Stick Fighters Vs. Blade Masters

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Fight takes place in a Massive Chinese Temple Courtyard. The fighters are blocked from using any energy projection or teleportaion unless it's to amp there own physical abilities. All other powers permitted. They can only use H2H and there weapon listed. The 2 teams start 30 feet away. Victory is by K.O, Death, or Incapacitation. Team Stick has 30 mins Prep.
 
Stick Fighters: 
Nightwing
Daredevil
Red Robin (Tim Drake)
Moon Knight
Gambit
 

 Twin Promethium Clubs
 Twin Promethium Clubs

 Twin Adamantium Billy Clubs with Standard Tech
 Twin Adamantium Billy Clubs with Standard Tech

 Promethium Retractable Staff     
 Promethium Retractable Staff     

 Adamantium Retractable Staff With standard Abilities
 Adamantium Retractable Staff With standard Abilities

 Adamantium Staff
 Adamantium Staff
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
VS. 
 
Swordsmen:
Ronin (Clint Barton)
Deathstroke
Black Knight
Deadpool
Nightcrawler
 
 Adamantium Katana
 Adamantium Katana

Promethium Broad Sword and Dagger     
Promethium Broad Sword and Dagger     

 Ebony Blade
 Ebony Blade

 Twin Adamantium Katanas
 Twin Adamantium Katanas

 Twin Fencing Foils
 Twin Fencing Foils
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#2  Edited By (((Prodigy)))

Right off the bat, Nightwing and Red Robin seem to be at a disadvantage without any special material weapons. Adamantium blades or the Ebony Blade would cut standard material weapons like butter. 
To make it more even, I would give the two of them promethium equipment.

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#3  Edited By ThaMessenger07
@(((Prodigy))):  
 
Done sir! I don't know why I didn't thin about that originally.
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#4  Edited By Afterglow

DS and DP, together, could win this.

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#5  Edited By (((Prodigy)))

With that cleared up, this is exceptionally close. Grayson, Murdock, and Drake make powerful additions to the stick fighters team, but at the same time Deathstroke is quite an opponent to beat. Although, due to their 30 minutes of prep time, the stick team may figure out a way to take him on. Probably a team-up involving Grayson and Murdock. If I'm not mistaken, Grayson has beaten him before, and the addition of Matt and his senses (of which DS will know nothing) might allow them to beat him rather swiftly. After Deathstroke is gone, the other bladesmen would be challenges no doubt, but nothing that the stick fighters can't bring down. 
Stick fighters win 6-7 out of 10.

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#6  Edited By ThaMessenger07
@(((Prodigy))):  Very well played scenario. Definitely the way to go for the stick fighters to gain victory. 
 
@Afterglow: Even with 30 mins prep and Grayson & Drake on the same team. The Blade fighters do not get any prep for obvious reasons.
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#7  Edited By czarny_samael666

Even without teleporting, Nightcrawler and Deadpool will give their team win.

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#8  Edited By ThaMessenger07
@czarny_samael:  How will Nightcrawler make a substantial difference?
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#9  Edited By (((Prodigy)))
@czarny_samael:  
Nightcrawler is an expert swordsman, but he's not on the same skill level as pretty much anyone on the stick fighters team. He's a solid addition to his team, but he's hardly the most dangerous one.
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Deathstroke is an advantage.

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#11  Edited By EdwardWindsor

Take it form a forensics expert back the blades. The blunt weapons will do internal damage thats for sure especiialy with meta or above strenght but the blades do much more damage on the whole a  good  blade strike  could damge  circular system/muscle tissue and possibly organs. Combine that with someone who cna teleport one shot people and two very dangerous mercs thast team is gonan eb tough to beat.

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#12  Edited By karrob
@Afterglow said:
" DS and DP, together, could win this. "
I agree. Team 2 wins just because of them...
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#13  Edited By (((Prodigy)))
@lazystudent said:
" Take it form a forensics expert back the blades. The blunt weapons will do internal damage thats for sure especiialy with meta or above strenght but the blades do much more damage on the whole a  good  blade strike  could damge  circular system/muscle tissue and possibly organs. "
Yes, we all know that getting hit with a blade causes more damage than getting hit with a staff. 
However, this is a fight between comic book characters. All of the people in this fight have been known to endure unrealistic amounts of damage (from blades, sticks, bullets, fists, you name it) and keep going. The thing is, the stick fighters team simply has more overall skill on their side, and they're probably going to be landing quite a bit more hits than the bladesmen will.
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#14  Edited By EdwardWindsor
@(((Prodigy))):  thats wher you wrong in my opinion since the bladesmen have two very durable fighters and one who can simply stab one shot via teleport on their team. Team one while skilled has a very one dimensional attack in compariosn to the second team, who have a teleporter and two members who are trained assasins( one being  very hard to predict see deadpool taskmaster) esentially and a 3rd who makes a living out of being hugely accurate and highly trianed with virtually ever class of weapon.
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#15  Edited By (((Prodigy)))
@lazystudent:   

 and one who can simply stab one shot via teleport on their team  


 
Read the OP. Nightcrawler can't teleport  
 

 since the bladesmen have two very durable fighters  


 
It's true that Deathstroke and Deadpool can tank a lot of damage, but they can both be taken down by nerve strikes. Daredevil has extensive knowledge of nerve strikes and I believe the Robins have training in that area as well. Since they are the team that gets half an hour of prep time, I have no doubt that they will devise a plan that will match up DD and the Robins against DS and DP.
 

 and two members who are trained assasins( one being  very hard to predict see deadpool taskmaster)  


 
Having assassination skill doesn't mean much in a straight-up fight. OP says the teams start 30 feet apart in a Chinese Temple Courtyard. There will be no stealth, sneaking around, assassination, ect. It's going to be a good old-fashioned brawl. 
 
   
Here's what we're looking at: 
Dick Grayson, who is among DC's best fighters. He's even beaten Deathstroke 1-on-1 before if I'm not mistaken. 
Matt Murdock, who is one of Marvel's best fighters, has superhuman senses that the bladesmen team will not know about, and has such skill with nerve strikes that it nearly borders on plot device. 
Tim Drake, who is nearly as good as Grayson. 
Moon Knight, an often underrated fighter who is revered for his ability to tank massive amounts of damage and keep going, and who might have superhuman strength depending on which version we're using. 
Gambit, one of Marvel's most well-known stick fighters who has agility to match or beat anyone on the bladesmen team.  
(and all 5 of these people get 30 minutes of prep time to learn the capabilities of their enemies and devise a plan accordingly)
VS 
Clint Barton, who hardly got a single impressive showing during his stint as Ronin. 
Deathstroke, who is a tough combatant to be sure, but who has been beaten before by one of the members of the stick fighters team. 
Black Knight, a skilled swordsman, but not exactly known as 'one of Marvel's best' or anything like that. 
Deadpool, who is both skilled and durable, but hardly unbeatable. 
Nightcrawler, who is a solid addition to his team, but who can not teleport for this fight and who has never been known for being a supremely skilled fighter
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#16  Edited By czarny_samael666
@ThaMessenger07 said:
" @czarny_samael:  How will Nightcrawler make a substantial difference? "
Nightcrawler has the best agility from all people here.
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#17  Edited By DeathsHead2

Blade Fighters FTW, 9/10! 
 
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#18  Edited By (((Prodigy)))
@czarny_samael said:
" @ThaMessenger07 said:
" @czarny_samael:  How will Nightcrawler make a substantial difference? "
Nightcrawler has the best agility from all people here. "
Gambit comes in very close behind him. 
And while Nightcrawler is extremely agile, he isn't known much for his raw skill.
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#19  Edited By TheGoldenOne

close one. im gonna back team 2 for the win

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#20  Edited By SpidermanWins

Hmmm... BM because of DP and DS.

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#21  Edited By EdwardWindsor
@(((Prodigy))):  being and assasin means you have loser morals and therfore are slightly more deadly when push comes to shove.Nightcrawler is probably the most agile person on the field even without abilties due to his training and abilty to use tail.Deathstroke lost to nightwing once but has beaten how many of dcs higher tier?  Deadpool has taken town a small team of armed metas before solo with ease. Barton is one of marvels best all round fighters and is a threat armed with any weapon.  Deadpool and deathstroke are two much for most people as a team its no reflection of the quality of the team 1 but with 30 mins prep deathstroke could easily come up with plssn just as good as any of batman apprentaces.
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#22  Edited By (((Prodigy)))
@lazystudent:   
 

being and assasin means you have loser morals and therfore are slightly more deadly when push comes to shove.  


 
I'm not quite sure where you're getting that. Assassination skill has nothing to do with moral standing. An assassin is someone who specializes in killing without being detected. 
And I don't even know what "loser morals" is supposed to mean.  
 
 

Nightcrawler is probably the most agile person on the field even without abilties due to his training and abilty to use tail.  


 
Superior agility does not necessarily mean he can beat the people on the stick fighters team. They have all battled superhumanly agile people before and come out on top.  
 
 

Deathstroke lost to nightwing once but has beaten how many of dcs higher tier?  


 
A fair point, but how many of those wins did he get with absolutely zero prep, no previous knowledge of his enemies, and armed with only a sword and a dagger? 
In just about any significant Deathstroke fight you find he had prep time, he knew his opponents, and he had his promethium mail armor, guns, blasting staff, ect.  
 
 

Deadpool has taken town a small team of armed metas before solo with ease.  


 
Soloing a small team of metahumans? Any superhero who is anybody has done the same thing. It's par for the course. I don't even know which fight you're referring to, but so far it doesn't sound impressive.    
 
 

Barton is one of marvels best all round fighters and is a threat armed with any weapon.  


 
His accuracy with throwing/projectile weapons is almost unparalelled, but he has no sword feats that are even worth mentioning.    
 

 Deadpool and deathstroke are two much for most people as a team its no reflection of the quality of the team 1 but with 30 mins prep deathstroke could easily come up with plssn just as good as any of batman apprentaces.  


 
For the love of Hypnotoad, please try to learn the basics of punctuation and sentence structure. I've had to read this several times to try to figure out what you are saying.
The only thing I can really get out of it is that you still haven't read the OP. The stick fighters have 30 minutes of prep. The bladesmen have no prep.  
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#23  Edited By EdwardWindsor
@(((Prodigy))):  Looser not loser morals spelling error, like all spelling errors was a mistake.  The point was since the fights in character deadpool and deathstroke are more the capable of killing in this fight where as most of team 1 will not. Your point about Deathstroke is kinnda funny here since he is aware of both nightwing and Tim drake so he doesnt need prep he already has plans or tactics for them already surely. Barton is also an excellent h2h fighter and has years more fighting experience over the batman apprentances, his sword skills might not be amazing but hes a therat with any weapon. Nightcrawler agilty will make it far tougher for anybody to hit him and hes unque fighting style will make it even difficult for the big hitters of team one since hes style will be far different to anything they have faced before.Only gambit knows his style and even with prepe thers very little they could do to counter it bar doubling up on him. 
 
At the end of the day it seems most people agree the blades win.
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#24  Edited By Skies327
@lazystudent said:
   At the end of the day it seems most people agree the blades win. "
 
Most people used to believe the Earth was flat too. ;)
 
I'm going Stick Fighters on this one. 30 minutes of Prep for Tim and Dick is a dangerous thing for anyone.
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#25  Edited By EdwardWindsor
@Skies327:  that was becasue most poeple where ignorant of the facts back then, which on this site  and with common characters isnt as probable.
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#26  Edited By (((Prodigy)))
@lazystudent:  

 The point was since the fights in character deadpool and deathstroke are more the capable of killing in this fight where as most of team 1 will not.  


 
With characters such as these, willingness to kill or not kill isn't much of an issue. Moon Knight, Daredevil, and Grayson might be hesitant to take a life, but none of them hesitate at all when it comes to brutally beating and crippling opponents.  
 

 Your point about Deathstroke is kinnda funny here since he is aware of both nightwing and Tim drake so he doesnt need prep he already has plans or tactics for them already surely.  


 
Yeah. He has knowledge about 2 of his 5 opponents. He doesn't know jack s**t about Daredevil, Moon Knight, or Gambit.  
 
 

Barton is also an excellent h2h fighter and has years more fighting experience over the batman apprentances  


 
I would sincerely love to see you back this up. If you have any scans indicating that Barton's hand-to-hand combat level is equal or superior to Grayson and Drake's, then please show them. 
 But until you can show some scans like that, I will remain completely unconvinced that he could even match them, much less be superior.   
 

 sword skills might not be amazing but hes a therat with any weapon.  


 
     ಠ_ಠ 
I'm sure "therat" is a misspelling of something else, but for the life of me I can't figure out what. 
 
His sword skills are all that really matter in this fight. If you agree that his sword skills are somewhat mediocre, then I have nothing else to say on this point.   
 
EDIT: Oh wait, now I see it. It was supposed to be "threat". 
Perhaps you should start typing a little slower. You seem to mess yourself up a lot.
 

 Nightcrawler agilty will make it far tougher for anybody to hit him and hes unque fighting style will make it even difficult for the big hitters of team one since hes style will be far different to anything they have faced before.  


 
Gambit is nearly Nightcrawler's equal in agility, and he knows his fighting style very well. Daredevil has worked with the X-Men (including Nightcrawler) before. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Moon Knight and Nightcrawler have crossed paths at some point or another. 
Simply put, superhuman agility and a unique fighting style are not nearly enough to make him superior to hand-to-hand combat legends like Daredevil and Nightwing. To enhance my point, go look up scans of Spider-Man (unique fighting style, and even more agile than Nightcrawler) getting his butt handed to him by martial artists.  
 

 At the end of the day it seems most people agree the blades win.  


 
The majority of whom are couple-hundred post guys who offered no argument at all more than "team 2 wins cuz of DS and DP". If a hundred people believe a lie, does that make it true? 
 
You want to know who to listen to? Look at the people who actuall provide valid points and debate to back up their opinion.  
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#27  Edited By (((Prodigy)))
@lazystudent said:
" @Skies327:  that was becasue most poeple where ignorant of the facts back then, which on this site  and with common characters isnt as probable. "
You'd be surprised.
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#28  Edited By czarny_samael666
@(((Prodigy))) said:
" @czarny_samael said:
" @ThaMessenger07 said:
" @czarny_samael:  How will Nightcrawler make a substantial difference? "
Nightcrawler has the best agility from all people here. "
Gambit comes in very close behind him. And while Nightcrawler is extremely agile, he isn't known much for his raw skill. "
With his agility and two blades it would be enough to stop his stick with his sword andcut him with his second sword. And he is faster than Gambit.
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#29  Edited By (((Prodigy)))
@czarny_samael said:
" @(((Prodigy))) said:
" @czarny_samael said:
" @ThaMessenger07 said:
" @czarny_samael:  How will Nightcrawler make a substantial difference? "
Nightcrawler has the best agility from all people here. "
Gambit comes in very close behind him. And while Nightcrawler is extremely agile, he isn't known much for his raw skill. "
With his agility and two blades it would be enough to stop his stick with his sword andcut him with his second sword. And he is faster than Gambit. "
It's not nearly as simple as that. You think the person with two weapons will always beat the person with one? I am reminded of the battle scene near the end of The Attack of the Clones, when for a short time Anakin had two lightsabres while Dooku had only one... and Dooku was still toying with Anakin. 
And while he is arguably more agile, I have never seen any evidence indicating that Nightcrawler is faster than Gambit.
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#30  Edited By goldenshot80

Deadpool:Hey, whats green and smelly? THE INCREDIABLE HUNK. 
Clone Deadpool 2 and 3: HAHAHAHAHA GAHHHH
 
Team 2 wins

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#31  Edited By (((Prodigy)))
@goldenshot80 said:

" Deadpool:Hey, whats green and smelly? THE INCREDIABLE HUNK.  Clone Deadpool 2 and 3: HAHAHAHAHA GAHHHH  Team 2 wins "

 
 
 
 
 
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wat. 
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#32  Edited By EdwardWindsor
@(((Prodigy))):  the spelling mistake was obviously threat. Barton has been stated by Cap to be preety much his equal, who in turn due to the crossover considered equal to batman. So the skill of the Robins is preety much the same or less than Barton due to tha fact that Cap said he was his equal. Where as the Robins arent really equal to Bruce. Deathstroke knowing two of his opponents means he's gonna be tougher to beat and since they are essentially the biggest threats to him thats why it matters. As for saying to me about scans you havent provided any yourself so proove me wrong. 
 
Facts remAin you have provided no credible evidence to why you think team 1 will win and nothing that will change my opinion on team 2 .Most of the peope who seem to agree team 2 will win all have much higher post counts than you actualy, with majority in the thousands so nice try with that BS. Dont like it to bad thats the last you will from me on that matter.
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#33  Edited By (((Prodigy)))
@lazystudent:   

  the spelling mistake was obviously threat.  


 
I apologize for having difficulty reading your mistake.  
 

 Barton has been stated by Cap to be preety much his equal, who in turn due to the crossover considered equal to batman. So the skill of the Robins is preety much the same or less than Barton due to tha fact that Cap said he was his equal. Where as the Robins arent really equal to Bruce.  


 
Holy s**t. You just took ABC logic to an unprecedented level. 
I'm not asking for what Cap may have said at one time, or the showings from a non-canon comic, or your opinion on whether or not Grayson is inferior to Bruce. What you need to show me are actual hand-to-hand combat feats from Barton himself that indicate he is on the same level as anyone else we're talking about. 
But, honestly, I can kinda understand why you seem incapable of providing scans like that. I've looked through some of the most extensive Hawkeye respect threads I can find, and I have never seen any scans that show him having that level of skill. So if you don't actually know of any good hand-to-hand feats for Barton, it's OK to just say so.  
 

 Deathstroke knowing two of his opponents means he's gonna be tougher to beat and since they are essentially the biggest threats to him thats why it matters.  


 
It could be argued that Daredevil is a bigger threat to Deathstroke than the two Robins are, (I mean, really, have you seen how long those Daredevil vs Nightwing debates get?) but DS doesn't know crap about him.   
 

 As for saying to me about scans you havent provided any yourself so proove me wrong.    


 
I need to provide scans that show that Hawkeye isn't better than the Robins? How is that supposed to work? Do you want me to give scans of all his low PIS showings or something? Do you want me to show every scan of every fight Hawkeye has ever had? Scans only show how good someone is. Not how bad they are. You're the one claiming Barton is at an extremely high level of hand-to-hand combat skill. It's up to you to provide scans that show that. 
But you know what? I'm even going to make this easy for you. Here's a link to Strafe Prower's Hawkeye respect thread on TheComicsLedger. It includes pretty much every high showing Hawkeye has ever had. Take your pick. If you find anything there that puts him on the same level as Captain America, let me know. 
  http://thecomicsledger.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=respect&action=display&thread=565 
 

 Facts remAin you have provided no credible evidence to why you think team 1   


 
You mean other than that they have two or three of the most skilled street level fighters in Marvel and DC, they have half an hour of prep time, possibly one team member with superhuman strength, and only two enemies that are serious threats? Well, gosh, in that case I guess you're right. :/  
 
 

Most of the peope who seem to agree team 2 will win all have much higher post counts than you actualy  


 
That is, unless you bring in my primary account, in which I have several thousand posts and am fairly well-known as a solid debater who specializes in street level characters (Power NeXus).  
 
 

with majority in the thousands so nice try with that BS. Dont like it to bad thats the last you will from me on that matter.  


 
You're getting an attitude with me? You're the one who tried to disassemble my opinion from the first page, and have backed it up with nothing better than "most of the other people who posted here agree with me", "I'm a forensics expert so you should listen to me", and "Hawkeye is a better fighter than Nightwing".  
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#34  Edited By MKF30

Hmm, I like both teams here as either I think as a team could win but DS IMO is the smartest or one of the smartest here giving his team an edge due to him alone, he's given Batman a rough time. I think I'll go team 2

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Team 2, because of Deathstroke.

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#36  Edited By Jezer
@lazystudent said:
" @(((Prodigy))):  being and assasin means you have loser morals and therfore are slightly more deadly when push comes to shove."

Eh no...you may be a forensics expert, but you're not a sociologist. 
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#37  Edited By lagoon_boy
Team two stomps.