@HyperViper Well, they had Cage hanging against Namor underwater in AvX. So I could make an argument for PIS with Storm hanging against Panther too. If we accept it as fact, then we must also accept Cyclops holding his own with Logan. (which many would say is PIS)
@HyperViper Well, they had Cage hanging against Namor underwater in AvX. So I could make an argument for PIS with Storm hanging against Panther too. If we accept it as fact, then we must also accept Cyclops holding his own with Logan. (which many would say is PIS)
Storm hanging with BP in H2H is PIS. But storm has many other H2H feats that put her above Cyke in my opinion. Forge shot Storm with a gun that took away her powers back in the day and storm beat super powered people in H2H including bricks and speedsters. She also kinda beat Cyke in H2H when Cyke had powers and she did not. More recently when she was married to Tchalla she beat some Wakandian warriors. it's not much but it's enough to give Storm the win until someone post H2H feats for Cyke.
@HyperViper Well, they had Cage hanging against Namor underwater in AvX. So I could make an argument for PIS with Storm hanging against Panther too. If we accept it as fact, then we must also accept Cyclops holding his own with Logan. (which many would say is PIS)
Storm hanging with BP in H2H is PIS. But storm has many other H2H feats that put her above Cyke in my opinion. Forge shot Storm with a gun that took away her powers back in the day and storm beat super powered people in H2H including bricks and speedsters. She also kinda beat Cyke in H2H when Cyke had powers and she did not. More recently when she was married to Tchalla she beat some Wakandian warriors. it's not much but it's enough to give Storm the win until someone post H2H feats for Cyke.
@HyperViper Well, they had Cage hanging against Namor underwater in AvX. So I could make an argument for PIS with Storm hanging against Panther too. If we accept it as fact, then we must also accept Cyclops holding his own with Logan. (which many would say is PIS)
Storm hanging with BP in H2H is PIS. But storm has many other H2H feats that put her above Cyke in my opinion. Forge shot Storm with a gun that took away her powers back in the day and storm beat super powered people in H2H including bricks and speedsters. She also kinda beat Cyke in H2H when Cyke had powers and she did not. More recently when she was married to Tchalla she beat some Wakandian warriors. it's not much but it's enough to give Storm the win until someone post H2H feats for Cyke.
This.
This and Storm already beat Cyclops before in h2h to decide the leader of the X-men
@HyperViper Well, they had Cage hanging against Namor underwater in AvX. So I could make an argument for PIS with Storm hanging against Panther too. If we accept it as fact, then we must also accept Cyclops holding his own with Logan. (which many would say is PIS)
Storm hanging with BP in H2H is PIS. But storm has many other H2H feats that put her above Cyke in my opinion. Forge shot Storm with a gun that took away her powers back in the day and storm beat super powered people in H2H including bricks and speedsters. She also kinda beat Cyke in H2H when Cyke had powers and she did not. More recently when she was married to Tchalla she beat some Wakandian warriors. it's not much but it's enough to give Storm the win until someone post H2H feats for Cyke.
@HyperViper Well, they had Cage hanging against Namor underwater in AvX. So I could make an argument for PIS with Storm hanging against Panther too. If we accept it as fact, then we must also accept Cyclops holding his own with Logan. (which many would say is PIS)
Storm hanging with BP in H2H is PIS. But storm has many other H2H feats that put her above Cyke in my opinion. Forge shot Storm with a gun that took away her powers back in the day and storm beat super powered people in H2H including bricks and speedsters. She also kinda beat Cyke in H2H when Cyke had powers and she did not. More recently when she was married to Tchalla she beat some Wakandian warriors. it's not much but it's enough to give Storm the win until someone post H2H feats for Cyke.
This.
This and Storm already beat Cyclops before in h2h to decide the leader of the X-men
Incorrect all she managed to do was take off his visor forcing him to withdraw from the match for fear of killing someone with no powers or if he did have powers with his updated visor that wouldn't be an issue, it was also mentioned that he didn't actually want to be there he wanted to go to his wife and child.
Cyke should easily take this, he trains more than most X-Men, his personality actually matches up with one that is good in utilizing modern h2h techniques and he has the obvious weight advantage.
Storm still won with better tactics, ingenuity and agility and if he had no interest to be there why fight?
also
How does ones personality match up with one that is good in utilising modern h2h techniques?
Storm wins, she won before she'd win again
This. Cyke knew storm didn't have powers and he still tried to blast Storm. Its not that he didn't want to be there, he was conflicted as to whether he should be leader. Nevertheless, he showed up and fought. He still had powers and still didn't defeat her. Who he trained and his personality have little to do with this. Does he have any H2H feats?
Storm still won with better tactics, ingenuity and agility and if he had no interest to be there why fight?
also
How does ones personality match up with one that is good in utilising modern h2h techniques?
Storm wins, she won before she'd win again
He was obligated, he was the leader and Storm was the only one to take to offer to take the reigns.
He's a methodical thinker with a highly developed sense of spacial awareness, technique is an incredibly important part of of modern fighting.
Storm has never actually beaten him in h2h no matter how much you wish it where true. Unless you have something better to add like some decent h2h scans Cyclop's take this with ease as he simply has much better h2h feats, he has gone at it with Wolverine on multiple occasions with no clear winner when Wolverine has had a much easier time flooring members of the Avengers, taking out a prison gang in consequences, a gang when when blind and is the teacher of most of the senior X-men in h2h. He has vastly more experience and training as he started at a much younger age.
I'll get to this and the out of context stuff later.
I am aware that the X-Men are being controlled but it's still better than the basic beating nobodies that Storm has.
not only are they mind controlled but he is using his powers the entire time. Where are his showing with NO POWERS?
I used it because it has some nice little mentions of how he utilizes his h2h abilities bar Wolverine and Nightcrawler everything else in that scan still counts which he does on top of using his powers so don't nitpick, not the greatest scan as it's dirt old and it's a terribly outdated writing style. I actually wanted the one where the Cuckoo's are reading his mind as he thinks out Sherlock Holmes style on how he will take down 2 dinosaurs in the danger room.
Considering Cyclops was using his powers and against a team he knows the ins and outs of like the back of his hand are almost pointless. He knew their movies before they did for the most part and as for him "handling" Wolverine in h2h in the fight, it was important to point out Logan was in a severe funk ( I think from Proteus or something, can't remember) and under performing around that period of time.
As far as the Schism fight goes, almost similar in that Logan was underperforming (holding back a lot in that fight) and Cyclops was still using his powers for the most part.
None of Cyclops' h2h feats really put him over Storm.
Storm still won with better tactics, ingenuity and agility and if he had no interest to be there why fight?
also
How does ones personality match up with one that is good in utilising modern h2h techniques?
Storm wins, she won before she'd win again
He was obligated, he was the leader and Storm was the only one to take to offer to take the reigns.
He's a methodical thinker with a highly developed sense of spacial awareness, technique is an incredibly important part of of modern fighting.
Storm has never actually beaten him in h2h no matter how much you wish it where true. Unless you have something better to add like some decent h2h scans Cyclop's take this with ease as he simply has much better h2h feats, he has gone at it with Wolverine on multiple occasions with no clear winner when Wolverine has had a much easier time flooring members of the Avengers, taking out a prison gang in consequences, a gang when when blind and is the teacher of most of the senior X-men in h2h. He has vastly more experience and training as he started at a much younger age.
He's using his powers in both scans no H2H skills, what being able to tackle someone from behind and then hitting him after blasting half his face off, yeah great job Cyclops. Storm has one of the best H2H teachers in Marvel (Black Panther) and apart from that her and Cyclops have had the exact same teachers, Storm has been able to beat heavier/stronger opponents like Callisto and the Crimson Hand so it's not like the physical advantage plays much of a role in this fight.
No i'm not a Storm fanboy so don't even start with me, i'm a Jason Todd fanboy...gosh get it right
@Dextersinister: headbutting with that seems painful
Imagine wearing that for the rest of your life.
@god_spawn said:
Considering Cyclops was using his powers and against a team he knows the ins and outs of like the back of his hand are almost pointless. He knew their movies before they did for the most part and as for him "handling" Wolverine in h2h in the fight, it was important to point out Logan was in a severe funk ( I think from Proteus or something, can't remember) and under performing around that period of time.
As far as the Schism fight goes, almost similar in that Logan was underperforming (holding back a lot in that fight) and Cyclops was still using his powers for the most part.
None of Cyclops' h2h feats really put him over Storm.
True one of them being Storm so that should be another advantage in his favour and at the end of the day it's still a feat of skill against multiple combatants with main character power while injured
There is no evidence that Wolverine wasn't trying his best, when claws are aimed at the head as was the case as in his fight against Cap it's clear the man wasn't holding back and there was no other fight connected to this one, the disconnect Wolverine has between his multiple titles is infamous. As is common for the character he was out to kill if need be.
I need more to work with than a simple she's better when she's up against a man who trains more, is much bigger than her, has actual showings in this thread and is a tactical genius who as shown is aware of the strengths and weaknesses of his own team.
True one of them being Storm so that should be another advantage in his favour and at the end of the day it's still a feat of skill against multiple combatants with main character power while injured
Yet you still ignored context and the basis of it in your argument is irrelevant.
There is no evidence that Wolverine wasn't trying his best, when claws are aimed at the head as was the case as in his fight against Cap it's clear the man wasn't holding back and there was no other fight connected to this one, the disconnect Wolverine has between his multiple titles is infamous. As is common for the character he was out to kill if need be.
Actually it is very clear. With Logan constantly retracting his claws and the fact he didn't just knock Summers out in one hit or disable him with one claw strike shows he was holding back. Logan is superhuman in strength and can easily kill a human with a single strike, not to mention he knows a plethora of nerve strikes. Cyclops may be more tactical and may know how Logan operates on a regular basis, but when all things are considered with Logan's skill, stats, and feats that completely stomps Cyclops's feats. Logan is smart himself and knows how Cyke operates as well. And if you think Summers even comes close to Wolverine level in h2h combat then there is something wrong with that and I don't quite frankly know what to tell you if you think Logan wasn't. It's clear as day he was holding back. Not my fault you can't tell.
need more to work with than a simple she's better when she's up against a man who trains more, is much bigger than her, has actual showings in this thread and is a tactical genius who as shown is aware of the strengths and weaknesses of his own team.
I would but when you're actually giving nothing that proves anything and ignoring context constantly, it isn't worth my time.
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