@Andferne said:
"@THUNDERBOLT30 said:
" I don't see how he would take Storm at all in a full fledge battle. "
Actually it is very simple for him to take her in a full fledged battle and all it would take it one accurate hit. The same could be said about Storm against Cyclops. So that entire sentence is BS to me.
@THUNDERBOLT30 said:
" And this whole " he can just blink" thing is crap."
Yeah it is crap, because he does not want to blink. ;) All he has to do is Not blink, huge difference. But all I did was mention that for the speed factor between the two and who would be able to strike first. And as it has been shown time and time again Cyclops is usually the one who fires first.
@THUNDERBOLT30 said:
" And, actually it is a proven fact...just as easily as Storm beat him when she did not have any powers....she outsmarted him. When she had no powers she successfully dodged numerous blasts when they were duelng for leadership."
It was also stated in that fight by Cyclops himself and even Wolverine who was looking on that Cyclops mind was not on that fight. People who were standing there and watching knew he was not acting right. That in and of itself throws all credibility out the window for that fight between those two.
@THUNDERBOLT30 said:
" He never landed a hit. In World's Apart he should have landed a hit...but he didn't. Even though he was being "controlled" by the Shadown King, he was still able to defeat the Morlocks, survive being blown up, and still take out half of the X-men on his own, so I'm not buying that he was "not in control". He was being strongly influenced by a powerful telepath but he was cognizant to battle her."
Just as you stated he was being controlled by the Shadow King. So any tactics Cyclops himself would of done were not. It was SK who was in control and calling the shots. Again another case between the two that is thrown out the window because Scott was not the one in charge of his own actions. Of course you are not going to buy that because you want her to win. But the fact is he was not in control of his own powers and actions. So there for the point and fight is moot except that it showed Storm was able to deflect an optic blast with lightning her hand motion thing.
@THUNDERBOLT30 said:
" And if we're talking speed, Storm has flash frozen opponents in the "blink of an eye" (Colossus being one of them). And one fact that seems to be over looked is if Storm wanted, she could take him from a distance in a number of different ways."
Cyclops optic blasts have been stated a number of times as traveling the speed of Light! Light trumps blinking any day of the week. As I stated above if you cared to read the entire thread I mentioned Storm's best bet at winning is to keep her distance and use her maneuverability. Seeing as the fight takes place outside where it gives her plenty of space to fly. But it still does not mean Cyclops could not reach her with his optic blasts. They themselves have a impressive reach and he has been shown to blast her out of the sky with them multiple times.
@THUNDERBOLT30 said:
" And I will concede that he may be a better strategist, but Storm has always proven to be the most resourceful and cunning. She would tear him apart. "
There is no doubt that he is the greater strategist out of the two. As for Storm proving she is the most resourceful and cunning that is debatable and again a matter of opinion. Cyclops himself has been shown many times to come up with the rallying point for his team that leads them or himself to victory. His cunning and resourcefulness was shown and highlighted when he took on the X-men and beat them, at least twice and both those times Storm being part of the team.
The number of times that these two have faced off against each other it is Cyclops who has come out on top most of the times. Each time Storm has won Cyclops was either possessed by some being or was not giving it his all because his mind was elsewhere. Maddie F-ing things up and making him a basket case, doubting in his abilities to lead.
LOL....your arguments are weak bro...Cyclops is outmatched against Storm:
1) Cyclop's beams may be as fast as the speed of light but his reaction time CLEARLY isn't. If that were the case he should have landed a hit, but in many cases (just as with Storm) it didn't happen. And even if he "usually is the first to fire" doesn't mean he would actually connect. Hell, even in that same issues where he shot her she actually blasted him with wind and could have nailed him first.
2) All the lil' cyke fanboyz come up with the same argument for the duel for leadership but if that were the case, then in World's Apart, he would have not been so but-hurt that she beat him in front of everyone. He would have accepted the fact that his mind was not focused vs. feeling embarrassed for getting checked. LOL....and even if that was the case...you see the result of his not being focused and underestimating his betters ;)
3) Cyclops has been defeated by a number of various opponents, including Storm :-), despite his tactical skills but even he acknowledged that what Storm lacked in experience she made up for it in skill (check out the classic storyline where they battled the Sidri). This took place when Storm barely had the mantle of leadership, and didn't have the experience and powe tat she has now. In that ark he acknowledged that he saw her as rival and his equal then. Her tactical skills are on par with his. She trumps him now.
4) I don't know where you got this idea but in each of the conflicts between Storm and Cyclops, he did not come out on top. As I recall:
- He lost the duel ( focused or not)
- During Inferno, he shot her only after she had blasted him with wind ( could have hurled him into the rocks or far far away if she chose)
- He shot her out of the sky only after she hesitated. And he "miss timed" his step and would have been fried had she not hesitated. And, she blasted him with wind earlier when DP began to manipulate the X-Men against him.
- World's Apart, only a few month ago, reiterates that Cyclops is outmatched by Storm. As you put it earlier, "one accurate hit" of LIGHTNING KILLED HIM!
So, we can go back and forth all night but the bottom line is Storm knows Cyclops just as well as he know knows her. And based on the setting for this battle, in front of the X-Mansion where her powers are not limited by being indoors, she would hand Cyclop's his ass.
Oh, and #5, doesn't Cyclops breath air??? Hmmm...wonder how he would fight her once she removed the air from his lungs? Guess he wouldn't...he would be knocked the f--- out.
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