Storm vs. War Machine and Iron Man.

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We are not talking bodily reflexes here when you match Cap's speed vs Storm's. Storm is clearly beyond human reflexes when we consider her powers manifest's before she even forms a thought. If this guy is moving at 300 mph, he clearly isn't in the speed range to take on a vs human thought speed attack vs before human thought speed attack. So I don't really see a speed blitz as an option here if we consider this speed for tony. And that was my point all along.  
 
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" I still don't understand. How does him knowing she was going to strike with lightning help the fact that she was able to attack him before he could leap up and tackle her? Are you saying that he allowed Ororo to attack him with lightning just for the fun of it?

" We don't know how fast she can manifest her powers because they activate before she forms a thought. There are no human physical limitations that would prevent her from accomplishing the feat as far as we both are concerned. She saw him about to throw the hammer and her first thought(I'm Sure) was to move herself out of the way with her winds because that is what she was aloft on. It's the only explanation for why Claremont allowed Storm to keep up with beings as fast as the people I've shown and are far out of her human speed limitation class. Storm is clearly no slouch in the speed department and I think she is clearly a match for tony, maybe not both of them at the same time but one on one for sure. "

No Storm's power is faster then speed of thought, I have proven that with this "self contained hurricane in less than a conscious thought" scan.
 

"No Storm's power is faster then speed of thought, I have proven that with this "self contained hurricane in less than a conscious thought" scan.
 

  Her reflexes are definitely at peak human levels.  My case was to prove that ironman could not move or operate his armor at the speed he could think, which is picoseconds. With you admitting that he's somewhere in 300-600mph range you have now admitted that ironman does not move as fast as thought patterns for a speed blitz on Storm.  My point of the Black Panther feat was to show that Storm could attack Black Panther faster then he could attack her. Regardless to if he was shielded or not, her powers reacted faster then he could attack.  Claremont has a clear understanding of how Storm's powers work. He was infact the man who has written her since her both, According to the scan, the hammer was thrown with tremendous force and it was definitely fatal enough to shatter storm's body into dust, and she was barely able to dodge it. "

" @Storm Calling said:

"No Storm's power is faster then speed of thought, I have proven that with this "self contained hurricane in less than a conscious thought" scan.
 

  Her reflexes are definitely at peak human levels.  My case was to prove that ironman could not move or operate his armor at the speed he could think, which is picoseconds. With you admitting that he's somewhere in 300-600mph range you have now admitted that ironman does not move as fast as thought patterns for a speed blitz on Storm.  My point of the Black Panther feat was to show that Storm could attack Black Panther faster then he could attack her. Regardless to if he was shielded or not, her powers reacted faster then he could attack.  Claremont has a clear understanding of how Storm's powers work. He was infact the man who has written her since her both, According to the scan, the hammer was thrown with tremendous force and it was definitely fatal enough to shatter storm's body into dust, and she was barely able to dodge it. "

I'm slightly confused here...If she acknowledges what she must do, and THEN does it...Isn't that considered at the speed of thought, if anything? "

" No Storm's power is faster then speed of thought, I have proven that with this "self contained hurricane in less than a conscious thought" scan.
 

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"  My case was to prove that ironman could not move or operate his armor at the speed he could think, which is picoseconds. With you admitting that he's somewhere in 300-600mph range you have now admitted that ironman does not move as fast as thought patterns for a speed blitz on Storm.  "

"  My point of the Black Panther feat was to show that Storm could attack Black Panther faster then he could attack her. Regardless to if he was shielded or not, her powers reacted faster then he could attack.  "

"  Claremont has a clear understanding of how Storm's powers work. He was infact the man who has written her since her birth "

"  According to the scan, the hammer was thrown with tremendous force and it was definitely fatal enough to shatter storm's body into dust, and she was barely able to dodge it. "

I have already explained the problems with this scan. Same way you don't acknoweldge my scans for Iron Man, only that here, the problem is far more obvious. There is no such thing as less than the speed of thought. Storm has to think to do something. Here not only she thinks about it, but she also speaks before doing it. So, unless Storm is capable of uttering a complete phrase in the blink of an eye, she actually makes a full thought, and then some before creating the hurricane.

Too bad I actually indulged you and proved Iron Man to be at the very least ten times faster than a peak human , who is Captain America. The claim that Storm is peak human is baseless, to say the least. She engages in regular exercise, and that's it. I have shown to you Iron Man disappearing in the blink of an eye, into thin air in front of a man who is 11 times faster than Captain America, and re-appearing behind him, with the man not being able to perceive him. A man who isn't peak human - he is an an enhanced human. Storm couldn't understand how Wolverine cut her cape (Claremont, with his great undersatnding of Storm's powers, also wrote that), and she can't be blitzed by someone several times faster? Please.
 
And my case was that Iron Man wins without moving, not that he can attack (physically) in picoseconds. If you were paying attention, you would have known this by now. But you were curious about how fast can Iron Man attack, and I gave an answer. Far above 10.7 times faster than a peak human could. And Storm is not on that level.

And Black Panther is slower than anyone else named here, so the point was moot, all along. But yes, I forgot. You said Black Panther's speed is comparable to Spider-man's. 

 

 Indeed. And the same man had her being unable to perceive Logan, and being one shotted by Cyclops, from more than 300 metres away. 

wait,so Storm "defeated" Cylcops by removing his visors?
if that was a true fight,Cyclops would have killed her
not to mention,Madelyne Prior made Cyclops lose the fight and ,even if she hadnt,it would have been PIS

" And I have already proven that you misrepresented the scan by saying she summoned the Storm before she replied to Xavier when It's clearly showing on the same panel, her with her hands up and eyes white with wind blowing from them. There was never any indication that she said those words before she created the Storm, you are only assuming she said it first. You have absolutely nothing to go on beside the dialog that you continue to ignore. 
 
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Less then a conscious thought means that Storm's powers are actively running subconsciously in the background. They activate before she consciously thinks to summon them and carry out her will before she asks them to do so.That is what the scan is implying and describes. It's very similar to how she summons storm's unwillingly when her emotions get out of check. Weather doesn't just come out of nowhere, for her to even be able to create weather effects in the blink of an eye there would have to be some form of manipulation going on before she actually thinks to summon a Storm.
 
 

"   Her reflexes are definitely at peak human levels.   "

" A human that has trained from five to adult on how to fight, steal, and run is baseline? Cyclops hasn't even nearly been training that long and he is considered a peak human. Storm had the coordination of a young girl at the age of six months and has had training from multiple fighters in the past including members of the X-men. The woman has lead the team with no powers at all and has taken on people Captain America's speed and faster with no powers at all. Yes, Claremont has downplayed Storm quite a few times but he knows enough to make a point that her powers and skills are there when he's not. Wolverine cutting her cape and her not knowing would be her being downplayed, look at the feats i posted of her with gambit, calisto, and Black Panther and you would see that I'm not talking bull.
 
 

@Storm Calling

" Umm T'challa could stalemate Captain America.
 
And he's fast enough to keep up with and surprise wolverine

 

 
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 Indeed. And the same man had her being unable to perceive Logan, and being one shotted by Cyclops, from more than 300 metres away. 

You mean like this?

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"  Xavier asks Storm to create a hurricane and her powers already go to work before she thinks to to summon the storm... "

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1)  A sonic device against somebody who can control the medium that sound needs to travel on? Not very smart. Sonar weapons should be useless against Ororo.

 

2) Some of you are right about this being a "spite" thread. Storm wins easily, or have you forgotten that IM and WM have suits that requires electrical power and EM fields to operate. In an issue of Black Panther, with just a thought, Storm made the power than ran a spaceship go away thus robbing it of all its energy it needed to function. What's to stop her from commanding the energy to leave IM's and WM's armors the same way? 
 
She can beat them easily. You see, when a character is as powerful and versatile as Storm, it doesn't always take HUGE power displays to beat the enemy. Sometimes, a pin is all that is required and one can leave the mallet in the garage. ;) 
 

http://img71.imageshack.us/i/emdownpf3.jpg/     "

"@Storm Calling said:

"  Xavier asks Storm to create a hurricane and her powers already go to work before she thinks to to summon the storm... "

Ironman still wins and War Machine can solo
 
 
plus Storm has no durability
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" @Storm Calling said:

"  Xavier asks Storm to create a hurricane and her powers already go to work before she thinks to to summon the storm... "

Ironman still wins and War Machine can solo
 
 
plus Storm has no durability
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" @BatDance said:

" @Storm Calling said:

"  Xavier asks Storm to create a hurricane and her powers already go to work before she thinks to to summon the storm... "

Ironman still wins and War Machine can solo
 
 
plus Storm has no durability
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OOOOOO so mature..
and dint spider-man BEG for Storm not to reduce him to the bug he is.
"Please don't hurricane me!" "

" @Son Of Storm said:

" @BatDance said:

" @Storm Calling said:

"  Xavier asks Storm to create a hurricane and her powers already go to work before she thinks to to summon the storm... "

Ironman still wins and War Machine can solo
 
 
plus Storm has no durability
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OOOOOO so mature..
and dint spider-man BEG for Storm not to reduce him to the bug he is.
"Please don't hurricane me!" "

Spider-man took it easy on her. If Pete wished it, the punch would have penetrated her skull as if it were butter.
 
On a serious note, why do people actually take what BatDance, of all people, posts, seriously, I'll never know. "

"I don't ignore the dialogue. I actually acknowledge it. The narration comes after the dialogue in the scan. 

What you purposely fail to understand is this: the blink of an eye, roughly equals, the speed of thought. Once you said the following, nothing else actually mattered: 

Even if Storm's reflexes and speed were at peak human levels (which they are not), that would translate that she is 11 times slower than Mallen, in front of whom Iron Man disappeared in the blink of an eye. Since Mallen has enhanced speed and reflexes, his thought process must match his speed, it would be illogical to think it is otherwise. In our case, his thought must analogically be at approximately the same level as his speed is - 11 times faster than someone who is above the best Olympic athlete (Captain America). And he couldn't even see Iron Man. How all these, that I actually have to analyze more than once, are proof that Storm would not be blitzed by Iron Man, are beyond me, and honestly, at this point, I do not care. 
 
I hope you realize that none of these actually matters. You name experience/training, which are irrelevant to her physical condition in general. A person is able to posess great physical attributes, without actually being at peak condition You name which people she has faced, yet Storm has not disappeared in the blink of an eye in front of a superhuman opponent, leaving him wonder as to her whereabouts, so that is also irrelevant. We aren't talking about "taking on superhuman opponents". We are talking about them being unable to perceive her, which they clearly can.
 
I don't say you speak "bull". I say that Storm's speed fluctuates, to the point that we cannot be certain about the exact level, and there is no indication whatsoever, nor anything in your last argument, to confirm that she is, in fact, peak human. And Cyclops isn't peak human, either. Even if he was, that would be no reason as to why Storm should be his equal.
 
Congratulations, I've known/seen both of these. None of the two are anywhere near Spider-man's league when it comes to speed, and when I was saying "slower than anyone here", I was referring to Mallen, Spider-man and Iron Man, not Captain America, since I've already shown Mallen to be far faster than he is. It is generally regarded here that had not the plot being "protecting" Captain America on certain occasions against Spider-man, his great experience and fighting skill would be no match for someone who is so drastically superior in any other way. And yet you say to me that the Panther stalemated Steve - which Spider-man has also done, with bad writing, and without even trying to hurt him. None of the two feats put T'Challa significantly above Steve's, let alone Spider-man's level of speed. But, if you doubt about any of these, you are free to create/bump one of the already existing threads concerning these characters, since this is getting far off topic.
 
No, like this. 

 Really, I do not see any way we can get over this point, and if after anything I have done until now, you (obviously) still passionately believe Storm to be more than a match for Iron Man's speed level, then I honestly have nothing more to contribute on this thread. I have grown weary of this, for some time now. "

Iron Man and War Machine destroy her, either can solo this.

" @Storm Calling said:

"  Xavier asks Storm to create a hurricane and her powers already go to work before she thinks to to summon the storm... "

Ironman still wins and War Machine can solo
 
 
plus Storm has no durability
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"No you are just arguing in circles with me and now you want to leave before I can prove that Storm does in fact have enough showing that put her well in the range of peak human levels.
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"No you are just arguing in circles with me and now you want to leave before I can prove that Storm does in fact have enough showing that put her well in the range of peak human levels. The narration in the scan started in the second panel when all of this confusion is taking place. It did not finish until the last panel. There are absolutely no contradictions in the scan and I have proven that, you are now just grasping at strings.

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Her reflexes are definitely in peak human levels but her powers work in superhuman reflex levels. That is the point I was trying to make and what you keep confusing yourself with. The guy from extremist will lose a speed race if we put him in a test simulation to see if he can reach a target before Storm can strike it with lightning. He's not faster then thought speed and he's definitely not faster then before human thought speed. Even if ironman appeared as a blurr to him he still stopped behind him and attacked before he could take him out. The guy clearly was limited to physical movement in order to project his powers, Storm is not however...
 
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Her reflexes are definitely in peak human levels but her powers work in superhuman reflex levels. That is the point I was trying to make and what you keep confusing yourself with. The guy from extremist will lose a speed race if we put him in a test simulation to see if he can reach a target before Storm can strike it with lightning. He's not faster then thought speed and he's definitely not faster then before human thought speed. Even if ironman appeared as a blurr to him he still stopped behind him and attacked before he could take him out. The guy clearly was limited to physical movement in order to project his powers, Storm is not however...
 

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Storm's speed does not and has not fluntuated, the problem is she's written down alot and it can get confusing at times what her true power levels are. The rule here however is that we go by showings when they are not being played down and I have proven and shown many instances where Storm has held her own and defeated people well past her human speed.
 
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"    I am still sticking with Storm being fast enough to hold her own with Ironman, you have not given me enough that suggest otherwise, Sorry, it really was a nice debate... "

" @Storm Calling said:

"No you are just arguing in circles with me and now you want to leave before I can prove that Storm does in fact have enough showing that put her well in the range of peak human levels.
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Now you are just trying to get a response. If you could have persuaded me that Storm is peak human, and above, you would have done so already. Show me a scan of her vanishing inot thin air, in front of a superhuman, far above Cap's level, and I'll gladly concede. As for me wanting to leave. You may not realize it, but just because you are new here, and Storm is all you wish to debate about, that does not mean I have to try and repeat myself each and every time a Storm fan joins the site and has his own views on Ororo, and how her abilities tarnish everyone else.
 
@Storm Calling said:

"No you are just arguing in circles with me and now you want to leave before I can prove that Storm does in fact have enough showing that put her well in the range of peak human levels. The narration in the scan started in the second panel when all of this confusion is taking place. It did not finish until the last panel. There are absolutely no contradictions in the scan and I have proven that, you are now just grasping at strings.

Even if it would be so, I already stated my problems with that, above.
 
@Storm Calling said:

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Her reflexes are definitely in peak human levels but her powers work in superhuman reflex levels. That is the point I was trying to make and what you keep confusing yourself with. The guy from extremist will lose a speed race if we put him in a test simulation to see if he can reach a target before Storm can strike it with lightning. He's not faster then thought speed and he's definitely not faster then before human thought speed. Even if ironman appeared as a blurr to him he still stopped behind him and attacked before he could take him out. The guy clearly was limited to physical movement in order to project his powers, Storm is not however...
 
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Defeating someone who is peak human, still doesn't make you peak human, if the guy with whom you are fighting has no credible h2h feats, in order to use his supposed physical skills at their fullest, like Captain America does. Especially since I have specifically stated that merely being at Captain America's level is insufficient. And I have already said that Storm's leadership abilities, or strain in her lifetime doesn't make her equal to Captain America, nor do they make her Olympic level.
 
 

@Storm Calling

said:

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Her reflexes are definitely in peak human levels but her powers work in superhuman reflex levels. That is the point I was trying to make and what you keep confusing yourself with. The guy from extremist will lose a speed race if we put him in a test simulation to see if he can reach a target before Storm can strike it with lightning. He's not faster then thought speed and he's definitely not faster then before human thought speed. Even if ironman appeared as a blurr to him he still stopped behind him and attacked before he could take him out. The guy clearly was limited to physical movement in order to project his powers, Storm is not however...
 

I have given you exact figures for this, and my point stands. You can try and diminish the character, but his, and Storm's speed remain given.
 
@Storm Calling said:

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Storm's speed does not and has not fluntuated, the problem is she's written down alot and it can get confusing at times what her true power levels are. The rule here however is that we go by showings when they are not being played down and I have proven and shown many instances where Storm has held her own and defeated people well past her human speed.
 
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And none of which was at Mallen's level, but that's about the 5th time I say that. As for writers downplaying her...You can't have it both ways. When she's dodging Thor it's OK, and not PIS, but when she gets tagged, then it's PIS? As you would have said, "I don't buy it".

@Storm Calling said:

"    I am still sticking with Storm being fast enough to hold her own with Ironman, you have not given me enough that suggest otherwise, Sorry, it really was a nice debate... "

You mean except him vanishing in front of someone who is faster than she'll ever be..? Couldn't resist saying that.
 
I didn't mind this debate, either.
 
Nice scans by the way, but none of them proves anything. And  T'Challa has been written to have a chance with someone who destroys planets and reacts in nanoseconds. Holding his own against Iron Man (I'm sure you post it to indicate there is no speed difference, because otherwise T'Challa was wearing his suit in that fight) doesn't surprise me. "

Storm is really powerful. Iron Man and War Machine's armors are an easy way for Storm to beat them.

if this is extremis  iron man or current war machine then they'd win

" Storm can just take the air out of their lungs  "

The Armored heroes win

Storm wins this battle. an EMP to both machines will do the trick.

IM and WM take this with absolute ease 

" @Matezoide: thats not THAT bad,  i mean Storm can seperate Oxygen from water i'm sure she can seperate oxygen from air. "

" @Matezoide: thats not THAT bad,  i mean Storm can seperate Oxygen from water i'm sure she can seperate oxygen from air. "

" I would love to see anyone separate oxygen from air, let alone Storm."

" @drkcloud said:

" @Matezoide: thats not THAT bad,  i mean Storm can seperate Oxygen from water i'm sure she can seperate oxygen from air. "

I would love to see anyone separate oxygen from air, let alone Storm. I know of n one that could, except maybe Webster. "

"@geometry said:

" I would love to see anyone separate oxygen from air, let alone Storm."

Do you not breathe or what? "

"@Korg: He breathes triangles, rectangles and parallelograms. 
 
@geometry said:

" @drkcloud said:

" @Matezoide: thats not THAT bad,  i mean Storm can seperate Oxygen from water i'm sure she can seperate oxygen from air. "

I would love to see anyone separate oxygen from air, let alone Storm. I know of n one that could, except maybe Webster. "

Why did you just steal Webster's dictionary? I saw you steal it. You evil triangle.  "

" @geometry: Wrong!. You only breathe hectagons and squares. LOL. "

" Yes. I tend to breathe air or oxygen. Or maybe both. Have you noticed that no one has ever stated, "there's oxygen in that air over there". LMAO "

"@geometry said:

" Yes. I tend to breathe air or oxygen. Or maybe both. Have you noticed that no one has ever stated, "there's oxygen in that air over there". LMAO "

Well, when you breathe air, you are separating the oxygen from the other elements in it. Also, I have heard more than one person say things like, "There's some good oxygen in this air." Most of them are science teachers, but it does happen. If air was pure oxygen, the Earth's entire atmosphere would be combustible. "

" I'm not sure you're so much separating it, as you are converting it. But whatever. I'm not a science teacher. "

Iron Man and War machine. Lets be serious for a second.

" @geometry: Correct. You are a geometry teacher. LOL. "

" @geometry said:

" I'm not sure you're so much separating it, as you are converting it. But whatever. I'm not a science teacher. "

You're separating it. The oxygen is converted into CO2. Air is about 78% nitrogren, which is an inert gas, meaning you just exhale it again. "