" @Fire-brand said:#449Uncanny X-Men #459 Storm contained a nuke by generating a jovian pressure field, and bishop sent it off into space to release it." @Storm Calling said:
now you have my attention. when did she contain a nuke with just wind? was it canon? i somehow doubt it or else Rbysjti would have brought it up before. but please, enlighten me. "" @Fire-brand: Storm's winds can batter starships, shatter every bone in a beast's body, level skyscrapers, hurl giants, even drill through mountains and contain nukes. I have never seen an air bender do anything close to this in the avatar series. "
Storm Vs. Aang
" @Storm Calling: IIRC Rachel Summers was assisting her with the nuke. "No, Rachel only protected the queen from being crushed by the pressure that Storm was generating. When nightcrawler teleported the queen out of the cart, that triggered the bomb to detonate, which the pressure contained.
" @Fire-brand said:she moved an entire island! she took a piece of land broke it of and shifted the entire thing miles away from shore. storm manipulated some weather, kyoshi moved an island. not quite the same. it wasn't the largest island ever, but it was pretty big.Uncanny X-Men #459 Storm contained a nuke by generating a jovian pressure field, and bishop sent it off into space to release it." @Storm Calling said:
now you have my attention. when did she contain a nuke with just wind? was it canon? i somehow doubt it or else Rbysjti would have brought it up before. but please, enlighten me. "" @Fire-brand: Storm's winds can batter starships, shatter every bone in a beast's body, level skyscrapers, hurl giants, even drill through mountains and contain nukes. I have never seen an air bender do anything close to this in the avatar series. "
I read your post just find, I was merely pointing out that the feat was not all that great. She simply detached a piece of the earth off of the continent to create an island. It wasn't even mind blowingly all that large. Storm has generated and dispersed storm's the size of a hemisphere, now that's a lot more impressive. "learn to read
"avatar kyoshi broke an entire piece of a continent off "
where did he state it was the size of a continent? because when i read he said it was an island
" @Ferro Vida said:Just fact-checking." @Storm Calling: IIRC Rachel Summers was assisting her with the nuke. "No, Rachel only protected the queen from being crushed by the pressure that Storm was generating. When nightcrawler teleported the queen out of the cart, that triggered the bomb to detonate, which the pressure contained. "
" @Storm Calling said:" @Fire-brand said:#449Uncanny X-Men #459 Storm contained a nuke by generating a jovian pressure field, and bishop sent it off into space to release it." @Storm Calling said:
now you have my attention. when did she contain a nuke with just wind? was it canon? i somehow doubt it or else Rbysjti would have brought it up before. but please, enlighten me. "" @Fire-brand: Storm's winds can batter starships, shatter every bone in a beast's body, level skyscrapers, hurl giants, even drill through mountains and contain nukes. I have never seen an air bender do anything close to this in the avatar series. "
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You are so quick :-). I was juast scanning these images...
" @Son Of Storm said:I'm the king of scans(Storm or X-men). You should know that by now. :P" @Storm Calling said:You are so quick :-). I was juast scanning these images... "" @Fire-brand said:#449Uncanny X-Men #459 Storm contained a nuke by generating a jovian pressure field, and bishop sent it off into space to release it." @Storm Calling said:
now you have my attention. when did she contain a nuke with just wind? was it canon? i somehow doubt it or else Rbysjti would have brought it up before. but please, enlighten me. "" @Fire-brand: Storm's winds can batter starships, shatter every bone in a beast's body, level skyscrapers, hurl giants, even drill through mountains and contain nukes. I have never seen an air bender do anything close to this in the avatar series. "
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" @Son Of Storm: Can you post it? I just want to see what the outcome is with my own eyes. "
" @Ferro Vida said:Good job Son Of Storm!",)" @Son Of Storm: Can you post it? I just want to see what the outcome is with my own eyes. ""
You and I know Storm will win here.
Storm has shown versatility in using her powers than Aang. Even in winds. If Aang is better at contolling winds, he be able should be able to fly well using winds only.
" @Son Of Storm: Alright, that's fair. Storm can contain a nuke, but the effort knocked her out, it took a massive amount of focus, and she wasn't able to do it instantly. That makes a lot more sense. "I believe White Mage told me that it wasn't actually the creation of the dome that knocked her out. But the effort it took to keep it in one place and hold it without disrupting the surrounding environment.
" @Son Of Storm: Fair enough. It still makes more sense then what I was led to believe. "Which was?
You are right. When Storm uses her power, it's not what exhaust her, but keeping it controllable that nobody would be harmed but the target alone." @Ferro Vida said:
" @Son Of Storm: Alright, that's fair. Storm can contain a nuke, but the effort knocked her out, it took a massive amount of focus, and she wasn't able to do it instantly. That makes a lot more sense. "I believe White Mage told me that it wasn't actually the creation of the dome that knocked her out. But the effort it took to keep it in one place and hold it without disrupting the surrounding environment. "
@Ferro Vida said:
" @rbysjti: Aang has a more precise control over wind. While in the Avatar state he was able to fly at extreme speeds without the use of his glider. He knows Iroh's technique for deflecting lightning, he's faster then her, and he has a wider variety of elements at his disposal. "
Storm is faster than Aang.
" @Son Of Storm: I wasn't told any of the other factors, or the condition she was in after. "Well that certainly IS misleading.
Why didn't you come to me? Or White Mage for that matter?
" @Son Of Storm said:she might fly faster, but he has higher reflex speeds and ground speeds.You are right. When Storm uses her power, it's not what exhaust her, but keeping it controllable that nobody would be harmed but the target alone." @Ferro Vida said:
" @Son Of Storm: Alright, that's fair. Storm can contain a nuke, but the effort knocked her out, it took a massive amount of focus, and she wasn't able to do it instantly. That makes a lot more sense. "I believe White Mage told me that it wasn't actually the creation of the dome that knocked her out. But the effort it took to keep it in one place and hold it without disrupting the surrounding environment. "
@Ferro Vida said:" @rbysjti: Aang has a more precise control over wind. While in the Avatar state he was able to fly at extreme speeds without the use of his glider. He knows Iroh's technique for deflecting lightning, he's faster then her, and he has a wider variety of elements at his disposal. "
Storm is faster than Aang.
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2) I meant land speed. Their air speed should be equal.
That "some weather" could ripped adult trees out by their roots and scour hills of soil and vegetations down to it's bare rock, Her storm was no joke and it had enough power to devastate an entire continent. That's alot more powerful and destructive then moving an island." @Storm Calling said:
she moved an entire island! she took a piece of land broke it of and shifted the entire thing miles away from shore. storm manipulated some weather, kyoshi moved an island. not quite the same. it wasn't the largest island ever, but it was pretty big. "" @Fire-brand said:
Uncanny X-Men #459 Storm contained a nuke by generating a jovian pressure field, and bishop sent it off into space to release it." @Storm Calling said:
now you have my attention. when did she contain a nuke with just wind? was it canon? i somehow doubt it or else Rbysjti would have brought it up before. but please, enlighten me. "" @Fire-brand: Storm's winds can batter starships, shatter every bone in a beast's body, level skyscrapers, hurl giants, even drill through mountains and contain nukes. I have never seen an air bender do anything close to this in the avatar series. "
I read your post just find, I was merely pointing out that the feat was not all that great. She simply detached a piece of the earth off of the continent to create an island. It wasn't even mind blowingly all that large. Storm has generated and dispersed storm's the size of a hemisphere, now that's a lot more impressive. "learn to read
"avatar kyoshi broke an entire piece of a continent off "
where did he state it was the size of a continent? because when i read he said it was an island
@Ferro Vida said:
Actually she generated alot more pressure then was needed for the nuke, in no time flat. It's more safer to assume that she was generating as much wind as she possibly could until she passed out. Again, she generated more pressure then was needed." @Son Of Storm: Alright, that's fair. Storm can contain a nuke, but the effort knocked her out, it took a massive amount of focus, and she wasn't able to do it instantly. That makes a lot more sense. "
" @Fire-brand: Their air speed should be equal, as they are both being carried by the wind. "that's why i put might in bold, really i see flight speed being equal. but on land and in combat, he is much much faster.
" @rbysjti said:Using the word "might" would only means you are more than 50% agreeing with me.",)" @Son Of Storm said:she might fly faster, but he has higher reflex speeds and ground speeds. "You are right. When Storm uses her power, it's not what exhaust her, but keeping it controllable that nobody would be harmed but the target alone." @Ferro Vida said:
" @Son Of Storm: Alright, that's fair. Storm can contain a nuke, but the effort knocked her out, it took a massive amount of focus, and she wasn't able to do it instantly. That makes a lot more sense. "I believe White Mage told me that it wasn't actually the creation of the dome that knocked her out. But the effort it took to keep it in one place and hold it without disrupting the surrounding environment. "
@Ferro Vida said:" @rbysjti: Aang has a more precise control over wind. While in the Avatar state he was able to fly at extreme speeds without the use of his glider. He knows Iroh's technique for deflecting lightning, he's faster then her, and he has a wider variety of elements at his disposal. "
Storm is faster than Aang.
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About reflex speeds, how can he dodge a cannonade of lightning? or gigantic winds?
Aang will get hurt with intense heat and subzero level temperatures, Storm can manipulate temperature.
Well, he's dodged and redirected lightning in the past, so it shouldn't be a problem. Aang is the last air bender. Winds are a pretty easy thing for him to manipulate.
Aang was surviving the temperatures of the an active volcano and the North and South Poles without any other protection. He can also deal with extreme lows using fire bending.
" @Storm Calling: He managed when he fought Firelord Ozai. "Storm isn't Fireloard Ozai, and she channels lightning a lot faster and a lot more powerful then he does as well.
" I still don't see him stopping a deadly lightning strike in the first half second of the battle. "he'll pull himself itno the ground and let it ground out, or launch boulder at her to block her concentration. or just dodge it. he has the reflexes.
" @Storm Calling said:He does not have the reflexes to dodge lightning." I still don't see him stopping a deadly lightning strike in the first half second of the battle. "he'll pull himself itno the ground and let it ground out, or launch boulder at her to block her concentration. or just dodge it. he has the reflexes. "
Ozai doesn't control lightning, he simply creates it. Storm can manipulate where she can strike, and she doesn't need to create movement in order to do it. Plus she could direct the bolt to a vital organ, like the heart, and kill him. This is bloodlust and she can and has done this on panel.
In worlds apart #4. Storm struck Cyclops in the heart with a lightning bolt and kills him. He made note of this when he was discussing the topic with Black Panther." @Storm Calling: Can you provide evidence of this? "
Aang is a lot quicker then Cyclops. He's also not being controlled by Shadow King, can control that particular element as well, and has avoided lightning in the past. Storm would have a much more difficult time getting a bead on Aang then she did on a possessed Scott Summers.
first of all, this is not bloodlust, this is morals off. there is a difference. second, he has the flexes to dodge lightning, it doesn't matter if she can aim it because by the time she see that he has moved, the lightning will have struck. the she gets a boulder to the face or a water whip to the head." @Fire-brand said:
" @Storm Calling said:He does not have the reflexes to dodge lightning. Ozai doesn't control lightning, he simply creates it. Storm can manipulate where she can strike, and she doesn't need to create movement in order to do it. Plus she could direct the bolt to a vital organ, like the heart, and kill him. This is bloodlust and she can and has done this on panel. "" I still don't see him stopping a deadly lightning strike in the first half second of the battle. "he'll pull himself itno the ground and let it ground out, or launch boulder at her to block her concentration. or just dodge it. he has the reflexes. "
he dodged lightning against azula several times, and that wasn't even in the avatar state.
" @Storm Calling: Yes he does. Aang is a lot quicker then Cyclops. He's also not being controlled by Shadow King, can control that particular element as well, and has avoided lightning in the past. Storm would have a much more difficult time getting a bead on Aang then she did on a possessed Scott Summers. "The only time I seen cyclops dodge a bolt of lightning from Storm was when she hesitated, and even that was just barely When she used it against him in worlds of part, he was powerless to dodge her, because he wasn't expecting it to happen so fast and from out of a clear sky.There are no moral in play here and Storm uses her most deadly bolts against Aang.
Lightning was generated differently in Avatar. They had to create articulate movement before they could actually generate a bolt of lightning. Not a single person in the series generated a lightning bolt instantly, this including Ozai. So stating that he dodged Ozai's lightning doesn't mean squat because they do not generate lightning as fast as Storm can, let alone control it to that degree.
" @Storm Calling: That doesn't answer my question. It doesn't prove that she can generate lightning that is more powerful. "Storm can channel the full electrical tempest into a single strike. Iroh could barely stand a partial rogue bolt of lightning from a storm.
I didn't specify that the lightning had come from Ozai or Azula. Aang has avoided lightning from a natural storm, IIRC.
" @Ferro Vida said:You have nothing to back either of these statements with. It doesn't matter even if the lightning is more powerful, though, because Iroh's technique would still work. He has redirected natural lightning and lightning that was being bent. Can you really prove that Storm's lightning is so different?" @Storm Calling: That doesn't answer my question. It doesn't prove that she can generate lightning that is more powerful. "Storm can channel the full electrical tempest into a single strike. Iroh could barely stand a partial rogue bolt of lightning from a storm. "
" @Ferro Vida said:that was for comedic effect and he was fine 2 seconds later. more importantly it was a natural bolt with no warning and yet an old man managed to redirect it. aang is much faster and can easily dodge it. and why do you say it was a "partial" bolt. it was a full on bolt." @Storm Calling: That doesn't answer my question. It doesn't prove that she can generate lightning that is more powerful. "Storm can channel the full electrical tempest into a single strike. Iroh could barely stand a partial rogue bolt of lightning from a storm. "
" @Storm Calling: In Worlds Apart Cyclops was being possessed by Shadow King. He was not himself. I didn't specify that the lightning had come from Ozai or Azula. Aang has avoided lightning from a natural storm, IIRC. "He was not possessed in the means that someone was controlling his motor functions. Shadow King merely clouded his perception and let his make his own choices. He did the same to all of the other X-men as well.
What episode did he dodge lightning from a natural storm? I have never seen him dodge a rogue bolt of lightning.
" @Storm Calling said:
" @Ferro Vida said:that was for comedic effect and he was fine 2 seconds later. more importantly it was a natural bolt with no warning and yet an old man managed to redirect it. aang is much faster and can easily dodge it. and why do you say it was a "partial" bolt. it was a full on bolt. "" @Storm Calling: That doesn't answer my question. It doesn't prove that she can generate lightning that is more powerful. "Storm can channel the full electrical tempest into a single strike. Iroh could barely stand a partial rogue bolt of lightning from a storm. "
The lightning struck the bolt first and then he guided some of it through his body and redirected the rest into the water. He did not absorb the full bolt, and he did not absorb it from the moment it struck.
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