@18hunt: @HyperViper97: What can Static do that would allow him to solo Storm?
Great speed, strength, control over metal, resistant/immune to her main attacks lightning); plus he has so much energy in him that if you cut right through his arm it immediately fuses back together. And yes, I am completely serious about that.
@18hunt: @HyperViper97: What can Static do that would allow him to solo Storm?
Great speed, strength, control over metal, resistant/immune to her main attacks lightning); plus he has so much energy in him that if you cut right through his arm it immediately fuses back together. And yes, I am completely serious about that.
Sorry, not convincing enough. Can you elaborate on his speed? Are we talking speedster level or is he just fast when it comes to how fact he can react?
@18hunt: @HyperViper97: What can Static do that would allow him to solo Storm?
Great speed, strength, control over metal, resistant/immune to her main attacks lightning); plus he has so much energy in him that if you cut right through his arm it immediately fuses back together. And yes, I am completely serious about that.
Sorry, not convincing enough. Can you elaborate on his speed? Are we talking speedster level or is he just fast when it comes to how fact he can react?
Fast as in he was able to defeat Ravager who had the ever-present ability to see 5 seconds into the future (allowing her to respond to enemy moves before they even started to make them). He's generally around the speed of lightning I think.
He's also able to one-hit-kill mass amounts of people. During a zombie attack he stopped a bridge full of them by disrupting the electrical impulses in their body (h also showed enough control to do this with a storm but only hit the zombies and spare the normal people).
@Mr_Ingenuity: Thank you very much for providing the scans, they really help. :)
From what I can tell, Static isn't immune to electricity, and he was able to deflect bullets with his close body EM field(seems to be on most of the time). He's quite skillful in combat(As I knew he was), but none of this is convincing to the degree that he would solo Storm.
@rpottage: I don't think that point about Ravanger proves that he can think faster. I would actually like to know exactly how he beat her or do you have scans?
He can control the electrical impulses in the body? That may get him a win, although Storm doesn't really need to move to use her powers, unless he is willing to disrupt the synapses in her brain(Which I'm doubting highly that he'd do with morals). It's plausible with zombies considering they are already dead.
@Mr_Ingenuity: Thank you very much for providing the scans, they really help. :)
From what I can tell, Static isn't immune to electricity, and he was able to deflect bullets with his close body EM field(seems to be on most of the time). He's quite skillful in combat(As I knew he was), but none of this is convincing to the degree that he would solo Storm.
@rpottage: I don't think that point about Ravanger proves that he can think faster. I would actually like to know exactly how he beat her or do you have scans?
He can control the electrical impulses in the body? That may get him a win, although Storm doesn't really need to move to use her powers, unless he is willing to disrupt the synapses in her brain(Which I'm doubting highly that he'd do with morals). It's plausible with zombies considering they are already dead.
I didn't say think fast, I said he is fast. I mean yes, he can think fast; but that's because he's intelligent and knows a lot about science which he uses to his advantage.
As for how he beat her, basically he kicked her ass. His attacks were fast enough to hit her, she was able to dodge some but not all of them. He was too fast and too powerful. When she did get some room an managed to attack him she ended up shocking herself by hitting him. He finally ended it all when he sucked up all the surrounding electricity and unleased a final blast on her. His first two attacks in the fight destroyed half the ring, part of her costume, and her sword. He was just too fast and too strong for her, even with her precog abilities (which Clock King had used when he stomped the Teen Titans earlier).
How, exactly, do you think Storm is going to take him?
I didn't say think fast, I said he is fast. I mean yes, he can think fast; but that's because he's intelligent and knows a lot about science which he uses to his advantage.
As for how he beat her, basically he kicked her ass. His attacks were fast enough to hit her, she was able to dodge some but not all of them. He was too fast and too powerful. When she did get some room an managed to attack him she ended up shocking herself by hitting him. He finally ended it all when he sucked up all the surrounding electricity and unleased a final blast on her. His first two attacks in the fight destroyed half the ring, part of her costume, and her sword. He was just too fast and too strong for her, even with her precog abilities (which Clock King had used when he stomped the Teen Titans earlier).
How, exactly, do you think Storm is going to take him?
I see, just trying to figure out if Virgil's fast enough to take her out before she can blink or react(Which I am now doubting). That's the sort of speed I am trying to determine if he can use in this fight.
I didn't say think fast, I said he is fast. I mean yes, he can think fast; but that's because he's intelligent and knows a lot about science which he uses to his advantage.
As for how he beat her, basically he kicked her ass. His attacks were fast enough to hit her, she was able to dodge some but not all of them. He was too fast and too powerful. When she did get some room an managed to attack him she ended up shocking herself by hitting him. He finally ended it all when he sucked up all the surrounding electricity and unleased a final blast on her. His first two attacks in the fight destroyed half the ring, part of her costume, and her sword. He was just too fast and too strong for her, even with her precog abilities (which Clock King had used when he stomped the Teen Titans earlier).
How, exactly, do you think Storm is going to take him?
I see, just trying to figure out if Virgil's fast enough to take her out before she can blink or react(Which I am now doubting). That's the sort of speed I am trying to determine if he can use in this fight.
No, nothing like that. He's not Flash speed if that's what you mean. It's more his attacks which are almost all lightening speed. I think he's official speed is typically around 200 MPH when using his disk. His attacks are fast enough that Storm won't simply be able to avoid them, but in terms of his body it would be fast enough to probably over come her or dodge her attacks. He's about twice as fast as the average tornado wind speed.
I didn't say think fast, I said he is fast. I mean yes, he can think fast; but that's because he's intelligent and knows a lot about science which he uses to his advantage.
As for how he beat her, basically he kicked her ass. His attacks were fast enough to hit her, she was able to dodge some but not all of them. He was too fast and too powerful. When she did get some room an managed to attack him she ended up shocking herself by hitting him. He finally ended it all when he sucked up all the surrounding electricity and unleased a final blast on her. His first two attacks in the fight destroyed half the ring, part of her costume, and her sword. He was just too fast and too strong for her, even with her precog abilities (which Clock King had used when he stomped the Teen Titans earlier).
How, exactly, do you think Storm is going to take him?
I see, just trying to figure out if Virgil's fast enough to take her out before she can blink or react(Which I am now doubting). That's the sort of speed I am trying to determine if he can use in this fight.
No, nothing like that. He's not Flash speed if that's what you mean. It's more his attacks which are almost all lightening speed. I think he's official speed is typically around 200 MPH when using his disk. His attacks are fast enough that Storm won't simply be able to avoid them, but in terms of his body it would be fast enough to probably over come her or dodge her attacks. He's about twice as fast as the average tornado wind speed.
Ah I see, that sums it up quite well for me then. Thanks for providing me all of the info, as I didn't want to jump in and speak against points that others were making without understanding what they were saying. I know a few things about Virgil myself but I haven't been following him for awhile now, so I wasn't sure if he'd advance to a degree that I would remember his skill/power level were.
Now we can actually get into some debating. lol
For his attacks, I think Storm outclasses him in overall raw power over the electrical element, considering she has been shown manipulating and controlling far more amounts of energy than Static has. Given that, I don't really see why Storm would need to dodge his attacks when she could easily deflect or redirect them. She's not immune to electricity, but she has shown that she can block or become immune to an electrical attack if she is prepared for it. She also may be able to overload him with electricity or use force bolts to knock him unconscious.
The winds is where he has a huge problem. He may can move at the speed that cyclones can circle, but in aoe-fasion he's going to have problems. Not only that, but Storm can get very direct with her attacks and mess with the pressure in his inner ear or his lungs. She can batter him with a combination of powerful winds and cold attacks, along with applying hail driven by her hurricane winds(Which can drive straw through brick).
Virgil may be able to come up with something that can bring her down if he had time, but I doubt Storm will give him the opportunity.
You could make a case for any one of these character's beating Storm, she gets stomped by all 3.
I'm not certain about Terra but I'm assuming a lightning bolt can deal with her?
Both Terra and Storm are glass cannon's, both can launch ranged attacks but Terra has the advantage in that her fastest attacks can be non-lethal so not out of character a lightning bolt would be, neither are grounded.
If moral's where off both would most likely die although Terra would have a chance to live if she knew what Storm was could do before hand, Storm would strike with lightning and Terra would have the ground beneath launch up in a hail of stone bullets. Terra's ability to move the Earth is incredibly powerful as shown when Ultra Humanite possessed her body.
@Dextersinister: Storm isn't quite a glass canon, she has defenses, and Terra's Earth really isn't a problem for her. She can deflect them with her winds and lightning. Terra doesn't really have much defense in terms of what Storm could dish.
I didn't say think fast, I said he is fast. I mean yes, he can think fast; but that's because he's intelligent and knows a lot about science which he uses to his advantage.
As for how he beat her, basically he kicked her ass. His attacks were fast enough to hit her, she was able to dodge some but not all of them. He was too fast and too powerful. When she did get some room an managed to attack him she ended up shocking herself by hitting him. He finally ended it all when he sucked up all the surrounding electricity and unleased a final blast on her. His first two attacks in the fight destroyed half the ring, part of her costume, and her sword. He was just too fast and too strong for her, even with her precog abilities (which Clock King had used when he stomped the Teen Titans earlier).
How, exactly, do you think Storm is going to take him?
I see, just trying to figure out if Virgil's fast enough to take her out before she can blink or react(Which I am now doubting). That's the sort of speed I am trying to determine if he can use in this fight.
No, nothing like that. He's not Flash speed if that's what you mean. It's more his attacks which are almost all lightening speed. I think he's official speed is typically around 200 MPH when using his disk. His attacks are fast enough that Storm won't simply be able to avoid them, but in terms of his body it would be fast enough to probably over come her or dodge her attacks. He's about twice as fast as the average tornado wind speed.
Ah I see, that sums it up quite well for me then. Thanks for providing me all of the info, as I didn't want to jump in and speak against points that others were making without understanding what they were saying. I know a few things about Virgil myself but I haven't been following him for awhile now, so I wasn't sure if he'd advance to a degree that I would remember his skill/power level were.
Now we can actually get into some debating. lol
For his attacks, I think Storm outclasses him in overall raw power over the electrical element, considering she has been shown manipulating and controlling far more amounts of energy than Static has. Given that, I don't really see why Storm would need to dodge his attacks when she could easily deflect or redirect them. She's not immune to electricity, but she has shown that she can block or become immune to an electrical attack if she is prepared for it. She also may be able to overload him with electricity or use force bolts to knock him unconscious.
The winds is where he has a huge problem. He may can move at the speed that cyclones can circle, but in aoe-fasion he's going to have problems. Not only that, but Storm can get very direct with her attacks and mess with the pressure in his inner ear or his lungs. She can batter him with a combination of powerful winds and cold attacks, along with applying hail driven by her hurricane winds(Which can drive straw through brick).
Virgil may be able to come up with something that can bring her down if he had time, but I doubt Storm will give him the opportunity.
Actually I don't think she does outclass him in electrical power, not anymore. When Cyborg was taken over by Jericho; he set up a room specifically designed to contain Static and block his powers. Even with that Static still used his powers, blew up the room, and sent power all the way from San Fransico to New York; the amount of power being enough to blow up the Titans tower and electrocute Cyborg. That's pretty powerful all things considered.
More than that he's far more skilled in its use. I don't see what Storm can do if he gives her the opposite charge of the electricity she calls forth. It would be immediately attracted to her. He could also charge metal to be attracted to her charge; or just use his power to throw cars at her or wrap metal around her.
And he can absorb electricity sent at him, as we all redirect it. And while storm has some ability to do that; I don't see her having much success if Static floods the entire area with electrical discharges. Not to mention I don't think she can generate nearly enough power to try and overload him; considering he blacked out New York when he drained an entire power plant for one of his fights. As for the wind I don't see that causing much trouble at all. Even in his early days before he became more powerful, his EM fields were strong enough to defend against collapsing buildings and gasoline tank bombs. Since then it's grown. He can stop mass amounts of bullets fired at him, dead-stop two speeding cars at the same time, etc. So a little wind shouldn't be that much of an issue, especially since he's faster than it.
@Dextersinister: Storm isn't quite a glass canon, she has defenses, and Terra's Earth really isn't a problem for her. She can deflect them with her winds and lightning. Terra doesn't really have much defense in terms of what Storm could dish.
They both have defenses but from the offset they have human durability and if Storm is blocking these attacks then she isn't attacking, Terra is capable of raising the Earth to block or better yet simply Earth diving to negate her attacks. They can both turn there shields into weapons with effort but it's much easier for Terra to do so by simply launching the Earth forward.
Actually I don't think she does outclass him in electrical power, not anymore. When Cyborg was taken over by Jericho; he set up a room specifically designed to contain Static and block his powers. Even with that Static still used his powers, blew up the room, and sent power all the way from San Fransico to New York; the amount of power being enough to blow up the Titans tower and electrocute Cyborg. That's pretty powerful all things considered.
More than that he's far more skilled in its use. I don't see what Storm can do if he gives her the opposite charge of the electricity she calls forth. It would be immediately attracted to her. He could also charge metal to be attracted to her charge; or just use his power to throw cars at her or wrap metal around her.
And he can absorb electricity sent at him, as we all redirect it. And while storm has some ability to do that; I don't see her having much success if Static floods the entire area with electrical discharges. Not to mention I don't think she can generate nearly enough power to try and overload him; considering he blacked out New York when he drained an entire power plant for one of his fights. As for the wind I don't see that causing much trouble at all. Even in his early days before he became more powerful, his EM fields were strong enough to defend against collapsing buildings and gasoline tank bombs. Since then it's grown. He can stop mass amounts of bullets fired at him, dead-stop two speeding cars at the same time, etc. So a little wind shouldn't be that much of an issue, especially since he's faster than it.
Yeah, I'm not trying to belittle these feats because they are awesome and powerful feats. Storm is simply in a whole other class in terms of raw power I'm afraid. She has shown that she can summon and control powerful amounts of electricity. Far more than a city. A single one of her bolts can have enough energy to power the whole world for an entire year. With Cyclops help, she powered an energy ring that was powerful enough to mimic the energy supplies given from a sun over an entire planet. She can convert energy from hurricanes into electricity, which have enough energy to power the world 200 times over. She has shown that she can channel all the electrical potential of a thunderstorm into a single bolt, which restored and had given Polaris enough power to rob an entire island of it's gravity to hurl it off into space.
I highly doubt his magnetic powers will be of much use against Storm's winds(which aren't little winds at all). She has strained out Magneto's powers alone with a single tornado, as well as powerful telekinetics, who have shown to pull off the very same feats that involve the ones you pointed out for his defenses. They are too powerful for him IMHO.
He may be more diverse in the use of his electrical abilities but Storm out powers him in terms of raw power and has overwhelmed many of her opponents who have proven to be highly resistant to her electrical abilities(Polaris for example, who has similar abilities). He also doesn't have much defense to the attacks that I have pointed out. Blizzards, flash freezes, hail stones, and powerful winds. All he has to work with is electricity while Storm could easily turn to another element for offense.
@Dextersinister said:
@Storm Calling said:
@Dextersinister: Storm isn't quite a glass canon, she has defenses, and Terra's Earth really isn't a problem for her. She can deflect them with her winds and lightning. Terra doesn't really have much defense in terms of what Storm could dish.
They both have defenses but from the offset they have human durability and if Storm is blocking these attacks then she isn't attacking, Terra is capable of raising the Earth to block or better yet simply Earth diving to negate her attacks. They can both turn there shields into weapons with effort but it's much easier for Terra to do so by simply launching the Earth forward.
Not while Storm's lightning and winds have been easily shown to punch through heavy amounts of earth and stone. Storm has powerful defenses, she's not just a glass canon, she can contain a small scale nuclear explosion in a pressure field, drill through mountains, level skyscrapers, and punch huge holes from the bottom of the sewers into an open street. Terra would easily get outpowered by Storm.
@Storm Calling: Terra has no known upper limit's, was capable of keeping a city afloat with little apparent effort as she carried about with other tasks, created volcano's, raw power is not an issue and unlike Storm those where recent feat's. Storm is an X-Man and her regular showing's are far below what you described, Terra hung out with Power Girl so had higher end feats as appropriate.
@Dextersinister: Storm isn't quite a glass canon, she has defenses, and Terra's Earth really isn't a problem for her. She can deflect them with her winds and lightning. Terra doesn't really have much defense in terms of what Storm could dish.
They both have defenses but from the offset they have human durability and if Storm is blocking these attacks then she isn't attacking, Terra is capable of raising the Earth to block or better yet simply Earth diving to negate her attacks. They can both turn there shields into weapons with effort but it's much easier for Terra to do so by simply launching the Earth forward.
Storm has created a dome of air pressure around herself and her teammates capable of punching through and deflect earth with no difficulty. What would stop her from doing the same here and unleashing concussive lighnting bolts to punch through terra's earth based shields? IIRC, she has created lightning that punched through both contrete and earth to blast a hole to get out of the underground morlock tunnels. Diving into the earth would be Terra's best defense but how will she be able to find Storm in the air to attack from underground?
I do think that all 3 of them together could likely win but they would have to work for it. Storm would definitely beat any of them solo, and especially Terra. And I have to take a quick look but I believe there is a VS thread for Storm vs each of these characters and she beat them in each one, so the arguments being made for the team are nothing new or have likely already been countered.
@rpottage said:
@Storm Calling said:
@rpottage said:
@Storm Calling said:
@rpottage said:
@Storm Calling said:
I didn't say think fast, I said he is fast. I mean yes, he can think fast; but that's because he's intelligent and knows a lot about science which he uses to his advantage.
As for how he beat her, basically he kicked her ass. His attacks were fast enough to hit her, she was able to dodge some but not all of them. He was too fast and too powerful. When she did get some room an managed to attack him she ended up shocking herself by hitting him. He finally ended it all when he sucked up all the surrounding electricity and unleased a final blast on her. His first two attacks in the fight destroyed half the ring, part of her costume, and her sword. He was just too fast and too strong for her, even with her precog abilities (which Clock King had used when he stomped the Teen Titans earlier).
How, exactly, do you think Storm is going to take him?
I see, just trying to figure out if Virgil's fast enough to take her out before she can blink or react(Which I am now doubting). That's the sort of speed I am trying to determine if he can use in this fight.
No, nothing like that. He's not Flash speed if that's what you mean. It's more his attacks which are almost all lightening speed. I think he's official speed is typically around 200 MPH when using his disk. His attacks are fast enough that Storm won't simply be able to avoid them, but in terms of his body it would be fast enough to probably over come her or dodge her attacks. He's about twice as fast as the average tornado wind speed.
Ah I see, that sums it up quite well for me then. Thanks for providing me all of the info, as I didn't want to jump in and speak against points that others were making without understanding what they were saying. I know a few things about Virgil myself but I haven't been following him for awhile now, so I wasn't sure if he'd advance to a degree that I would remember his skill/power level were.
Now we can actually get into some debating. lol
For his attacks, I think Storm outclasses him in overall raw power over the electrical element, considering she has been shown manipulating and controlling far more amounts of energy than Static has. Given that, I don't really see why Storm would need to dodge his attacks when she could easily deflect or redirect them. She's not immune to electricity, but she has shown that she can block or become immune to an electrical attack if she is prepared for it. She also may be able to overload him with electricity or use force bolts to knock him unconscious.
The winds is where he has a huge problem. He may can move at the speed that cyclones can circle, but in aoe-fasion he's going to have problems. Not only that, but Storm can get very direct with her attacks and mess with the pressure in his inner ear or his lungs. She can batter him with a combination of powerful winds and cold attacks, along with applying hail driven by her hurricane winds(Which can drive straw through brick).
Virgil may be able to come up with something that can bring her down if he had time, but I doubt Storm will give him the opportunity.
Actually I don't think she does outclass him in electrical power, not anymore. When Cyborg was taken over by Jericho; he set up a room specifically designed to contain Static and block his powers. Even with that Static still used his powers, blew up the room, and sent power all the way from San Fransico to New York; the amount of power being enough to blow up the Titans tower and electrocute Cyborg. That's pretty powerful all things considered.
More than that he's far more skilled in its use. I don't see what Storm can do if he gives her the opposite charge of the electricity she calls forth. It would be immediately attracted to her. He could also charge metal to be attracted to her charge; or just use his power to throw cars at her or wrap metal around her.
And he can absorb electricity sent at him, as we all redirect it. And while storm has some ability to do that; I don't see her having much success if Static floods the entire area with electrical discharges. Not to mention I don't think she can generate nearly enough power to try and overload him; considering he blacked out New York when he drained an entire power plant for one of his fights. As for the wind I don't see that causing much trouble at all. Even in his early days before he became more powerful, his EM fields were strong enough to defend against collapsing buildings and gasoline tank bombs. Since then it's grown. He can stop mass amounts of bullets fired at him, dead-stop two speeding cars at the same time, etc. So a little wind shouldn't be that much of an issue, especially since he's faster than it.
Static is powerful but I have not yet seen any feats for him that suggests he commands more electrical energy than Storm does. She has channeled the full electrical energy of a storm into a single bolt, and has tapped into the electrical potential energy of the planet to stop a hurricane that was near the size of a continent, and unleashed bolts powerful enough to hurt 100 tonner opponents. Blacking out a state is impressive, but not as impressive as boosting Polaris's magnetic powers to the point she was able to cut through miles of earth and toss an entire island off the planet. And she can not only counter his electrically based attacks, but has shown resistance to being hit by terrawatts of electrcity (hurt but not KO'd). when has statis unleashed electrical energy in the trillions of watts?
I agree that Static is more versatile with respect to him being a full on electrokinetic and can do more with his electricity and EM based powers, but over all raw power and versatility goes to Storm from what I have seen from Static thus far.
And Storm control over air and pressure gradients would definitely be a problem for Static. What could he do if she wrapped him in a tornado that simultaneously draws the oxygen from around him inside of his force field? He would need to anchor himself against the pull of the wind and keep himself from being shredded by the win and debri. Even Magneto had troublee on on occasion with this type of attack from Storm. And he wouldn't be able to concentrate if she manipulates the air pressure in his inner ear.
@Storm Calling: Terra has no known upper limit's, was capable of keeping a city afloat with little apparent effort as she carried about with other tasks, created volcano's, raw power is not an issue and unlike Storm those where recent feat's. Storm is an X-Man and her regular showing's are far below what you described, Terra hung out with Power Girl so had higher end feats as appropriate.
This isn't even a valid argument. The rest just indicates that you have no other reasonable arguments that would suggest that she could beat Storm. Time has nothing to do with it considering Storm's powers haven't exactly changed since her emergence... Raw power was never the issue, Storm simply has more applications that would outpower Terra's. Lightning or winds with enough precision could easily bring her down. Storm has flight as well, which largely makes Terra's powers ineffective at best.
@Storm Calling: Terra has no known upper limit's, was capable of keeping a city afloat with little apparent effort as she carried about with other tasks, created volcano's, raw power is not an issue and unlike Storm those where recent feat's. Storm is an X-Man and her regular showing's are far below what you described, Terra hung out with Power Girl so had higher end feats as appropriate.
Terra doesn't have anything that Storm could not defend against. Storm's lightning can one-shot her, she can be flash-frozen, she can be KO'd by a concentrated blast of hurricane or tornado force wind. And it doesn't matter with the feats being mentioned for Storm not being recent. Not being focused on in the last few years doesn't mean that these feats don't apply. And what relevance does mentioning Power Girl have here really? That's like stating that Storm hung out with Phoenix Jean Grey and therefore had higher end feats by association :-/.
Storm has created a dome of air pressure around herself and her teammates capable of punching through and deflect earth with no difficulty. What would stop her from doing the same here and unleashing concussive lighnting bolts to punch through terra's earth based shields? IIRC, she has created lightning that punched through both contrete and earth to blast a hole to get out of the underground morlock tunnels. Diving into the earth would be Terra's best defense but how will she be able to find Storm in the air to attack from underground?
I do think that all 3 of them together could likely win but they would have to work for it. Storm would definitely beat any of them solo, and especially Terra. And I have to take a quick look but I believe there is a VS thread for Storm vs each of these characters and she beat them in each one, so the arguments being made for the team are nothing new or have likely already been countered.
Static is powerful but I have not yet seen any feats for him that suggests he commands more electrical energy than Storm does. She has channeled the full electrical energy of a storm into a single bolt, and has tapped into the electrical potential energy of the planet to stop a hurricane that was near the size of a continent, and unleashed bolts powerful enough to hurt 100 tonner opponents. Blacking out a state is impressive, but not as impressive as boosting Polaris's magnetic powers to the point she was able to cut through miles of earth and toss an entire island off the planet. And she can not only counter his electrically based attacks, but has shown resistance to being hit by terrawatts of electrcity (hurt but not KO'd). when has statis unleashed electrical energy in the trillions of watts?
I agree that Static is more versatile with respect to him being a full on electrokinetic and can do more with his electricity and EM based powers, but over all raw power and versatility goes to Storm from what I have seen from Static thus far.
And Storm control over air and pressure gradients would definitely be a problem for Static. What could he do if she wrapped him in a tornado that simultaneously draws the oxygen from around him inside of his force field? He would need to anchor himself against the pull of the wind and keep himself from being shredded by the win and debri. Even Magneto had troublee on on occasion with this type of attack from Storm. And he wouldn't be able to concentrate if she manipulates the air pressure in his inner ear.
Great post!
The bolded is how I see this match as well, especially considering if they worked together they could find ways to overcome their weaknesses against Storm. Static for lightning, Aang for her winds and cold attacks and Terra for keeping Storm off balance. I just wanted to be clear that she would probably beat them one on one and this probably wouldn't be an easy win for them considering how powerful and skillful Storm is against opponents like these.
@Storm Calling: Terra has no known upper limit's, was capable of keeping a city afloat with little apparent effort as she carried about with other tasks, created volcano's, raw power is not an issue and unlike Storm those where recent feat's. Storm is an X-Man and her regular showing's are far below what you described, Terra hung out with Power Girl so had higher end feats as appropriate.
This isn't even a valid argument. The rest just indicates that you have no other reasonable arguments that would suggest that she could beat Storm. Time has nothing to do with it considering Storm's powers haven't exactly changed since her emergence... Raw power was never the issue, Storm simply has more applications that would outpower Terra's. Lightning or winds with enough precision could easily bring her down. Storm has flight as well, which largely makes Terra's powers ineffective at best.
My point was that we base a character off regular and consistent showing's not select picks from a respect thread. Storm being an X-Man means that she normally works at a lower level than that of Power Girl and Terra. The X-Men comics are the only comics I keep up to date with so I am well aware of her capabilities and they are rarely ever on the level that you are trying to portray them. Also the most recent DC Terra was this character pre-52 just in case you think I am referring to the old Titan one.
@Storm Calling: Terra has no known upper limit's, was capable of keeping a city afloat with little apparent effort as she carried about with other tasks, created volcano's, raw power is not an issue and unlike Storm those where recent feat's. Storm is an X-Man and her regular showing's are far below what you described, Terra hung out with Power Girl so had higher end feats as appropriate.
This isn't even a valid argument. The rest just indicates that you have no other reasonable arguments that would suggest that she could beat Storm. Time has nothing to do with it considering Storm's powers haven't exactly changed since her emergence... Raw power was never the issue, Storm simply has more applications that would outpower Terra's. Lightning or winds with enough precision could easily bring her down. Storm has flight as well, which largely makes Terra's powers ineffective at best.
My point was that we base a character off regular and consistent showing's not select picks from a respect thread. Storm being an X-Man means that she normally works at a lower level than that of Power Girl and Terra. The X-Men comics are the only comics I keep up to date with so I am well aware of her capabilities and they are rarely ever on the level that you are trying to portray them. Also the most recent DC Terra was this character pre-52 just in case you think I am referring to the old Titan one.
Yes, considering she holds back alot and has teammates to worry about. That has also been established in canon. And the showings I pointed out are in FACT consistent showings of her powers. That is largely what the respect thread(which I helped build) is based on.
Storm being an X-man is irrelevant, are you forgetting that the X-men have characters like the Phoenix, Cable, Iceman, Magneto on them? You do not have to be lowtier to be an X-men.
@Storm Calling: Terra has no known upper limit's, was capable of keeping a city afloat with little apparent effort as she carried about with other tasks, created volcano's, raw power is not an issue and unlike Storm those where recent feat's. Storm is an X-Man and her regular showing's are far below what you described, Terra hung out with Power Girl so had higher end feats as appropriate.
This isn't even a valid argument. The rest just indicates that you have no other reasonable arguments that would suggest that she could beat Storm. Time has nothing to do with it considering Storm's powers haven't exactly changed since her emergence... Raw power was never the issue, Storm simply has more applications that would outpower Terra's. Lightning or winds with enough precision could easily bring her down. Storm has flight as well, which largely makes Terra's powers ineffective at best.
My point was that we base a character off regular and consistent showing's not select picks from a respect thread. Storm being an X-Man means that she normally works at a lower level than that of Power Girl and Terra. The X-Men comics are the only comics I keep up to date with so I am well aware of her capabilities and they are rarely ever on the level that you are trying to portray them. Also the most recent DC Terra was this character pre-52 just in case you think I am referring to the old Titan one.
That's not true though. She has had multiple high-end (including planetary) level power feats WHEN the situation calls for it. She doesn't NEED to pull high end feats off every other issue to prove that she can do it or that she can command raw power of that level. If you have Storm's appearances in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's (even Worlds Apart from 2009), you will see that she has consistent high end feats on large scales consistently enough.
@Storm Calling: Thanks :-). And agreed. Battles have already been done for Storm vs all 3 of them individually and she won in each thread. I think she is more powerful than them individually and has the versatility and combat prowess to beat them. What you mentioned about them attacking all together and overcoming their vulnerabilities to her powers (mainly Aang and Static) is what I see happening with respect to Storm getting overwhelmed after a good fight.
@Storm Calling: Phoenix is a major factor in Jean's long term death (combined with crazy fan's) she was to powerful to keep around, Cable is constantly depowered so is effectively just a badass normal with a gun, Iceman will never ever realize that potential they keep harping on about, people pointed out that Magneto was portrayed as a lot weaker when he joined the X-Men and now he has been depowered for real. X-Men is a team book so they will rotate the moment's of awesome but they do cap the regular's except for Magik but you would need to have a pipe sticking out of your head to not realize that she's being set up as a big bad.
@Storm Calling: Phoenix is a major factor in Jean's long term death (combined with crazy fan's) she was to powerful to keep around, Cable is constantly depowered so is effectively just a badass normal with a gun, Iceman will never ever realize that potential they keep harping on about, people pointed out that Magneto was portrayed as a lot weaker when he joined the X-Men and now he has been depowered for real. X-Men is a team book so they will rotate the moment's of awesome but they do cap the regular's except for Magik but you would need to have a pipe sticking out of your head to not realize that she's being set up as a big bad.
And I just described the cap to you. Case made, problem solved.
That's not true though. She has had multiple high-end (including planetary) level power feats WHEN the situation calls for it. She doesn't NEED to pull high end feats off every other issue to prove that she can do it or that she can command raw power of that level. If you have Storm's appearances in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's (even Worlds Apart from 2009), you will see that she has consistent high end feats on large scales consistently enough.
Precisely. Excellent info!
@Storm Calling: Thanks :-). And agreed. Battles have already been done for Storm vs all 3 of them individually and she won in each thread. I think she is more powerful than them individually and has the versatility and combat prowess to beat them. What you mentioned about them attacking all together and overcoming their vulnerabilities to her powers (mainly Aang and Static) is what I see happening with respect to Storm getting overwhelmed after a good fight.
Yes, and I hope that clears up my stance on the battle.
@Storm Calling: A dude with a gun, Magneto who has trouble lifting car's but is sweet with flinging skate board's, Bobby who has some pretty bad loses, this is the Cap? Jean not factoring in as she was removed for being overpowered.
I'm not low balling because I admit this is not how she normally acts but she is literally running into battle but can you see where I'm coming from on the high end moments being balanced out.
@Storm Calling: A dude with a gun, Magneto who has trouble lifting car's but is sweet with flinging skate board's, Bobby who has some pretty bad loses, this is the Cap? Jean not factoring in as she was removed for being overpowered.
I'm not low balling because I admit this is not how she normally acts but she is literally running into battle but can you see where I'm coming from on the high end moments being balanced out.
Not sure what the scan was for, but I was saying that I described Storm's cap to you already. Which is that her powers can have an affect on her teammates and the ecosystem. As well as her immediate environment. There are rules that she has set in place, and she doesn't overstep them often, but she can and has when the situation has called for it.
That's not true though. She has had multiple high-end (including planetary) level power feats WHEN the situation calls for it. She doesn't NEED to pull high end feats off every other issue to prove that she can do it or that she can command raw power of that level. If you have Storm's appearances in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's (even Worlds Apart from 2009), you will see that she has consistent high end feats on large scales consistently enough.
Precisely. Excellent info!
@Storm Calling: Thanks :-). And agreed. Battles have already been done for Storm vs all 3 of them individually and she won in each thread. I think she is more powerful than them individually and has the versatility and combat prowess to beat them. What you mentioned about them attacking all together and overcoming their vulnerabilities to her powers (mainly Aang and Static) is what I see happening with respect to Storm getting overwhelmed after a good fight.
Yes, and I hope that clears up my stance on the battle.
Thanks. I don't see where the argument for Storm not pulling off more high end feats (I guess she needs to do this every issue or something :-/) to prove she commands that level of power when Terra is not that big a threat with Storm's powerset, and I have yet to see a comparable feat from her to support her being as powerful as Storm. Planetary elemental cosmic turbulence, containing the explosive energy of a baby nuke (with difficulty), disbursing a hemsphere sized storm, or redirecting an EM energy blast that could threaten to split the planet with an electrically charged wind tunnel, etc. >>>Lifting a city or creating a small volcano.
@Storm Calling: A dude with a gun, Magneto who has trouble lifting car's but is sweet with flinging skate board's, Bobby who has some pretty bad loses, this is the Cap? Jean not factoring in as she was removed for being overpowered.
I'm not low balling because I admit this is not how she normally acts but she is literally running into battle but can you see where I'm coming from on the high end moments being balanced out.
Not sure what the scan was for, but I was saying that I described Storm's cap to you already. Which is that her powers can have an affect on her teammates and the ecosystem. As well as her immediate environment. There are rules that she has set in place, and she doesn't overstep them often, but she can and has when the situation has called for it.
You pointed out abilities that she hasn't used in years, abilities that would have been useful in battle's the last decade when they where called for but she never brought fourth, being in a team book mean's that her defenses have been breached often by characters weaker than Terra because character's in a team book are allowed to be taken down often because they have others to pick up the slack.
My main point was that you could make a case for any one of the main 3, base Storm has human durability just like Terra, her defenses require action on her part much like Terra, she has a lot of raw power so does Terra, she flies so does Terra but Terra can also launch attacks from beneath the Earth where she originally lived and Storm cannot touch her.
@Storm Calling: A dude with a gun, Magneto who has trouble lifting car's but is sweet with flinging skate board's, Bobby who has some pretty bad loses, this is the Cap? Jean not factoring in as she was removed for being overpowered.
I'm not low balling because I admit this is not how she normally acts but she is literally running into battle but can you see where I'm coming from on the high end moments being balanced out.
Not sure what the scan was for, but I was saying that I described Storm's cap to you already. Which is that her powers can have an affect on her teammates and the ecosystem. As well as her immediate environment. There are rules that she has set in place, and she doesn't overstep them often, but she can and has when the situation has called for it.
You pointed out abilities that she hasn't used in years, abilities that would have been useful in battle's the last decade when they where called for but she never brought fourth, being in a team book mean's that her defenses have been breached often by characters weaker than Terra because character's in a team book are allowed to be taken down often because they have others to pick up the slack.
My main point was that you could make a case for any one of the main 3, base Storm has human durability just like Terra, her defenses require action on her part much like Terra, she has a lot of raw power so does Terra, she flies so does Terra but Terra can also launch attacks from beneath the Earth where she originally lived and Storm cannot touch her.
You say that they pointed out abilities that she has not used in years, but remember over the years there has been many different writers to take over X-men. each using Storm in a different way. *DoomWar is a great example of Storms power I loved her there.* an each bringing something new. The thing is that if she has used it once whats stopping her from doing it again if she needed to. Just because writers dont make her use these powers every issue doesnt mean she cant still use them. If anything she should be able to use any power she has shown in her later years with much more control an power.
Also every one keeps talking about how Storm will can use her Wind or Lightning She has many other powers an ways of using Wind an Lighnting that just full on raw power. *Just to note Storms full on raw power would destroy them.*
Also Terra might control the Earth but Storm controls the Skies an the earth is not winning against the Sky
@Storm Calling: A dude with a gun, Magneto who has trouble lifting car's but is sweet with flinging skate board's, Bobby who has some pretty bad loses, this is the Cap? Jean not factoring in as she was removed for being overpowered.
I'm not low balling because I admit this is not how she normally acts but she is literally running into battle but can you see where I'm coming from on the high end moments being balanced out.
Not sure what the scan was for, but I was saying that I described Storm's cap to you already. Which is that her powers can have an affect on her teammates and the ecosystem. As well as her immediate environment. There are rules that she has set in place, and she doesn't overstep them often, but she can and has when the situation has called for it.
You pointed out abilities that she hasn't used in years, abilities that would have been useful in battle's the last decade when they where called for but she never brought fourth, being in a team book mean's that her defenses have been breached often by characters weaker than Terra because character's in a team book are allowed to be taken down often because they have others to pick up the slack.
My main point was that you could make a case for any one of the main 3, base Storm has human durability just like Terra, her defenses require action on her part much like Terra, she has a lot of raw power so does Terra, she flies so does Terra but Terra can also launch attacks from beneath the Earth where she originally lived and Storm cannot touch her.
This has never been a valid argument, nor will it ever be a valid argument. She's done it, and that's literally all that matters. She's gone on periods where she hasn't generated a self-contained hurricane at max power, but she's definitely done that in recent years.
If Terra is underground how does she find Storm while she is in the air for her attacks from beneath the earth to even be effective (even though technically Storm can sense shifts within the earth)? Her going beneath ground doesn't help her in this fight if she can't attack Storm while she is airborne, which she will be. How would she be useful in an offensive capacity without risking hitting Static or Aang if she is launching attacks blindly into the air?
2) Pointing out Storm not using the high-end feats being mentioned here (as if she controls what writers put on paper) is IRRELEVANT. She can do them when she NEEDS to, and has performed them enough to establish the level of power she can command as needed, so the there is no argument there.
3) I don't know how this became Storm vs Terra when we have a thread like that already (and Terra lost). Storm has the powerset to counter Terra's attacks, her lightning is faster than any earth projectile Terra has, let alone if Storm opted to thunderclap Terra or flash- freeze her, etc, and I doubt Terra has the reaction time to counter lightning or foresee what Storm is about to do before it's done.
I agree that the team wins here but it is the numbers and versatility in their powerset that garners it. 1-on-1 I think Storm would beat them.
@Storm Calling: A dude with a gun, Magneto who has trouble lifting car's but is sweet with flinging skate board's, Bobby who has some pretty bad loses, this is the Cap? Jean not factoring in as she was removed for being overpowered.
I'm not low balling because I admit this is not how she normally acts but she is literally running into battle but can you see where I'm coming from on the high end moments being balanced out.
Not sure what the scan was for, but I was saying that I described Storm's cap to you already. Which is that her powers can have an affect on her teammates and the ecosystem. As well as her immediate environment. There are rules that she has set in place, and she doesn't overstep them often, but she can and has when the situation has called for it.
You pointed out abilities that she hasn't used in years, abilities that would have been useful in battle's the last decade when they where called for but she never brought fourth, being in a team book mean's that her defenses have been breached often by characters weaker than Terra because character's in a team book are allowed to be taken down often because they have others to pick up the slack.
My main point was that you could make a case for any one of the main 3, base Storm has human durability just like Terra, her defenses require action on her part much like Terra, she has a lot of raw power so does Terra, she flies so does Terra but Terra can also launch attacks from beneath the Earth where she originally lived and Storm cannot touch her.
First it's consistency now it's the fact that she hasn't used it in years? She doesn't have to show that she can do it in every issue to prove that she can do it. If she's done it consistently then that is really all that matters here; and the ones I've pointed out have been consistent with the amount power and precision that she has demonstrated. As far as I'm concerned this debate is long over. The scans are still feasible and Storm can in fact use them in this fight.
@White Mage: It has been a valid argument, it's why we have classic or current version's of certain character's or why people list all feats, most of Storm's best feats are her oldest for a reason. Hurricane's that can bring down a Sentinel, lightning bolt's or gale wind's are all fine but containing a nuclear blast, space weather and other ass pull feats that you will never see from Storm ever again are what makes it reasonable to say the character simply can't do that.
We have classic or current versions of characters when there are SIGNIFICANT changes with the character (as in redefines the characters in fundamental ways). That has nothing to do with how consistently a character uses certain abilities or how powerful they are. I can understand PIS/CIS/WIS showings but that isn't being used here. Storm is in a team book on one of the largest rosters in Marvel, so it isn't that surprising that she is subject to the interest of writers and will have periods where she will not be fully leveraged in a book. That has been the case for decades and why we have multiple x-titles to give some focus to popular x-character.
That doesn't help build an argument for Storm not being as powerful as she always has been (save for the period she went powerless).
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