" @Storm Calling: Then she's formed a thought that they can interpret clearly. "If they are one and in sync, then yes she formed the thought instead. :)
Storm & Wolverine vs. Raven & Beast Boy
Then we are back to square one where both women knock each other out because they strike at the same time.
" @Storm Calling: Then we are back to square one where both women knock each other out because they strike at the same time. "No we're not, we're at the end of the discussion. We overall came to the conclusion that Storm reacts before her own conscious thoughts because of her bond with nature. It allows for her to react before she herself is consciously aware. So it's more like Thought before Thought.
Confusing stuff but viable none the less. Thanks for the debate Outside. :)
It's not facts when you cant decide if she is consiously controlling the ability or not.
And yes, i agree it doesnt make sense many times, that scan with Scott shooting at her for example, how does light and voltage cancel out kinetic force and light?
@god_spawn:
9,82m/s is the speed any object falls with on the planet earth, its called gravity.
And I did say she was both consciously and subconsciously controlling her power, while maintaining complete control over her whole self. I have answered all of your question and will do so no longer...
Again you contradict yourself from erlier when you added that the elements were some kind of third party in all of this...
If wolverine can dodge automatic gunfire with minimal effort, run faster than a helicopter can lock onto him while shooting at him and move fast enough to look like a blur and give Pyslocke trouble tracking him and sabes while fighting, I dont see beast boy falling fast enough to smash him. If BB flew 30 feet in the air , he has to change and then he will fall its a 1-2 second window for wolverine to dodge and it will be easier to dodge due to it being a straight drop for Beast Boy.
" @AgeofHurricane: Yes, and i am asking how? Lighting isnt solid matter. "iT'S A COMIC BOOK! :)
As i mentioned in my first reply to the topic of Logan vs. Logan, the green Logan would only pin him to the ground, possibly smother him like a 30 ton pillow made of whale blubber.
Anyways it's not the only only thing he can do to Wolverine, turn into one of the extremely poisenous reptiles or insects and bit him since Wolverine is not immune to poisons (like he can still get drunk if he wants to). Also he can do what Wolverine himself did to Hulk in Old Man Logan, turn into a bacteria or worm then once inside Logan, change into something huge.
This also makes me wonder what would happen if he turned into something like a skunk or any other creature that produces a specific musk or scent. Could he fill the air with so many different scents that Wolverine would not be able to accurately track any specific scent? I would assume something like this has to have happened in the comics before, but I can't recall. If anyone knows, it would be interesting to find out.
" @Cosmic_Falcon said:Going to be kind of hard when Raven dimension dumps both of them. Or numbs both of their emotions and has Wolverine stick his claws through Storm's brain." @Roddy010 said:""Win easily "Wow this is still going on...Storm and Wolverine...
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Raven has precognition, and can go intangible which means nothing Storm can do will effect her." @Cosmic_Falcon: Storm lights them up before it even gets to that point.... "
And even if she didn't have precog, she can numb Storm and Wolverine with a thought.
speed of thought >> lightning
" @Roddy010 said:" @Cosmic_Falcon: Storm lights them up before it even gets to that point.... "Raven has precognition, and can go intangible which means nothing Storm can do will effect her. "
When has Raven ever gone intagible...Precognition won't help Raven here if Ororo has a faster reaction time than her....and if she does have intangibility that where Ororo's electricty comes into play to disrupt it...
" @Cosmic_Falcon said:Precognition can help her because she'll know what's coming before Storm even thinks "ok I'll zap her with lightning"" @Roddy010 said:When has Raven ever gone intagible...Precognition won't help Raven here if Ororo has a faster reaction time than her....and if she does have intangibility that where Ororo's electricty comes into play to disrupt it... "" @Cosmic_Falcon: Storm lights them up before it even gets to that point.... "Raven has precognition, and can go intangible which means nothing Storm can do will effect her. "
In the 80's Titan run, she could phase through solid objects. Storm's lightning won't disrupt her because there isn't anything to actually disrupt
And Storm still can't react faster then thought, which means worse case scenario, Raven numbs her and makes her fry Wolverine instead.
Either way, Raven solos this fight easily.
Wolverine may be able to track Beast Boy by his scent, but that wouldn't necessarily help him in the fight. Gar can turn into things that Wolverine could not possibly see or track. Even if he knew he was nearby, there would be nothing he could do to prevent Beast Boy from approaching in the form of a microscopic creature
I think it will help. He fights people blind before and goes off enhanced hearing and smell. Locating by scent is nothing new to wolverine. The only problem i see with BB going so tiny is with morals on, how often does he do that? Is he more likely to turn into a dinosaur and charge someone? Or is he gonna shrink down to an amoeba and crawl on Logan and whale out or something? With no morals i would give BB majority as he would find the quickest way to try an end it which he should be able to do. Same with Raven , no morals she would stomp team 1 , she soul selfs them and ends it.
This also makes me wonder what would happen if he turned into something like a skunk or any other creature that produces a specific musk or scent. Could he fill the air with so many different scents that Wolverine would not be able to accurately track any specific scent? I would assume something like this has to have happened in the comics before, but I can't recall. If anyone knows, it would be interesting to find out.
Wolverine's sense of smell has allowed him to pick up multiple scents at once and differentiates the scents. He has tracked people like prof x through multiple floors of the x mansion. he even picked up the scent of 3 people chasing him, and he figured out they were scared by even though they were a couple city blocks back. I dont believe it ever has happened as once he picks up a scent he knows where to locate the person or tell where a person has been. BB's best shot is to go ameoba and whale him but again with morals on i dont know how often he does it. No morals Gar wins.
" @Roddy010 said:Since when has lightning struck slower then the speed of thought? And that's not even taking into account that her lightning will strike before Storm's own speed of thought. The win clearly goes to team one because she is faster then Raven. Period. No precognition or intangibility will save her if she doesn't get the chance to use it...Raven has precognition, and can go intangible which means nothing Storm can do will effect her. And even if she didn't have precog, she can numb Storm and Wolverine with a thought. speed of thought >> lightning "" @Cosmic_Falcon: Storm lights them up before it even gets to that point.... "
" @Cosmic_Falcon said:It's not a matter of of lightning being faster then thought, it's a matter of Raven's powers working faster then Storm's do. Before Storm even thinks "ok, zap her with lightning", Raven could literally numb all of her emotions and make her attack Wolverine instead. It doesn't matter how fast Storm's attack is because she won't get it off in time" @Roddy010 said:Since when has lightning struck slower then the speed of thought? And that's not even taking into account that her lightning will strike before Storm's own speed of thought. The win clearly goes to team one because she is faster then Raven. Period. No precognition or intangibility will save her if she doesn't get the chance to use it... "Raven has precognition, and can go intangible which means nothing Storm can do will effect her. And even if she didn't have precog, she can numb Storm and Wolverine with a thought. speed of thought >> lightning "" @Cosmic_Falcon: Storm lights them up before it even gets to that point.... "
BTW Spiderman has also dodged Storm's lightning so it isn't very faster, it might be faster then Raven can dodge it, but not so fast that Raven can't put up a shield or go intangible
Raven slaughters both of them because her powers work faster and she's flat out far more powerful then Storm, she could easily kill Storm, Wolverine and a group of their X-men buddies if she wanted to.
Storm's lightning= Before a conscious thought
Raven's Emotion Numb= After a conscious thought
Storm is faster. Period.
Wolverine's sense of smell can be messed up. Rogue threw him off with pepper before, and I believe he did have a bad run in with a skunk which rendered his scent tracking useless. It wouldn't matter anyway. Raven or Beast Boy could easily solo. Emotional manipulation should be enough and that's not her best power. Gar is very good at going from something small and unnoticeable like a dust mite to something like a tyrannosaurus as a surprise attack. Neither Storm nor Wolverine can counter either of them.
" @Cosmic_Falcon: Storm's lightning= Before a conscious thought Raven's Emotion Numb= After a conscious thought Storm is faster. Period. "Once again
Raven's powers WORK faster. Raven's emotion numb takes place BEFORE Storm's lightning which SPIDERMAN has dodged
Raven could kill Storm in an instant.
" @bag_o_x_men: And neither Beast Boy or Raven can counter Storm. "Beast Boy could fly into her brain and kill her, Beast Boy could solo this fight as well.
" @god_spawn: Wolverine's sense of smell can be messed up. Rogue threw him off with pepper before, and I believe he did have a bad run in with a skunk which rendered his scent tracking useless. It wouldn't matter anyway. Raven or Beast Boy could easily solo. Emotional manipulation should be enough and that's not her best power. Gar is very good at going from something small and unnoticeable like a dust mite to something like a tyrannosaurus as a surprise attack. Neither Storm nor Wolverine can counter either of them. "
first off thanks for the correction i couldnt recall any time when his sense of smell was messed up. But for how long and were they directly to his face? and agreed i already stated with no morals team 2 would win.
" @Storm Calling said:Raven's power= After conscious thought" @Cosmic_Falcon: Storm's lightning= Before a conscious thought Raven's Emotion Numb= After a conscious thought Storm is faster. Period. "Once again Raven's powers WORK faster. Raven's emotion numb takes place BEFORE Storm's lightning which SPIDERMAN has dodged Raven could kill Storm in an instant. "
Storm's power= Before a conscious thought
It doesn't matter how fast her powers are because she will be down before she gets a chance to think to use them. Period.
Scan of spiderman dodging her lightning?
" @Storm Calling said:How if he's dead or Koed before he even gets the chance to counter her attack? He won't even have time to move let alone shapeshift." @bag_o_x_men: And neither Beast Boy or Raven can counter Storm. "Beast Boy could fly into her brain and kill her, Beast Boy could solo this fight as well. "
" @Cosmic_Falcon said:Actually yeah, it does matter, storm clouds don't appear out of no where, which are needed to create lightning, even if Storm had faster reaction time [which I highly doubt] she'll be too numb to actually do anything. Raven wins easily." @Storm Calling said:Raven's power= After conscious thought Storm's power= Before a conscious thought It doesn't matter how fast her powers are because she will be down before she gets a chance to think to use them. Period. Scan of spiderman dodging her lightning? "" @Cosmic_Falcon: Storm's lightning= Before a conscious thought Raven's Emotion Numb= After a conscious thought Storm is faster. Period. "Once again Raven's powers WORK faster. Raven's emotion numb takes place BEFORE Storm's lightning which SPIDERMAN has dodged Raven could kill Storm in an instant. "
Don't have scans but it was from Secret Wars.
" @Cosmic_Falcon said:Storm's reaction time is no faster then Beast Boy's, he'll turn into a flea or some microscopic organism, fly into her brain, and expand, popping Storm's head like a balloon." @Storm Calling said:How if he's dead or Koed before he even gets the chance to counter her attack? He won't even have time to move let alone shapeshift. "" @bag_o_x_men: And neither Beast Boy or Raven can counter Storm. "Beast Boy could fly into her brain and kill her, Beast Boy could solo this fight as well. "
" @Storm Calling said:Storm has peak human level reaction on top of generating her powers before a conscious thought." @Cosmic_Falcon said:Actually yeah, it does matter, storm clouds don't appear out of no where, which are needed to create lightning, even if Storm had faster reaction time [which I highly doubt] she'll be too numb to actually do anything. Raven wins easily. Don't have scans but it was from Secret Wars. "" @Storm Calling said:Raven's power= After conscious thought Storm's power= Before a conscious thought It doesn't matter how fast her powers are because she will be down before she gets a chance to think to use them. Period. Scan of spiderman dodging her lightning? "" @Cosmic_Falcon: Storm's lightning= Before a conscious thought Raven's Emotion Numb= After a conscious thought Storm is faster. Period. "Once again Raven's powers WORK faster. Raven's emotion numb takes place BEFORE Storm's lightning which SPIDERMAN has dodged Raven could kill Storm in an instant. "
And Storm doesn't need clouds to generate her lightning.
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