#1 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6244 posts) - - Show Bio

OK.

Street level characters only (No, neither Midnighter nor Karate Kid are street level. Sorry.)

This is an open debate topic. The goal is to realistically decide which DC and / or Marvel street level characters can defeat Wolverine in a random encounter. That's right. No prep (sorry Bat fans). Please state your reasons.

Morals on for all characters.

Each character, including Wolverine, are fighting to the best of their known ability (use greater consistency when citing feats).

Fight starts 30 feet apart (to give a fighting chance to those gun toting hard cases).

Fight takes place here;

So, which street level bada$$ can take down ...

#2 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade and Danny could win.

#3 Posted by Wboy (442 posts) - - Show Bio

Canary or Deathstroke.

#4 Posted by icysloth (1305 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke, hes just better

Blade could win with blood without it, I see it being pretty hard for him to win, but has him beet on the strength adfavantage and has taken out Dracula who is more impressive than wolverine

Conan took him out before he became a Darkhorse character

Blue Beetle

Mr. Terrific - has shown his spheres have enough concusive force to knock back captain marvel

#5 Edited by PythonVsWalker (68 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil... with ease.

#6 Posted by Dextersinister (5989 posts) - - Show Bio

Your going to need to place limits on what you mean by street, some people on this forum think that it's anyone below Superman.

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#7 Posted by jashro44 (20801 posts) - - Show Bio

So far I think iron fist is the only one who takes it of those listed and he might not be street level. Do mr. Terrific and blue beetle count as street level? I'm not sure what tier terrific is on but blue beetle for sure isn't if I'm even generally accurate on his power level... Do guys like gorgon, Spider-Man and iron fist count as street level? May as well ask now because people will probably list them.

#8 Posted by minigunman123 (3116 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke.

#9 Posted by MFrenzy11 (467 posts) - - Show Bio

gorgon would kick his @$$

#10 Posted by icysloth (1305 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: It has been established more than once Beetle is street level in his Kord incarnation.

#11 Posted by jashro44 (20801 posts) - - Show Bio

@icysloth: I don't know a lot about ted cord so I would have to take your word for it.

#12 Posted by eatmore_payless (2210 posts) - - Show Bio

Im surprised no one says Batman yet

#13 Posted by Flopsop200 (168 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther

#14 Edited by Strider92 (16276 posts) - - Show Bio

Define the parameters of street level. For example do Gorgon, Spider-man, Venom etc... count as street level?

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#15 Posted by The Man of Tomorrow (403 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America

#16 Posted by jashro44 (20801 posts) - - Show Bio

@PythonVsWalker said:

Daredevil... with ease.

No. Wolverine is arguably more skilled and his over all physicals are better. Daredevil wont win.

@The Man of Tomorrow said:

Captain America

Wolverine for the most part has gotten the better of cap in there past encounters.

@eatmore_payless said:

Im surprised no one says Batman yet

Because without prep he would lose.

#17 Posted by Chaos Prime (10842 posts) - - Show Bio

Imo Black Panther but too be honest there arnt that many..

#18 Posted by Z3RO180 (6458 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: superman is not street level

#19 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio

Logan is probably one of the toughest fighters, street levelers in his universe, i doubt you could find many people that could beat him with the abilities and stats he has. I don't believe Slade could beat him either as most here state he can.

Though i could see people like cap beating him but not for the majority of course. Logan is just better, but cap is good enough with his shield to cause damage that is needed to at least consider him as a fighter that could take on and beat Logan even for the minority.

Does iron fist count as a street leveler, if yes, then i see a good h2h fight and a good win with his chi abilities.

Also, an all out spidey could do it as well. Current spidey even more so.

That's some people on the top of my head that could beat Logan.

:)

#20 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6244 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist and Spider-Man will serve as upper level limits of street level for the sake of debate.

#21 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Shaking my head at some of these answers. 
 
I'd say Constantine Drakon would give Wolverine a good fight, maybe beat him 4/10?

#22 Edited by Strider92 (16276 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-man, Scarlet Spider, Iron Fist, Venom(Brock), Venom(Flash), Daken, Spider-woman (Charlotte Witter), Gorgon.

All have a high chance of taking a majority (Brock definitely). Fighting to the best of her ability I think Spider-woman (Jessica Drew) might just sneak win or two due to pheromones. I can think of other people who could give Logan a fight but none that could actually beat him.

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#23 Edited by YoungJustice (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Canary.

A sonic scream doesn't fair well with enhanced hearing.........

#24 Posted by MisterWhisper (1891 posts) - - Show Bio

The beginning of my list:

Kitty Pryde

Siryn

Black Canary

Banshee

Shinobi Shaw

Really Anyone with phasing ability or sonic ability

Cloak

I will list more later.

#25 Posted by Nefarious (19725 posts) - - Show Bio

Prometheus, Kaine, Mister X, The Gorgon.

#26 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6244 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

Prometheus, Kaine, Mister X, The Gorgon.

I would be willing to debate Kaine, Prometheus and Mister X ... The Gorgon has impressed his point on Logan enough though. And this despite his less than stellar showing in the pages of New Avengers.

#27 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6244 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Black Canary.

A sonic scream doesn't fair well with enhanced hearing.........

He's taken Hulk's thunderclaps just fine though. And with the healing factor, it's more a question of pain threshold than it is anything else. I can't think of anyone who has a higher tolerance for pain than Wolverine ...

#28 Posted by YoungJustice (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@YoungJustice said:

Black Canary.

A sonic scream doesn't fair well with enhanced hearing.........

He's taken Hulk's thunderclaps just fine though. And with the healing factor, it's more a question of pain threshold than it is anything else. I can't think of anyone who has a higher tolerance for pain than Wolverine ...

Wouldn't a thunderclap not be so ear sensitive though?

It's like a 2 second pain.

#29 Posted by nickzambuto (13392 posts) - - Show Bio

lol at some of the choices in this thread...

Spider-Man is the obvious answer (PROBLEM SUPER_SOLDIER?) but there are more. Deathstroke is not one of them.

#30 Posted by nickzambuto (13392 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@YoungJustice said:

Black Canary.

A sonic scream doesn't fair well with enhanced hearing.........

He's taken Hulk's thunderclaps just fine though. And with the healing factor, it's more a question of pain threshold than it is anything else. I can't think of anyone who has a higher tolerance for pain than Wolverine ...

Wouldn't a thunderclap not be so ear sensitive though?

It's like a 2 second pain.

wat

#31 Posted by Strider92 (16276 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

lol at some of the choices in this thread...

Spider-Man is the obvious answer (PROBLEM SUPER_SOLDIER?) but there are more. Deathstroke is not one of them.

Finally someone who agrees with me! I do not understand why people say current Deathstroke can beat Logan. I personally don't see how he can do it.

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#32 Posted by YoungJustice (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@YoungJustice said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@YoungJustice said:

Black Canary.

A sonic scream doesn't fair well with enhanced hearing.........

He's taken Hulk's thunderclaps just fine though. And with the healing factor, it's more a question of pain threshold than it is anything else. I can't think of anyone who has a higher tolerance for pain than Wolverine ...

Wouldn't a thunderclap not be so ear sensitive though?

It's like a 2 second pain.

wat

A sonic scream is like a piece of chalk scraping across a chalkboard, irritating.

A thunderclap is like an explosion, annoying for a short time, then gone.

#33 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6244 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

lol at some of the choices in this thread...

Spider-Man is the obvious answer (PROBLEM SUPER_SOLDIER?) but there are more. Deathstroke is not one of them.

With webbing no problem at all whatsoever. Without webbing, not happening.

#34 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6244 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

@nickzambuto said:

@YoungJustice said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@YoungJustice said:

Black Canary.

A sonic scream doesn't fair well with enhanced hearing.........

He's taken Hulk's thunderclaps just fine though. And with the healing factor, it's more a question of pain threshold than it is anything else. I can't think of anyone who has a higher tolerance for pain than Wolverine ...

Wouldn't a thunderclap not be so ear sensitive though?

It's like a 2 second pain.

wat

A sonic scream is like a piece of chalk scraping across a chalkboard, irritating.

A thunderclap is like an explosion, annoying for a short time, then gone.

Either or won't matter. We're talking about a guy who fights on whilst on fire. Who fights one whilst holding his guts in his hands with holes the size of footballs riddled throughout his body.

A busted set of eardrums won't faze him.

#35 Posted by Chaos Prime (10842 posts) - - Show Bio

think we need to define Street-Level here because imo 90% of the characters mentioned here are beyond st level imo..

#36 Edited by HigorM (3733 posts) - - Show Bio

Fantomex?

Agent Zero with his powers and gear.

#37 Posted by nickzambuto (13392 posts) - - Show Bio

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@nickzambuto said:

lol at some of the choices in this thread...

Spider-Man is the obvious answer (PROBLEM SUPER_SOLDIER?) but there are more. Deathstroke is not one of them.

With webbing no problem at all whatsoever. Without webbing, not happening.

Probably not. I doubt Peter can knock Wolvy out.

#38 Posted by laflux (15377 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@nickzambuto said:

lol at some of the choices in this thread...

Spider-Man is the obvious answer (PROBLEM SUPER_SOLDIER?) but there are more. Deathstroke is not one of them.

With webbing no problem at all whatsoever. Without webbing, not happening.

Probably not. I doubt Peter can knock Wolvy out.

he cant. He said so before. What he can do is lift a 10-20 ton piece of something and crash it on logan trapping him and winning by incap

#39 Posted by nickzambuto (13392 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@nickzambuto said:

lol at some of the choices in this thread...

Spider-Man is the obvious answer (PROBLEM SUPER_SOLDIER?) but there are more. Deathstroke is not one of them.

With webbing no problem at all whatsoever. Without webbing, not happening.

Probably not. I doubt Peter can knock Wolvy out.

he cant. He said so before. What he can do is lift a 10-20 ton piece of something and crash it on logan trapping him and winning by incap

PROBLEM, SUPER_SOLDIER?

#40 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

Spiderman and Iron fist can probably do it. Daken and X-23 have beaten him before, right? Also, Sabretooth w/adamantium.

#41 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6244 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@nickzambuto said:

lol at some of the choices in this thread...

Spider-Man is the obvious answer (PROBLEM SUPER_SOLDIER?) but there are more. Deathstroke is not one of them.

With webbing no problem at all whatsoever. Without webbing, not happening.

Probably not. I doubt Peter can knock Wolvy out.

he cant. He said so before. What he can do is lift a 10-20 ton piece of something and crash it on logan trapping him and winning by incap

The environment is not favoring Spider-Man in the slightest though. Either in monopolizing on his far superior mobility or in an attempt to bury Wolvie. Easier said than done IMHO even when the environment favors him.

#42 Posted by Black Lantern Mar-vell (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

@PythonVsWalker said:

Daredevil... with ease.

Agree

#43 Posted by jashro44 (20801 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

Spiderman and Iron fist can probably do it. Daken and X-23 have beaten him before, right? Also, Sabretooth w/adamantium.

I think x-23 did once but wolverine wasn't really serious until the end (not 100%). Daken did once.

@laflux said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@nickzambuto said:

lol at some of the choices in this thread...

Spider-Man is the obvious answer (PROBLEM SUPER_SOLDIER?) but there are more. Deathstroke is not one of them.

With webbing no problem at all whatsoever. Without webbing, not happening.

Probably not. I doubt Peter can knock Wolvy out.

he cant. He said so before. What he can do is lift a 10-20 ton piece of something and crash it on logan trapping him and winning by incap

I don't think that would work in these conditions (spider-man without webbing vs wolverine). Those claws seem to intimidate spider-man a little bit based on there grave yard fight. I think they would put spider-man on the defensive to much, he wouldn't have the time to pick something heavy up. If wolverine didn't have his claws it could work but with them wolverine wins against a webbingless spider-man.

#44 Posted by jashro44 (20801 posts) - - Show Bio

@Black Lantern Mar-vell said:

@PythonVsWalker said:

Daredevil... with ease.

Agree

Disagreed.

#45 Posted by God_Spawn (37707 posts) - - Show Bio

@spidey 15: I agree. Slade isn't beating Logan and that Parker can beat.

I'd also throw in Cyclops. With his visor on and typically due to being a human, stat wise outside of some his accuracy feats, I'd place him as a street level.

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#46 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3448 posts) - - Show Bio
@Black Lantern Mar-vell

@PythonVsWalker said:

Daredevil... with ease.

Agree

Both of u are wrong! Daredevel has no chance whatsoever against wolverine.
#47 Posted by Ms. Omega (4437 posts) - - Show Bio

Spiderman he's done it before

#48 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3448 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of ppl that are posting are not reading the OP accurately. If logan is fighting at his BEST!!! And is fighting at the level he is capable of fighting at. None of these characters could beat him except spiderman and maybe iron fist. Daredevil, slade, cap, bats, canary, gorgon, daken, x-23, sabretooth, black panther....none of these martial artist could beat wolverine at his best and is not being restricted of his fighting skills by the writers.

#49 Posted by jashro44 (20801 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1 said:

A lot of ppl that are posting are not reading the OP accurately. If logan is fighting at his BEST!!! And is fighting at the level he is capable of fighting at. None of these characters could beat him except spiderman and maybe iron fist. Daredevil, slade, cap, bats, canary, gorgon, daken, x-23, sabretooth, black panther....none of these martial artist could beat wolverine at his best and is not being restricted of his fighting skills by the writers.

Gorgon has all ready beaten wolverine.

#50 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3448 posts) - - Show Bio
@jashro44

@ghost_rider1 said:

A lot of ppl that are posting are not reading the OP accurately. If logan is fighting at his BEST!!! And is fighting at the level he is capable of fighting at. None of these characters could beat him except spiderman and maybe iron fist. Daredevil, slade, cap, bats, canary, gorgon, daken, x-23, sabretooth, black panther....none of these martial artist could beat wolverine at his best and is not being restricted of his fighting skills by the writers.

Gorgon has all ready beaten wolverine.

Logan has lost to a lot of ppl. But that's cuz writers wanna play with his healing factor or restrict him of fighting potential. Just like a lot of characters beat taskmaster...but honestly no street level martial artist should be able to beat him either. Daredevil and cap has both got the upper hand of him but that should never happen if logan is fighting at his best