Strategies for Batman to fight a Force User (Star Wars)?

I'm kind of inspired by this thread http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/how-would-batman-with-prep-defeat-the-avengers-1622411

This led me to think of strategies or technologies that Batman can employ against a Force User.

We know that Force Users don't exist on DC Universe, but it doesn't mean there can never be technologies invented that can be used to counter the Force. And it doesn't mean that even with the heightened awareness provided by the Force, there can never exist a clever strategy to outwit a Force User.

I am currently thinking along the lines of a sneak attack on a Force User such sniping him from a long distance where he can't sense with the Force.

So for example purposes, let's set Batman in a fight against any one of the following:

• Darth Vader
• Yoda
• Mace Windu
• Obi Wan Kenobi

Would a prepped Batman stand a chance against them? What's your opinion here?

Be specific, there's no such thing as an archetypal Jedi Master.

Grandmaster Chew, is that you?

I've listed a few force users for scenario-based analysis. Not necessarily Jedi Master, given that Anakin Skywalker's included here too.

I'm pretty sure most force users have multiple forms of pre cog so sniping wouldn't work.

Well he does have a TK blocker...

You can't fight the force. The force is like TOAA which those 4 command a large portion of

The first sentence is false, if we're taking it literally - you can't literally counter someone's connection to the Force by using a machine. You can only do this through the Force itself.

The second sentence is along the right lines. Interrupting the concentration of a Force User, broadly speaking, is the best way to combat them, whether that means distracting them, overwhelming them with various weaponry or whatever else you can think of to take their mind off of using telekinesis and what not. Application of the Force requires concentration, so generally characters like bounty hunters will have numerous countermeasures in place to disrupt a Force user, such as explosives, flamethrowers, sonic emitters and just generally a lot of weaponry.

Another important factor may be distance - if a Jedi cannot take you out from range then their second best option is incapacitating you/killing you with their lightsaber. So one needs to create and maintain distance between the Force user and them, or the Force user and their weapon.

Boba and Jango Fett are the best guide to go by, pretty much.

Batman as he is in a random encounter would be slaughtered by any of the Force Users in the OP, especially Yoda... that's just nuts. The only way Batman would hold his own is if you gave him a silly amount of prep time/resources. Otherwise he isn't in their league. He could take out less powerful and prominent Force wielders, but the ones in the OP are all very high tier, Yoda and Vader being amongst the most powerful in the mythos. Even Boba Fett was pretty much stomped by a very weak incarnation of Vader, never mind the prime version Batman would be facing.

A couple ysalamari, cortosis weapons, and Mandalorian armor instead of his batsiut and THEORETICALLY he could win.

If he only has resources from the DC universe, I'm not sure he can even come close to winning.

Takes one his higher end suit

requires some battle suit

He should take a leaf out of your average bounty hunter's manual and essentially do what they do - run interference, sonic weaponry, maybe a thought scrambling weapon of some kind (Tony Stark was capable of inventing one to combat the Hulk) and he should be set. It's not as hard as everyone makes it out to be.

If Batman exists in a universe where the Force also exists I can't help but feel like Bruce very quickly becomes adept at its use (The Dark Knight Side?) But if that can't happen... Maybe fighting using his various Bat-vehicles and staying at range? Anything to cut down on the powers a Jedi can directly use on him.

But he is taking on some heavy-hitters who should probably be capable of swatting him aside and possibly capable of seeing through any traps or ruses Batman might set up (if they are really on their game)..

Given that this is a crossover is it not fair to allow Batmam's tech to work against the Force much like it does against meta-abilities (the TK blocker mentioned a above)?

Thanks for the information. I meant machines as in... Batman could possibly research on midichlorians and think of a counter to The Force.

So based on the information regarding strategy, Batman could arguably take out Jedis from a far range, hidden and with some disruptive device (plot or technology) that distracts the Jedi from bringing up their full potential for the Force?

@batgirlcc: Batman manipulating midichlorians with any amount of prep time is all but impossible. I made a post about it another thread which I can find.. but yeah no.. there isn't a machine Batman can make to replicate, dissipate or in any way affect the Force.

Yeah, causing Jedi to lose concentration is the core strategy in dealing with them.

@i_like_swords: If midichlorians are microscopic lifeforms... Couldn't Batman find a way to manipulate them like he does for viruses, bacteria?

Batman can bend over and kiss his butt goodbye.

@sirfizzwhizz: not nice. Batman with sufficient prep can deal with top-tier opponents. I just don't see how he can't handle Jedi, which are below top-tier in DC (top-tier here means Superman level).

Midichlorians are more than what make up viruses or bacteria - midichlorians are within every single living thing in the universe. The only way they have ever been affected is through the Force, by Force Users. Just read this post I made in a Batman vs Jedi Council thread.

Absolutely not. It is absolutely unheard of for someone to block anothers connection to the Force, unless it's a Force sensitive using an advanced Force ability like "Sever Force". As for "simulating the effects of the Force" - the only thing even remotely close to this would be Darth Tenebrous' research into maxichlorians, and Darth Plagueis' subsequent research into the manipulation of midichlorians. Except, there is a difference between them and Batman. They are Force sensitive, - meaning they have an inherent understanding of the Force that is simply beyond and impossible for those who are non-Force sensitive to understand - they are two of the most powerful and intelligent Sith Lords in the thousands of years the Order has existed, and they both spent several human lifetimes each doing little other than research into the Force with live test examples, virtually unlimited resources, and again, an inherent understanding of the Force regular beings simply lack.

Batman doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of coming within a light year of their success, even if he had their several lifetimes long time period to conduct that much research much less make anything of it. He has one year in this thread. The thought of Batman being able to prep for the Force is beyond ridiculous.

The Force>Chew Force. Bats bites it.

Chew Force is actually about PIS. Given this definition, Chew Force > The Force. Batman does stomp a force user with PIS, although I agree it doesn't help here.

Calling Martian Manhunter, Superman, or Flash.

@frisky4: That would be Martian Manhunter/Superman/Flash vs a Force user, not Batman vs Force user.

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@batgirlcc: Look up Batman vs Darth Vader on YouTube if you want an answer.

I feel like a high end Force user would be an absolute nightmare for Batman to deal with. The Force gives the user precognition and the ability to feel the opponent's intentions and feelings. A character that's so heavily dependent on stealth and unexpected attack strategies would be at a terrible disadvantage against someone who's power is to react to events before they occur.

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