STORM vs PHOTON

" I'm going to have to go for storm the weather witch  on this one but i know the basic's info on photon  but I'm still sideing  with storm 100%. "

I think HouseofScarletWitch sides with Storm on the basis she likes Storm but acknowledges that Photon wins this one. 

" I'm siding with storm ( 100%) but we all must face the fact and the fact is photon will most likely win this . "

" Lol thank you as much as i like storm , scarlet witch and others i still must face the facts always. "

" @HOUSEOFSCARLETWITCH said:

" Lol thank you as much as i like storm , scarlet witch and others i still must face the facts always. "

That is the way debating is supposed to go....but thanks to the certain fanboy's here their character is invincible, even though evidence was presented that that is not the case. "

"There was an instance of Monica becoming neutrinos and Storm was unable to sense her or hear her. Could help a lot here.
 

Also, Monica moves so fast that everyone else appeared to be frozen in place. I don't see how Storm can deal with someone that fast.
 

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"@Stormcell said:

Storm can access her powers with less than a conscious thought. A writer can go either way with these two. They can use this aspect of Storm to have her able to attack a speed-of-light character despite their speed or they may just have Photon take Storm out of the fight before she can access her powers. The "less-than-a-conscious" thought thing is a very flexible speed that can be used to have Storm able to access her powers at whatever speed a writer needs to her to act for the sake of the story.

Exaggerating much? Attacking with less-than-conscious thought just means that she's attacking without thinking about it. It doesn't really have anything to do with speed, in general. It's nothing but attacking on instinct."

I take it as Storm is so attuned to the life force of the planet that it can carry out her desire before her conscious mind can catch up to it. 

" @rbysjti: All of Photon's abilities are directly linked to her ability to channel electromagnetic radiation. Storm can't detect all of the EM spectrum.  "

Photon won already.

I take it as Storm is so attuned to the life force of the planet that it can carry out her desire before her conscious mind can catch up to it.

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@Stormcell said:

I take it as Storm is so attuned to the life force of the planet that it can carry out her desire before her conscious mind can catch up to it.

Sounds like attacking on instinct then. It doesn't mean she can tag someone who moves at light speed. "

"@Stormcell: Then, prove that she can sense neutrinos, and I'll concede. Pretty sure that if she had her powers, I doubt that she wouldn't be able to sense a fundamental particle that doesn't have an electric charge and isn't affected by electromagnetism. 

@Stormcell

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I take it as Storm is so attuned to the life force of the planet that it can carry out her desire before her conscious mind can catch up to it.

Sounds like attacking on instinct then. It doesn't mean she can tag someone who moves at light speed. "

That's not how Storm's powers work. You seem to think that Storm can only sense energies that she can control. Ororo can sense energy in her environment, period. She has an empathic oneness with the world. The woman can even detect an evil presence in an area (a power that is rarely touched up on) and detect the life within all living things.

 
Also, You misunderstand me. My arguement for Storm beating Photon is not based on Storm throwing attacks at her. She doesn't have to "tag" Photon with any attack. My argument is for Storm to take direct control over Photon's energy form. Sure, Photon can contest Storm's control, but Storm should win out because she's more powerful and stronger-willed.

" @Lance Uppercut: LOL. "

Also, You misunderstand me. My arguement for Storm beating Photon is not based on Storm throwing attacks at her. She doesn't have to "tag" Photon with any attack. My argument is for Storm to take direct control over Photon's energy form. Sure, Photon can contest Storm's control, but Storm should win out because she's more powerful and stronger-willed.

" @Stormcell said:  

Also, You misunderstand me. My arguement for Storm beating Photon is not based on Storm throwing attacks at her. She doesn't have to "tag" Photon with any attack. My argument is for Storm to take direct control over Photon's energy form. Sure, Photon can contest Storm's control, but Storm should win out because she's more powerful and stronger-willed.

Storm has never demonstrated the ability to take control of the electromagnetic spectrum.  "

"Oh, and Storm was powerless in that scan with Photon that you brought up. "

Monica is apparently limited by the amount of time that she can remain in her energy-form. She can apparently only transform herself into one wavelength of energy at a time, but she can transform between one energy-state and another in a fraction of a second. As noted above, the amount of energy she can transmit through her body at a given time is not known. Extensive energy transformation and manipulation can be physically taxing once she re-assumes her physical form. Monica can also be forcibly reverted back to her original from by other forces as shown when she tried to examine an underwater cocoon which held the dormant Jean Grey, who transformed her back as a form of defense.

"That's not how Storm's powers work. You seem to think that Storm can only sense energies that she can control. Ororo can sense energy in her environment, period. She has an empathic oneness with the world. The woman can even detect an evil presence in an area (a power that is rarely touched up on) and detect the life within all living things.

"Also, You misunderstand me. My arguement for Storm beating Photon is not based on Storm throwing attacks at her. She doesn't have to "tag" Photon with any attack. My argument is for Storm to take direct control over Photon's energy form. Sure, Photon can contest Storm's control, but Storm should win out because she's more powerful and stronger-willed."

@Stormcell

" Oh, and Storm was powerless in that scan with Photon that you brought up. "

" Storm doesn't have the speed to take Monica.Whatever she can do to Monica is provided that Monica let's it happen and since she won't Storm is done. "

" @Stormcell said:

"Oh, and Storm was powerless in that scan with Photon that you brought up. "

That's great to know.",) So if Storm only had her powers, surely Storm will be able to sense Photon. I really storm controlling Photon in energy form, disperse it like what she did to Stardust, or put her back to human form. 
  

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" That's great to know.",) So if Storm only had her powers, surely Storm will be able to sense Photon. I really storm controlling Photon in energy form, disperse it like what she did to Stardust, or put her back to human form. 

Prove Storm can sense neutrinos when they don't even have an electric charge. I'll wait. I don't really care if Storm was powerless. Also, I don't know why you keep saying Storm could put her back into human form. Only Jean Grey could do that. Stop comparing Storm to Jean. They have different powers. "

" Oh, yes she has. She controlled gamma rays on a global scale. She's taken control over Magneto's energies. She controls electricity. She's even controlled the solar wind which carries within it the full range of the EM spectrum.  She has demonstrated sub-atomic level control over energy as well. She can control energy down to its electrons. Stardust is a Herald of Galactus composed of energy and Storm was able to dissipate him with her control over electrons. Photon is much weaker than Stardust and she doesn't have the feats of raw power to compete with Storm. Ororo Munroe has more than enough raw power to take out Photon IF she can get around the speed. There are arguments for both women when it comes to the speed thing. "

is a particle of weak nuclear force. It's not energy.  "

" @Stormcell: First of all, the only energy that is dependent on electrons is electricity. Light energy is dependent of photons. Nuclear energy is dependent on a nucleus. Chemical energy is dependent on atomic interactions, and so on. Second of all, there are not arguments that could be made for both on speed. Photon takes speed, hands down. Storm doesn't nearly have enough speed to take this. Third, since when is solar wind part of the electromagnetic spectrum? All solar winds are is a stream of photons and electrons. You mixed it up. Solar radiation is the full range of the EM spectrum not solar winds. Fourth, gamma radiation is only one part of the electromagnetic spectrum. When has Storm ever controlled infrared radiation? Or x-rays? Microwaves? Radio waves? Storm does not have a connection to the EM spectrum. Photon does. In fact, Photon could control Storm's electrical abilities. Photon wins.  "

" @rbysjti said:

" That's great to know.",) So if Storm only had her powers, surely Storm will be able to sense Photon. I really storm controlling Photon in energy form, disperse it like what she did to Stardust, or put her back to human form. 

Prove Storm can sense neutrinos when they don't even have an electric charge. I'll wait. I don't really care if Storm was powerless. Also, I don't know why you keep saying Storm could put her back into human form. Only Jean Grey could do that. Stop comparing Storm to Jean. They have different powers."

Here we go again. I'm going to have to explain this in a very long post as to why PHOTON WILL WIN. Okay, first, lets start with the speed factor. Photon has this nailed. She can move at light speed. That's more than fast enough for her to fly in for a killing attack against Storm. As I have to repeatedly point out, Storm does not have superhuman reflexes. She dodged Cyclops optic blast. So what? It's said to be light speed, but a lot of X-Men characters have avoided it. SpiderMan has dodged it, but he doesn't have ftl reflexes. He can dodge bullets but not light. SpiderMan's reflexes>>>>>>>>Storm's reflexes (which aren't even peak human). Storm does not have superhuman reflexes. Rbysjti keeps saying (falsely) that Storm can notice other's movements through the air. Even if she can do that effectively, she still has to be able to dodge it, and, as I said, she does not have increased reflexes. Photon flies in at lightspeed and destroys Storm with her massive energy attacks. Now, even if Photon didn't use her speed, she can still demolish Storm with her energy blasts. Storm wouldn't be able to do anything about it. Air pressure can't affect radiation. Storm also won't be able to use her lightning attacks as Photon can just control it or absorb it. That's useless. Storm can't freeze her either. With the amount of radiation Photon can make herself become, she could easily melt ice and shrug off cold temperatures. Not to mention, as others have pointed out, you can't freeze energy. Photon can also become intangible. Storm won't be able to touch her, and if she did, she'd die from the heat, radiation, and raw electrical energy output. Wind bursts won't be able to push around energy from the electromagnetic spectrum either. Photon can win by an energy attack. Plain and simple. Besides, Photon could win just by being near Storm, as again, Storm can't survive that much radiation. Storm can't touch electromagnetic energy or radiation. Photon wins in a bloody (literally) curbstomp.     

Well,  even man can detect neutrinos.  Storm doesn't need to purchase a neutrino detector since she has control on the elements and her ability to see the world as patterns of energies.  - She did it to Voght, so i'll just say it's a possibility just to make  you consider it. ",)   "

Plus neutrinos are everywhere. How will Storm differentiate between the regular neutrinos and Photon as neutrinos? Storm can't manipulate energy on that scale, Photon can become any energy. What will Storm do against a regular beam of light? Has Storm ever just been sitting in a room and stopped light completely? Hell no.

" Plus neutrinos are everywhere. How will Storm differentiate between the regular neutrinos and Photon as neutrinos? Storm can't manipulate energy on that scale, Photon can become any energy. What will Storm do against a regular beam of light? Has Storm ever just been sitting in a room and stopped light completely? Hell no. "

uhmm i know photon can turn to energy but can storm control energy THAT IS NOT WITHIN HER POWER RANGE ahh no she cant she can only control energies that are related to her powers..............
 
uhmmmmm i stil;l dont know who is the winner is storm fast enough???? and is photon powerful enough???????

" @rbysjti said:

" That's great to know.",) So if Storm only had her powers, surely Storm will be able to sense Photon. I really storm controlling Photon in energy form, disperse it like what she did to Stardust, or put her back to human form. 

Prove Storm can sense neutrinos when they don't even have an electric charge. I'll wait. I don't really care if Storm was powerless. Also, I don't know why you keep saying Storm could put her back into human form. Only Jean Grey could do that. Stop comparing Storm to Jean. They have different powers."

" @Stormcell: First of all, the only energy that is dependent on electrons is electricity. Light energy is dependent of photons. Nuclear energy is dependent on a nucleus. Chemical energy is dependent on atomic interactions, and so on. Second of all, there are not arguments that could be made for both on speed. Photon takes speed, hands down. Storm doesn't nearly have enough speed to take this. Third, since when is solar wind part of the electromagnetic spectrum? All solar winds are is a stream of photons and electrons. You mixed it up. Solar radiation is the full range of the EM spectrum not solar winds. Fourth, gamma radiation is only one part of the electromagnetic spectrum. When has Storm ever controlled infrared radiation? Or x-rays? Microwaves? Radio waves? Storm does not have a connection to the EM spectrum. Photon does. In fact, Photon could control Storm's electrical abilities. Photon wins.  "

Photon on this one, she is light speed and can turn to light energy

Storm can detect movement, distortions and energy in her environment. The nutrinos are an energy moving through the environment which means Storm can sense it.  Its going to leave an energy trail in the environment and its going to interact with the other forces present.You are giving a limitation to Storm's power that has nothing to do with canon. NEVER has canon stated that Storm can only detect the energies in her environment that she can control or related to her powers. Heck, telepathy and telekinesis are composed of psions. Storm was able to sense that Madelyne Prior's mystically enhanced TK field was hundreds of times stronger than Jean's just by being close to it. 

" @PrinceIMC said:

" Plus neutrinos are everywhere. How will Storm differentiate between the regular neutrinos and Photon as neutrinos? Storm can't manipulate energy on that scale, Photon can become any energy. What will Storm do against a regular beam of light? Has Storm ever just been sitting in a room and stopped light completely? Hell no. "

There will always be a difference.",)   Turning into energy isn't really a good idea cos that would be Storm summoning the energies/elements around her. "

" @rbysjti said:

" @PrinceIMC said:

" Plus neutrinos are everywhere. How will Storm differentiate between the regular neutrinos and Photon as neutrinos? Storm can't manipulate energy on that scale, Photon can become any energy. What will Storm do against a regular beam of light? Has Storm ever just been sitting in a room and stopped light completely? Hell no. "

There will always be a difference.",)   Turning into energy isn't really a good idea cos that would be Storm summoning the energies/elements around her. "

Again you have no idea what Photon does. When she turns into neutrinos she's just like every neutrino, no difference. When she turns into light she's just like the light that is everywhere that allows us to see. "

"@PrinceIMC said:

" @rbysjti said:

" @PrinceIMC said:

" Plus neutrinos are everywhere. How will Storm differentiate between the regular neutrinos and Photon as neutrinos? Storm can't manipulate energy on that scale, Photon can become any energy. What will Storm do against a regular beam of light? Has Storm ever just been sitting in a room and stopped light completely? Hell no. "

There will always be a difference.",)   Turning into energy isn't really a good idea cos that would be Storm summoning the energies/elements around her. "

Again you have no idea what Photon does. When she turns into neutrinos she's just like every neutrino, no difference. When she turns into light she's just like the light that is everywhere that allows us to see. "

Storm can detect the life force within living things. Photon, in any energy form, is still a living being. Ororo can detect the life force within stars, planets, plants and living creatures. "

" @Stormcell: But not in neutrinos. "