hero of oblivion( Sheogorath ) vs Thor

Thor's capabilities are very well established on comicvine, but I'll play ball.

Chains made to resist the might ten giants break like straw for Thor.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength32Annual12.jpg

Tips over a tower with one finger

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength07.jpg

Closes a million ton chasm.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength39WestCoastAvengers55.jpg

A punch that would shatter diamonds just makes Thor blink.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability36401Blunt.jpg

Ghostrider's Hellfire does nothing to Thor

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability21-MagicalAvengers214.jpg

Thor stands in the center of the sun without harm.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability29-HeatAnnual14.jpg

Hela finds Thor's speed to be "beyond comprehension"

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSpeed03354.jpg

Nabs a speester

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed21475.jpg

Catches Hermes, twice.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed16Avengers281.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed24.jpg

In a few micro-seconds he punches Enchanter and spins around to catch Mjolnir.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed08144.jpg

Spins his hammer around to make a shield to block a blast from Odin.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir101-Field291.jpg

Uses his hammer to make an area that sucks up all magic

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir163-MagicNegation429.jpg

An example of his energy absorbtion

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir189-EnergyAbsorptionv244.jpg

Energy blast that stops Juggernaut and sends him backwards.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir153a-Godblast412.jpg

Swings his hammer and rocks the planet

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir138-StrikingPower388.jpg

So from my point Thor kills the Dragonborn by negating all of his magic and then battering him to death at his leisure. If he wants to negate his magic, it won't do anything to Thor.

Not counting game mechanics, and speaking purely of the lore... The Dragonborn is a planet buster, both in strength and durability. Alduin is a mid tier planet, and can destroy lower tier planets easily. That's sort of his job. He goes around eating gods. Dragonborn > Alduin. Even without Dragonrend, he was still able to hold his own against Alduin, despite his god strength.

I wonder how many people that have actually played the game have no godly idea what I'm talking about? Here's a hint, in game lore books like the Annotated Anuad are your friends. Also, the lore is on drugs.

@hudyman The Champion of Cyrodiil would curbstomp Thor. We're talking about a guy that made the strongest living god of Elder Scrolls his bitch. Jyggalag is the highest tier of god, only being surpassed by Anu, Sithis, Nirn, Magnus and pre betrayal Akatosh. And none of them exist anymore. He's so powerful all the remaining greater gods are downright terrified of him. And many of them have shown effortless planet busting and high tier reality warping. Akatosh creating time because he thought it would be nifty is a good example. Even post betrayal Akatosh, an ant to Jyggalag, was able to merge 6 different realities with a thought. The Champion of Cyrodiil curbstomps Jyggalag, in a total "Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?" moment. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu

@Laurcus said:

Not counting game mechanics, and speaking purely of the lore... The Dragonborn is a planet buster, both in strength and durability. Alduin is a mid tier planet, and can destroy lower tier planets easily. That's sort of his job. He goes around eating gods. Dragonborn > Alduin. Even without Dragonrend, he was still able to hold his own against Alduin, despite his god strength.

I wonder how many people that have actually played the game have no godly idea what I'm talking about? Here's a hint, in game lore books like the Annotated Anuad are your friends. Also, the lore is on drugs.

Do you have a specific event proving this? Because lore-hype doesn't exactly count.

@OneVision_OnePurpose said:

@Laurcus said:

Not counting game mechanics, and speaking purely of the lore... The Dragonborn is a planet buster, both in strength and durability. Alduin is a mid tier planet, and can destroy lower tier planets easily. That's sort of his job. He goes around eating gods. Dragonborn > Alduin. Even without Dragonrend, he was still able to hold his own against Alduin, despite his god strength.

I wonder how many people that have actually played the game have no godly idea what I'm talking about? Here's a hint, in game lore books like the Annotated Anuad are your friends. Also, the lore is on drugs.

Do you have a specific event proving this? Because lore-hype doesn't exactly count.

He hurt Alduin in their battle on the Throat of the World. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but in Elder Scrolls, the term god and planet are literally interchangeable. All planets are gods and all gods are planets. They can change their shape at will, but doing so reduces none of their powers. Hurting Alduin is the same as damaging a planet. And he's a mid-high tier god. Countless low tier planets were destroyed in the Dawn Era by Lorkhan and the other 8 Divines to create Mundus, the physical plane. Alduin is the son of Akatosh, the leader of the divines. Alduin also destroyed many low tier gods, (planets) sometime between the Merethic Era and the First Era. That was how he earned his title the Eater of Worlds. He tanked Alduin's attacks, Alduin has busted planets many times.

@Laurcus said:

@OneVision_OnePurpose said:

@Laurcus said:

Not counting game mechanics, and speaking purely of the lore... The Dragonborn is a planet buster, both in strength and durability. Alduin is a mid tier planet, and can destroy lower tier planets easily. That's sort of his job. He goes around eating gods. Dragonborn > Alduin. Even without Dragonrend, he was still able to hold his own against Alduin, despite his god strength.

I wonder how many people that have actually played the game have no godly idea what I'm talking about? Here's a hint, in game lore books like the Annotated Anuad are your friends. Also, the lore is on drugs.

Do you have a specific event proving this? Because lore-hype doesn't exactly count.

He hurt Alduin in their battle on the Throat of the World. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but in Elder Scrolls, the term god and planet are literally interchangeable. All planets are gods and all gods are planets. They can change their shape at will, but doing so reduces none of their powers. Hurting Alduin is the same as damaging a planet. And he's a mid-high tier god. Countless low tier planets were destroyed in the Dawn Era by Lorkhan and the other 8 Divines to create Mundus, the physical plane. Alduin is the son of Akatosh, the leader of the divines. Alduin also destroyed many low tier gods, (planets) sometime between the Merethic Era and the First Era. That was how he earned his title the Eater of Worlds. He tanked Alduin's attacks, Alduin has busted planets many times.

No, planets & planes are interchangeable. What the people of Nirn see when they look at the sky are the planes. Alduin isn't a literal planet. Even then that's only the eight divines and the eight divines reside on their planes. They aren't the literal plane. Hurting Aduin is not comparable to damaging a planet.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Aedra#Aedra_and_the_Solar_System

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Nine_Divines

The Thing, (note most powerful) the Dovakhin's enchanted weapons can by pass his durability.

@hudyman:Hero Of Kvatch stomps current Thor if he/she's end game and at full potential.

Dragonborn Could beat wonder woman easily

@Alice_Summers said:

@hudyman:Hero Of Kvatch stomps current Thor if he/she's end game and at full potential.

The most impressive feat Sheogorath has is throwing the planet at you if you piss him off (he doesn't teleport you above Nirn, he throws Nirn *at* you), unfortunately Thor's a planet buster.

@Lord_Johnathan: 100% Chameleon and massive AOE spells would be near impossible for Thor to counter.

besides Thor has been hurt by less.

@Alice_Summers said:

@Lord_Johnathan: 100% Chameleon and massive AOE spells would be near impossible for Thor to counter.

besides Thor has been hurt by less.

100% Chameleon isnt possible in Skyrim. Skyrim's AOE spells would do nothing to Thor.

If we go by gameplay, the dragonborn is realtively low tier. If we go by lore of the Thuum (dragonshouts), he is capable of destroying cities with a single shout.

@OneVision_OnePurpose: Hero of Oblivion literally stomps Thor. God help thor if the battle is in Sheogoraths realm.

Plus if i am controlling Him Things would go a little bit smoother * Cough*.

@OneVision_OnePurpose said:

@hudyman said:

@OneVision_OnePurpose said:

@Captain_Awesome85: Anybody with a weapon can fight dragons in Skyrim. I don't think you even need to get involved when the dragon attacks the tower towards the start of the main quest series. Irileth & her guards can take it down, throw in a follower for good measure. None of them with impressive equipment or anything akin to enhanced attributes. How many mods are there to make Alduin a tougher fight because of what an easy fight he is?

Regardless of how the Dragonborn is viewed in his setting, he's not a challenge to Thor. This is the same Thor that's lifted millions of tons, survives the heat of the sun (without any problems in fact), can absorb all of the Dragonborn's magic and shoot it back with ten times the force and more.

Sorry to tell you this, But a maxed out DragonBorn Could infact take out thor. Lets view this the right way, Dovahkhiin is friends with all deadric gods and is on a good side with the 10 Devines, He has all the power he needs to take out thor. Just show me one solid way that thor would be able to kill him and i will attempt to counter it.

A better fight would be Hero of oblivion( Sheogorath ) vs Thor

Thor's capabilities are very well established on comicvine, but I'll play ball.

Chains made to resist the might ten giants break like straw for Thor.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength32Annual12.jpg

Tips over a tower with one finger

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength07.jpg

Closes a million ton chasm.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength39WestCoastAvengers55.jpg

A punch that would shatter diamonds just makes Thor blink.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability36401Blunt.jpg

Ghostrider's Hellfire does nothing to Thor

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability21-MagicalAvengers214.jpg

Thor stands in the center of the sun without harm.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability29-HeatAnnual14.jpg

Hela finds Thor's speed to be "beyond comprehension"

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSpeed03354.jpg

Nabs a speester

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed21475.jpg

Catches Hermes, twice.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed16Avengers281.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed24.jpg

In a few micro-seconds he punches Enchanter and spins around to catch Mjolnir.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed08144.jpg

Spins his hammer around to make a shield to block a blast from Odin.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir101-Field291.jpg

Uses his hammer to make an area that sucks up all magic

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir163-MagicNegation429.jpg

An example of his energy absorbtion

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir189-EnergyAbsorptionv244.jpg

Energy blast that stops Juggernaut and sends him backwards.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir153a-Godblast412.jpg

Swings his hammer and rocks the planet

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir138-StrikingPower388.jpg

So from my point Thor kills the Dragonborn by negating all of his magic and then battering him to death at his leisure. If he wants to negate his magic, it won't do anything to Thor.

All destroyed when Dovahkhiin decides to go ethereal.

@DoorstepDude said:

@Alice_Summers said:

@Lord_Johnathan: 100% Chameleon and massive AOE spells would be near impossible for Thor to counter.

besides Thor has been hurt by less.

100% Chameleon isnt possible in Skyrim. Skyrim's AOE spells would do nothing to Thor.

If we go by gameplay, the dragonborn is realtively low tier. If we go by lore of the Thuum (dragonshouts), he is capable of destroying cities with a single shout.

I'm talking about the hero of kvatch, I'd like to see Thor find him before he gets energy blasted into oblivion (pun intended)

@hudyman: Come back when you have some evidence that anything the Dragonborn does will harm Thor.

Not an opinion, not "lore says this." an actual visible fact that he can harm Thor.

@OneVision_OnePurpose: That can be said about thor aswell, Show me rock solid evidence that thor can harm Dovahkhiin who has been to the dead and came back. Not Comics say this

@hudyman said:

@OneVision_OnePurpose: That can be said about thor aswell, Show me rock solid evidence that thor can harm Dovahkhiin who has been to the dead and came back. Not Comics say this

I've posted scans of Thor showing superior physical attributes to anything that appears in Skyrim. You've provided literally nothing but your opinion. If you want to refute my claims, provide some concrete evidence.

@OneVision_OnePurpose: The thing is, There is no actual "Scan" Or "Evidence" on the net that shows you the Dragonborn using all his powers. In order to do that you would need to play skyrim. Hence the reason why your argument is invalid. You know more about thor but slim information about the Dragonborn.

@hudyman: I've got Skyrim, picked it up the day it came out like lots of other people, clocked 150 hours. My reason isn't invalid, I've provided evidence of Thor pushing a tower with one finger. Can the giants in Skyrim do that? Because I've seen those Giants batter dragons to death. If you can't provide evidence its your problem.

I've got evidence that Thor can absorb energy & negate magic, he can take huge damage without injury and can hit back even harder. You've provided nothing but your opinion to refute my evidence and you say you're lack of evidence makes my argument invalid? Try again. Get evidence or just bow quietly out with some dignity, but don't pretend my argument is made invalid because you've got nothing.

@OneVision_OnePurpose: I literally cannot be bothered With this argument I'm multitasking like i always do. All i am saying is a maxed out dragonborn who is allies with the gods could own thor any other db doesnt cut it.

@hudyman: Sure thing buddy, keep telling yourself that.

@OneVision_OnePurpose:lol!!! Trust me sir, i will...

Ill take a wild guess and say that you think The hero of oblivion loses to thor right?

@hudyman: I actually think it would be more interesting the further back you go. One thing I don't like about the Elder Scrolls games is that they keep cutting down, remember Morrowind? You got to high levels in that game and you could be jumping all around Ordinators (literally, acrobatics was amazing at high levels) despite wearing amazingly enchanted High Ordinator armour or whatever you wanted. There was a thread a while back about the heroes from Morrowind, Oblivion & Skyrim but it never really took off.

My point however, is that saying "This guy wins" is completely pointless if you aren't going to provide evidence, especially for a character like Thor whom has very high feats that are very often posted here on the vine while the Dragonborn/Hero of Kvatch/Nerevar don't really ever come up and are rather unproven.

@OneVision_OnePurpose: Great point. I think they made the hero of oblivion sheogorath plainly because the others were too powerful compared to him. But for me personally i think he has the most interesting Storyline.

@hudyman: For me it was Nerevar, but I'd take that with a pinch of the nostalgia salt, but I did enjoy the greater variety of what you could do in the game. Even the little things like more armour slots.

Depends on the Dragonborn.

For example a 100 One-Handed, Sneak Bonus, X30 Dagger Damage, +Daedric Dagger Damage(With 100 Smithing), +Magic 100 Enchantment, + 100 Armor Attack Bonus Enchantments, + Proper Perks + Time Stopping Shout.

This is literally the max damage you can do to anyone in Skyrim, it can 1 shot Ancient Dragons on Expert Difficulty easily.

@OneVision_OnePurpose: Yeah fair enough. I just didnt feel all that comfortable with nerevar though. The ideas were all over the place

Some people think the Dragonborn couldn't even defeat Master Chief! How can he even damage Thor or let alone Ben Grimm without using Ghostblade to ignore their defenses?

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/dovahkiin-vs-master-chief/728607/

Are we including in-game skills/mechanics?