Random battle
They do not know each other's strength levels, powers, skills.
Morals are on
They fight inside a hotel room and terrain can be used and destroyed.
Random battle
They do not know each other's strength levels, powers, skills.
Morals are on
They fight inside a hotel room and terrain can be used and destroyed.
If Batsy has some of his explosives or something like that, he could take him, but it would be very difficult. Strong guy is really strong (that's new), but the real problem is his durability. I'll give 7/10 to him.
Bat's with or w/out prep. Remember batman is a very versatile fighter, and he can study his opponents weakness while in a match, remember when he fought the Talon, where he is totally unprepared and survive the assasination.
His strength is meaningless seeing as I don't know how he's tagging Batman without any king of h2h skill. Furthermore, pressure points and knock-out pellets go a long way when dealing with enhanced durability.
@Void_Paladin said:
His strength is meaningless seeing as I don't know how he's tagging Batman without any king of h2h skill. Furthermore, pressure points and knock-out pellets go a long way when dealing with enhanced durability.
He is skilled enough to hit him and he only needs one hit really, even a glancing hit would put Bats down. I never seen Batman start with gas pellets and pressure points with Bat's level strength would probably just tickle Guido. Than that would put Batman in range to get swatted.
Batman is a versatile fighter with a good amount of speed and strength coupled with his H2H fighting skills and technique as well as his smarts and ability to exploit weaknesses should get him this IMO.
@Edgeworth_11 said:
@Void_Paladin said:
His strength is meaningless seeing as I don't know how he's tagging Batman without any king of h2h skill. Furthermore, pressure points and knock-out pellets go a long way when dealing with enhanced durability.
He is skilled enough to hit him and he only needs one hit really, even a glancing hit would put Bats down. I never seen Batman start with gas pellets and pressure points with Bat's level strength would probably just tickle Guido. Than that would put Batman in range to get swatted.
Since when is Strong guy fast or skilled enough to tag Batman one on one. They start in a hotel room, meaning as soon as he misses Bruce once...a wall or dresser is getting destroyed. Batman, after hitting him one time will notice his meta-human durability. From there knock-out pellets or pressure points would be the obvious solution, even if you're not the worlds greatest detective.
@Void_Paladin said:
@Edgeworth_11 said:
@Void_Paladin said:
His strength is meaningless seeing as I don't know how he's tagging Batman without any king of h2h skill. Furthermore, pressure points and knock-out pellets go a long way when dealing with enhanced durability.
He is skilled enough to hit him and he only needs one hit really, even a glancing hit would put Bats down. I never seen Batman start with gas pellets and pressure points with Bat's level strength would probably just tickle Guido. Than that would put Batman in range to get swatted.
Since when is Strong guy fast or skilled enough to tag Batman one on one. They start in a hotel room, meaning as soon as he misses Bruce once...a wall or dresser is getting destroyed. Batman, after hitting him one time will notice his meta-human durability. From there knock-out pellets or pressure points would be the obvious solution, even if you're not the worlds greatest detective.
Guido is pretty intelligent. Batman would be flat on the floor by the time he figures out Guido's powers.
@Edgeworth_11 said:
@Void_Paladin said:
@Edgeworth_11 said:
@Void_Paladin said:
His strength is meaningless seeing as I don't know how he's tagging Batman without any king of h2h skill. Furthermore, pressure points and knock-out pellets go a long way when dealing with enhanced durability.
He is skilled enough to hit him and he only needs one hit really, even a glancing hit would put Bats down. I never seen Batman start with gas pellets and pressure points with Bat's level strength would probably just tickle Guido. Than that would put Batman in range to get swatted.
Since when is Strong guy fast or skilled enough to tag Batman one on one. They start in a hotel room, meaning as soon as he misses Bruce once...a wall or dresser is getting destroyed. Batman, after hitting him one time will notice his meta-human durability. From there knock-out pellets or pressure points would be the obvious solution, even if you're not the worlds greatest detective.
Guido is pretty intelligent. Batman would be flat on the floor by the time he figures out Guido's powers.
Being pretty intelligent isn't enough to stop the worlds greatest detective from detecting that the guy who punched a hole in the wall is very strong. Bruce should also have an easy time figuring out his durability via punching him.
Could the same be said about figuring out how Guido's powers work while attacking him? It would be as easy for Guido to find out that Batman is a normal human (at peak human level), considering Batman evading his strikes and using gadgets.@Edgeworth_11 said:
@Void_Paladin said:
@Edgeworth_11 said:
@Void_Paladin said:
His strength is meaningless seeing as I don't know how he's tagging Batman without any king of h2h skill. Furthermore, pressure points and knock-out pellets go a long way when dealing with enhanced durability.
He is skilled enough to hit him and he only needs one hit really, even a glancing hit would put Bats down. I never seen Batman start with gas pellets and pressure points with Bat's level strength would probably just tickle Guido. Than that would put Batman in range to get swatted.
Since when is Strong guy fast or skilled enough to tag Batman one on one. They start in a hotel room, meaning as soon as he misses Bruce once...a wall or dresser is getting destroyed. Batman, after hitting him one time will notice his meta-human durability. From there knock-out pellets or pressure points would be the obvious solution, even if you're not the worlds greatest detective.
Guido is pretty intelligent. Batman would be flat on the floor by the time he figures out Guido's powers.
Being pretty intelligent isn't enough to stop the worlds greatest detective from detecting that the guy who punched a hole in the wall is very strong. Bruce should also have an easy time figuring out his durability via punching him.
@The_Mayhem_Theory said:
@Void_Paladin said:Could the same be said about figuring out how Guido's powers work while attacking him? It would be as easy for Guido to find out that Batman is a normal human (at peak human level), considering Batman evading his strikes and using gadgets.@Edgeworth_11 said:
@Void_Paladin said:
@Edgeworth_11 said:
@Void_Paladin said:
His strength is meaningless seeing as I don't know how he's tagging Batman without any king of h2h skill. Furthermore, pressure points and knock-out pellets go a long way when dealing with enhanced durability.
He is skilled enough to hit him and he only needs one hit really, even a glancing hit would put Bats down. I never seen Batman start with gas pellets and pressure points with Bat's level strength would probably just tickle Guido. Than that would put Batman in range to get swatted.
Since when is Strong guy fast or skilled enough to tag Batman one on one. They start in a hotel room, meaning as soon as he misses Bruce once...a wall or dresser is getting destroyed. Batman, after hitting him one time will notice his meta-human durability. From there knock-out pellets or pressure points would be the obvious solution, even if you're not the worlds greatest detective.
Guido is pretty intelligent. Batman would be flat on the floor by the time he figures out Guido's powers.
Being pretty intelligent isn't enough to stop the worlds greatest detective from detecting that the guy who punched a hole in the wall is very strong. Bruce should also have an easy time figuring out his durability via punching him.
True, but I don't think that knowledge will help him unless he has a defense for Bruce's gadgets. I do agree that if he could get a hit in, Batman would be done for. Still, I think Bruce's h2h skills, speed, and experience dealing with meta-humans should get him a win here.
Strong Guy's defense against Batman's hand-to-hand skills (utilizing weapons included) would be his absorption of kinetic energy, increasing his strength (as well as durability). The stronger and more durable he becomes, the more he's able to endure. With that in mind, it may be difficult for Batman to use any pressure points, especially since Guido's body grows as he absorbs, making him deformed; possibly in turn closing any crevices to those pressure points. Experience with meta-humans isn't an advantage.True, but I don't think that knowledge will help him unless he has a defense for Bruce's gadgets. I do agree that if he could get a hit in, Batman would be done for. Still, I think Bruce's h2h skills, speed, and experience dealing with meta-humans should get him a win here.
@The_Mayhem_Theory said:
@Void_Paladin said:Strong Guy's defense against Batman's hand-to-hand skills (utilizing weapons included) would be his absorption of kinetic energy, increasing his strength (as well as durability). The stronger and more durable he becomes, the more he's able to endure. With that in mind, it may be difficult for Batman to use any pressure points, especially since Guido's body grows as he absorbs, making him deformed; possibly in turn closing any crevices to those pressure points. Experience with meta-humans isn't an advantage.True, but I don't think that knowledge will help him unless he has a defense for Bruce's gadgets. I do agree that if he could get a hit in, Batman would be done for. Still, I think Bruce's h2h skills, speed, and experience dealing with meta-humans should get him a win here.
Hmm, good point. Perhaps pressure points won't work here.
Actually, experience against meta-humans is an advantage. It allows him to, swallow fear, think of possible solutions faster than others who have never encountered similar opponents, and continue with the fight as normal instead of loosing a step or getting momentarily stunned due to surprise. Experience is why Bruce still does better against meta-humans than Cassandra, despite her being his physical superior, having the ability to body-read, and having top-tier h2h skills.
Strong guy still has no defense for knock-out pellets and I'm not sure how well he can handle electricity.
Strong guy Should win@The_Mayhem_Theory said:
@Void_Paladin said:Strong Guy's defense against Batman's hand-to-hand skills (utilizing weapons included) would be his absorption of kinetic energy, increasing his strength (as well as durability). The stronger and more durable he becomes, the more he's able to endure. With that in mind, it may be difficult for Batman to use any pressure points, especially since Guido's body grows as he absorbs, making him deformed; possibly in turn closing any crevices to those pressure points. Experience with meta-humans isn't an advantage.True, but I don't think that knowledge will help him unless he has a defense for Bruce's gadgets. I do agree that if he could get a hit in, Batman would be done for. Still, I think Bruce's h2h skills, speed, and experience dealing with meta-humans should get him a win here.
Hmm, good point. Perhaps pressure points won't work here.
Actually, experience against meta-humans is an advantage. It allows him to, swallow fear, think of possible solutions faster than others who have never encountered similar opponents, and continue with the fight as normal instead of loosing a step or getting momentarily stunned due to surprise. Experience is why Bruce still does better against meta-humans than Cassandra, despite her being his physical superior, having the ability to body-read, and having top-tier h2h skills.
Strong guy still has no defense for knock-out pellets and I'm not sure how well he can handle electricity.
Experience differs with each meta-human Batman faces, but that's not to say that he'd know exactly what he's fighting and how to deter them. The concept of pressure points is removed since Guido's basic defense is growth in size and shape, strength and durability during and/or after absorption. I've never witnessed Guido being knocked unconscious by gas or weaker foes or even be struck by electricity, so I'm open to anything. I also believe that he has trained with M (Monet), who is superior to him in just about every aspect. I can't visualize any conclusions to Batman winning against Guido.Hmm, good point. Perhaps pressure points won't work here.
Actually, experience against meta-humans is an advantage. It allows him to, swallow fear, think of possible solutions faster than others who have never encountered similar opponents, and continue with the fight as normal instead of loosing a step or getting momentarily stunned due to surprise. Experience is why Bruce still does better against meta-humans than Cassandra, despite her being his physical superior, having the ability to body-read, and having top-tier h2h skills.
Strong guy still has no defense for knock-out pellets and I'm not sure how well he can handle electricity.
There is no way batman beating him unless he can Pull his utility belt out quick enough to pull off some gas or freeze
@The_Mayhem_Theory: @thanobomb1124:
Strong guy still needs to breath. There's nothing in his power set that says he should be immune to knock out gas. Batman's faster and much, much more skilled. I don't see Strong guy hitting him with even one punch before he falls to one of Bruce's gadgets.
No doubt he isn't immune, but his enhanced physiology could be a factor to how potent the gas would be. Batman being faster and more skilled is partial to Strong Guy's attacks, as Batman has been hit by Grundy several times despite Grundy being slower and less skilled. Is there a way you can assess the gadgets (specifically the gas and electricity) on characters of similar power-sets to Guido (while keeping in mind how Guido's powers work) used by Batman?@The_Mayhem_Theory: @thanobomb1124:
Strong guy still needs to breath. There's nothing in his power set that says he should be immune to knock out gas. Batman's faster and much, much more skilled. I don't see Strong guy hitting him with even one punch before he falls to one of Bruce's gadgets.
@The_Mayhem_Theory:
Batman being hit by Grundy and not dying is beyond me. Still, if we accept this as legit, than it only goes to show that Bruce can take several hits from strong guy, Grundy being much stronger than him. The zombie can go toe to toe with Superman on a good day, but can't one-shot Bruce...sigh.
As for Batman's gadgets working on someone with a similar power set...I might be able to dig up some times he used knock-out gas/electricity/sonic attacks vs opponents like Blockbuster who have enhanced strength/durability. Still, I can't remember him ever dealing with anyone who absorbed kinetic energy. There was a guy who absorbed kinetic energy in Gotham for a while, but he was running under Catwoman. I don't think him and Bruce ever fought.
I believe gas/electricity/sonic attacks should work, but as for proving it beyond a reasonable doubt...that may be difficult. I'll return if I'm able to dig something up.
I won't refute Batman being capable of taking shots from Strong Guy, the punishment alone is enough to put him down. Lol. As always, the Grundy-Superman-Batman fiasco is commonly referred to as Plot Induced Stupidity. I'm unsure whether absorption of kinetic energy is a consistent thing for DC as it is for Marvel. I can try and find some scans of Guido fending off gas, electricity and sonics, but I can't guarantee I'd confirm them.@The_Mayhem_Theory:
Batman being hit by Grundy and not dying is beyond me. Still, if we accept this as legit, than it only goes to show that Bruce can take several hits from strong guy, Grundy being much stronger than him. The zombie can go toe to toe with Superman on a good day, but can't one-shot Bruce...sigh.
As for Batman's gadgets working on someone with a similar power set...I might be able to dig up some times he used knock-out gas/electricity/sonic attacks vs opponents like Blockbuster who have enhanced strength/durability. Still, I can't remember him ever dealing with anyone who absorbed kinetic energy. There was a guy who absorbed kinetic energy in Gotham for a while, but he was running under Catwoman. I don't think him and Bruce ever fought.
I believe gas/electricity/sonic attacks should work, but as for proving it beyond a reasonable doubt...that may be difficult. I'll return if I'm able to dig something up.
@The_Mayhem_Theory: Are we agreed than, that if electricity/sonics/gas will work than it's a win for Batman. While, if they do not, then it's a win for Strong guy?
I can't say. Both can be debated further even if confirmed to work or not.@The_Mayhem_Theory: Are we agreed than, that if electricity/sonics/gas will work than it's a win for Batman. While, if they do not, then it's a win for Strong guy?
@The_Mayhem_Theory: I suppose your right. Even if those particular gadgets didn't work, I could probably think of at least another couple of reasons to back Batman in this. I suppose the same is true on your side for Strong man.
@The_Mayhem_Theory said:
Assuming that Batman uses gadgets against Strong Guy, the objects making contact with Guido's body would have their kinetic energy absorbed and thus make him stronger. Batman's hand-to-hand skills might not hold up as the kinetic energy produced by his attacks would also be absorbed.
This big time .
@The_Mayhem_Theory said:
@Void_Paladin said:I can't say. Both can be debated further even if confirmed to work or not.@The_Mayhem_Theory: Are we agreed than, that if electricity/sonics/gas will work than it's a win for Batman. While, if they do not, then it's a win for Strong guy?
SG hits the ground. Batman looses his footing. SG backhands him FTW!
@Bright_Blade said:
@The_Mayhem_Theory said:
@Void_Paladin said:I can't say. Both can be debated further even if confirmed to work or not.@The_Mayhem_Theory: Are we agreed than, that if electricity/sonics/gas will work than it's a win for Batman. While, if they do not, then it's a win for Strong guy?
SG hits the ground. Batman looses his footing. SG backhands him FTW!
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