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#1 Edited by jhazzroucher (13961 posts) - - Show Bio

No prep.

In Savage Land

5 miles apart.

Human Torch has no cosmic rod.

Ororo Munroe and Scott Summers

Who will win?

#2 Posted by Ferro Vida (34240 posts) - - Show Bio

The X-men have a shot here. They know the Savage Lands better than the FF and if they use guerilla tactics then they can potentially win. They have the power and the strategic know-how to get the job done. BUT if this comes down to an open fight then the FF take it. Sue would beat them on her own.

#3 Posted by jhazzroucher (13961 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

The X-men have a shot here. They know the Savage Lands better than the FF and if they use guerilla tactics then they can potentially win. They have the power and the strategic know-how to get the job done. BUT if this comes down to an open fight then the FF take it. Sue would beat them on her own.

So the 5 miles distance doesn't really matter?

#4 Posted by HigorM (3239 posts) - - Show Bio

the real problem for the x-men is Sue, probably she would shield her team and take blows while remove the air from cyclops and storm, before Storm could do the same with them..

i think this is about who is faster to make the first and ultimate move.

#5 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (4656 posts) - - Show Bio

How many blasts can Sue shield's take? I recall Hulk punching them and eventually getting to her and killing her in Age of X.

#6 Posted by Saren (24387 posts) - - Show Bio

@Edgeworth_11 said:

How many blasts can Sue shield's take? I recall Hulk punching them and eventually getting to her and killing her in Age of X.

An incident that is non-canon.

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#7 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (4656 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: I realized it is non-canon, but are the power levels consistent? you still answer my original question which is how many blasts can her shields take? If Scott and Storm through everything at them, might it be destroyed?

#8 Posted by nickthedevil (11089 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the FF can handle this.

#9 Posted by Nefarious (17625 posts) - - Show Bio

The Fantastic Four.

#10 Posted by Saren (24387 posts) - - Show Bio

@Edgeworth_11 said:

@CitizenBane: I realized it is non-canon, but are the power levels consistent? you still answer my original question which is how many blasts can her shields take? If Scott and Storm through everything at them, might it be destroyed?

If it's non-canon, why bother posting it as part of an argument? Her shields have taken lightning blasts from Ragnarok, held the explosion of a gamma bomb and a nova from Johnny Storm. She recently restrained Doom and Thing when they tried to fight without breaking a sweat. In Enemy of the State she brought Logan to his knees with a wave of her hand, and he is far more durable than either of these two, with a healing factor to boot.

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#11 Posted by Dernman (14038 posts) - - Show Bio

Fantastic Four

#12 Posted by termiteone4ever (6693 posts) - - Show Bio

The 4 got this

#13 Posted by Strider92 (15312 posts) - - Show Bio

Fantastic Four wins here

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#14 Posted by mextli (648 posts) - - Show Bio

Only chance for the X-men would be to ambush the four our divide and conquer. FF take 8/10 mostly due to sue.

#15 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3275 posts) - - Show Bio

Fantastic Four; they have a really good mix of skills, powersets and feats, so their teamwork and potential are unparalleled. Plus they have more experience.

#16 Posted by pooty (10341 posts) - - Show Bio

The Thing and Mr. Fantastic are non factors. Sue and Torch win this.

#17 Posted by gravitypress (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

FF easy. They are the masters of teamwork

#18 Posted by butterflykyss (3910 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm. I think Storm and cyke could take them.. It wouldn't be an easy win, but I think they would come out on top 8/10.

#19 Posted by nochestorm67 (142 posts) - - Show Bio

My vote goes to Storm and Cyke

#20 Posted by nickthedevil (11089 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly don't see Cyclops and storm on the same level as the Fantastic Four... They've plowed through tougher opponents than these two.

#21 Posted by butterflykyss (3910 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickthedevil said:

I honestly don't see Cyclops and storm on the same level as the Fantastic Four... They've plowed through tougher opponents than these two.

true, but the same can be said for Storm and cyke... it goes both ways..

#22 Posted by LiroyJenkins (197 posts) - - Show Bio

No love for Storm? I demand Fanboy-Service now!

#23 Posted by Roddy010 (4937 posts) - - Show Bio

Are morals on for this battle?

#24 Posted by Afro_Warrior (1120 posts) - - Show Bio

FF.

Cyclops's optic blast will not get through Sue's shields and neither will any of Storm's offensive abilities. It's stood up to attacks from Ragnarok, Johnny Storm going Nova, a slightly de-powered Terrax, while Sue has created some creative moves using her abilities.

At a push you could argue Sue solos.

#25 Posted by davelecave (1113 posts) - - Show Bio

The only chance the x-men have is if they have a sniper rifle and kill Sue before she even knows what's happening.

#26 Posted by EpitomeofCool (2779 posts) - - Show Bio

fantastic four......

#27 Posted by Ferro Vida (34240 posts) - - Show Bio
@jhazzroucher said:

@Ferro Vida said:

The X-men have a shot here. They know the Savage Lands better than the FF and if they use guerilla tactics then they can potentially win. They have the power and the strategic know-how to get the job done. BUT if this comes down to an open fight then the FF take it. Sue would beat them on her own.

So the 5 miles distance doesn't really matter?

The five miles makes all the difference
#28 Posted by Charmix (11958 posts) - - Show Bio

@davelecave said:

The only chance the x-men have is if they have a sniper rifle and kill Sue before she even knows what's happening.

lmao! XD exactly what I was thinking.

#29 Posted by Swiffer (53 posts) - - Show Bio

Scott has got the tactics of fighting down, but I the Four take this. Like it was said earlier Sue is the reason the x-men will fail.

#30 Posted by Ferro Vida (34240 posts) - - Show Bio
@Swiffer said:

Scott has got the tactics of fighting down, but I the Four take this. Like it was said earlier Sue is the reason the x-men will fail.

Only if the Four can find the X-men. The distance between them give Cyclops and Storm a fighting chance.
#31 Posted by Lord Shiva (793 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, I agree the distance make this an interesting fight. Storm could actually take out 3 of their memeber in 2 seconds. Only the Thing is durable enough to withstand an out the blue lightning bolt or air removal. If she can hit a jet on the other side of the planet, she can hit four people walking in the Savage Land.(unless written by Fraction) This might be a win for the X-Men. Waiting to see if anyone can convince me otherwise.

#32 Posted by Swiffer (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida: Fair enough. but I think the four would stick together, finding a reason or a way to split up the team is the only way Scott and Storm have a chance. I'm not sure how they would accomplish that and if they were to try I don't know how they would do it without giving away their position. I may not be thinking out of the box enough though.

#33 Posted by Ferro Vida (34240 posts) - - Show Bio

Are morals off? Because then Cyclops and Storm take it.

#34 Posted by butterflykyss (3910 posts) - - Show Bio

@Afro_Warrior said:

FF.

Cyclops's optic blast will not get through Sue's shields and neither will any of Storm's offensive abilities. It's stood up to attacks from Ragnarok, Johnny Storm going Nova, a slightly de-powered Terrax, while Sue has created some creative moves using her abilities.

At a push you could argue Sue solos.

storm should be able to affect the air/atmosphere within her forcefield... and no sue would not solo...

#35 Posted by kajitatsu (532 posts) - - Show Bio

Sue and Reed beat Storm. Johnny and Ben beat Cyclops.

#36 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (11747 posts) - - Show Bio

I really don't see how this could go the x-men's way. Couldn't sue just cloak Johnny while he just rockets into Storm and Cyke...or just y'know create a bubble inside their brains and kill em

#37 Posted by Charmix (11958 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

I really don't see how this could go the x-men's way. Couldn't sue just cloak Johnny while he just rockets into Storm and Cyke...or just y'know create a bubble inside their brains and kill em

That or crush them the way she did Taskmaster.

#38 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

FF.

#39 Edited by sandiego008 (3283 posts) - - Show Bio

Problem w/ this battle IMO: note IMO:

storm and cyclops got morals and aren't blood lusted

cyclops starts insanely far from the battle ... 5 miles is good for storm but horrible for cyclops.

No way a morals on storm and cyclops are winning no matter what the distance. Morals off ... maybe.

There is a way for them to win but based on OP ... no way.

#40 Posted by BlackArmor (6121 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on Cyke's strategy but more than likely the FF take this relatively easily

#41 Posted by sandiego008 (3283 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackArmor said:

Depends on Cyke's strategy but more than likely the FF take this relatively easily

Run 5 miles to the battle scene ... awesome strategy.

#42 Posted by BlackArmor (6121 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandiego008 said:

@BlackArmor said:

Depends on Cyke's strategy but more than likely the FF take this relatively easily

Run 5 miles to the battle scene ... awesome strategy.

I was referring to setting up an ambush based on the X-men's superior knowledge of the savage land

#43 Posted by SexualLobster (995 posts) - - Show Bio

Would be amazing to see to be honest.

But, how do they deal with Johnny Or Sue?

I mean, Ben will take a while to put down, but he WILL eventually be put down by a lightning bolt or enough optic blasts.

Sue can batter Storm with forcefields until she's unconcious, which realistically shouldn't be too long.

Johnny is more than enough to distract Cyclops from helping Storm, and in the time he also has to deal with Reed and Ben. Reed can subdue Scott, or Ben could KO him.

Basically FF win. but if written well would be a great battle.

#44 Posted by Check17 (33 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone waiting for Rbyjitsu-whatever or RLAAMIR? FF 9/10 IMO

#45 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (9025 posts) - - Show Bio

I think this has a chance to go either way and that the mutants have some advantages here due to the starting distance. Storm and Cyclops are skilled tacticians and strategists. They are not going to go into a head on battle with the FF like a couple of noobs :-/. As already mentioned, they have knowledge of the battlefield (i.e. - best areas for an ambush attack or set traps), and have the attack range and stealth advantage with Storm (i.e. - peasoup fog to hide her and Cyclops but can still sense the other teams movement through the air).

#46 Edited by butterflykyss (3910 posts) - - Show Bio

Storm could EASILY solo this match, with Cyclops being overkill. She BFR Reed and Thing with F5 winds. Lightning is enough to take Thing out. Johnny needs oxygen for his flames to function, Storm simply removes oxygen from around him and his powers are negated. Sue is the only true threat. It goes to who can respond the fastest and Storm power has been shown to work in a blink of an eye. Since the battle starts so far away, the fight is more in Storm's favor. If she manages to get a shield up before Storm gets a bolt to her, Storm can still use her power within Sue's field. She can instantly remove the oxygen from Sue for an instant KO.

With Cyke this match is pushed even more in the favor of the first Team. So Storm and cyke for the win.

#47 Posted by AvalancheWaves (17 posts) - - Show Bio

hmm I think the F4 due to Sue, I mean can't she just make the platform invisible and just take them out

#48 Posted by jhazzroucher (13961 posts) - - Show Bio

Storm and Cyclops has an edge because of the 5 mile range. Storm has long range attacks. She doesn't need to see the target to hit the target. At the same time, Storm can sense the location of each member of the fantastic four so they can always keep a distance from them. If Storm can summon a lightning without seeing them, then I believe Storm can also take out the oxygen where the fantastic four are located. besides, it'll be difficult for Sue to handle a tornado or hurricane that will spin her bubble round and round.

Storm in Africa, concentrates to strike lightning on the x-jet flying over the american continent
#49 Posted by Afro_Warrior (1120 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss said:

storm should be able to affect the air/atmosphere within her forcefield... and no sue would not solo...

Theirs no reason to assume Storm can affect anything withing the bubble, considering the fact that its been shown preventing transmutation and telepathy/telekinesis (from Jean Grey). And i did not say that Sue solo's. I said at a push you could argue she solos. Which is true, so i don't know why your brought that up.

#50 Posted by Dernman (14038 posts) - - Show Bio

Considering how Sue's powers hurt Hyperstorm there is nothing Storm has that will protect her from Sue.