Posted by paulson3lt (570 posts) 1 year, 18 days ago

Poll: Steve Rodgers V.S Bruce Wayne H2H (147 votes)

Steve Rodgers 60%
Bruce Wayne 40%

No costumes or equipment

Fight takes place in UFC octagon, wearing standard MMA gear

616 and Pre 52

No knowledge or prep

Round 1

Morals on - Fight to KO

Round 2

Bloodlust - Fight to the death

#1 Posted by sync1 (2948 posts) - - Show Bio

Capt should win this. He has enhanced physicals. Only reason Batman ever wins against capt, would be because of gear.

#2 Posted by RBT (4132 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap is very slightly stronger, but I think Bruce is more brutal and possibly better fighter. I'd say Bruce. But he'll have fight of his life.

#3 Posted by SheenLantern (6453 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce

#4 Posted by paulson3lt (570 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve round 1

Bruce round 2

#5 Posted by sync1 (2948 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve round 1

Bruce round 2

Care to explain why?

#6 Posted by SHAZAM117 (2798 posts) - - Show Bio

Like snyc1 said, Cap has the ss serum so his endurance is beyond Bruces

I got Steve in both rounds outlasting Bruce

#7 Posted by bunt947 (375 posts) - - Show Bio

Like snyc1 said, Cap has the ss serum so his endurance is beyond Bruces

I got Steve in both rounds outlasting Bruce

This

#8 Posted by Batman242 (4860 posts) - - Show Bio

Like snyc1 said, Cap has the ss serum so his endurance is beyond Bruces

I got Steve in both rounds outlasting Bruce

Bruce has done some amazing stuff in terms of endurance. Although Cap can endure more, I wouldn't put Cap that much above him in anything.

Round 1 - goes either way

Round 2 - I'd give it to Bruce. Nerve strikes and knowing many ways to kill his opponent

#9 Posted by bunt947 (375 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap fought in World War II. I believe he is good at killing as well

#10 Posted by FrozenPhoenix (1722 posts) - - Show Bio

@bunt947 said:

Cap fought in World War II. I believe he is good at killing as well

Cap fought in World War II.

Bruce fought all his life.

Bruce wins.

#11 Posted by crest (256 posts) - - Show Bio

bruce is a better fighter but cap is no slouch so will get his hits in from speed alone

with caps enhanced durability and k.o power he takes both rounds

correct me if im wrong but cap does have the power to break a normal mans arm with a single blow yes, if that is the case even blocking blows wont do much for bruce in this case

#12 Posted by SHAZAM117 (2798 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman242: True and imo the SS Serum kinda makes this fight unfair, cause if Bruce cant end this fight quickly he's gonna tire before Steve.

Batmans at his best usually with combing his fighting technique with his stealth and gear but in the Octagon there's nowhere to run and he'll be forced to face Rogers head-on

I think its close too as all fights between these two go, but imo Cap would eventually wear Bruce down if Bruce doesn't get the KO or chokeout quickly

#13 Edited by russellmania77 (14828 posts) - - Show Bio

batman

#14 Posted by nickzambuto (13319 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap actually isn't that much stronger than Bruce. If anything, I give Rogers the win based off durability and stamina. Steve also has a slight edge in raw speed, but I think that's evened out by the precision with which Bruce Wayne's movements are coordinated (deflecting machine gun fire off his gauntlets for example)

#15 Edited by RBT (4132 posts) - - Show Bio

Durability? Lets see. A not holding back, stronger version of Superman(from future) threw Bruce at bat car and he stood up seconds laster. So, no. Cap is hardly more durable than him.

#16 Edited by dondave (35932 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce

#17 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (471 posts) - - Show Bio

Where are scans to show Cap. is stronger than Bruce?

And since when did Cap know 127 different types of martial arts, including developing one of his own? I don't see Cap. winning either rounds.

#18 Edited by Batman242 (4860 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman242: True and imo the SS Serum kinda makes this fight unfair, cause if Bruce cant end this fight quickly he's gonna tire before Steve.

Batmans at his best usually with combing his fighting technique with his stealth and gear but in the Octagon there's nowhere to run and he'll be forced to face Rogers head-on

I think its close too as all fights between these two go, but imo Cap would eventually wear Bruce down if Bruce doesn't get the KO or chokeout quickly

I can agree with that. But Batman usually isn't the person to try to keep a fight going. He'd try to at least do some damage before going in for the final blow.

And the Octagon actually has plenty room to run. You can just climb the cage. A guy that outclasses him in some way is nothing new to Bruce. Other than that insane endurance that Cap has. Round 1 is harder than round 2 to debate on to me.

@rbt said:

Durability? Lets see. A not holding back, stronger version of Superman(from future) threw Bruce at bat car and he stood up seconds laster. So, no. Cap is hardly more durable than him.

.... What? I'm pretty sure that's PIS or Superman didn't throw him that hard, OR it was non-canon.

#19 Edited by RBT (4132 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242 It was very much canon(i think so). It was in the Superman/Batman issue with a huge kryptonite meteor approaching the earth. Superman from future was going for kill.

#20 Edited by OhItsThatGuy (791 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap. Faster, stronger, and more durable. Greater stamina too. Also, I don't buy Batman's number of styles will save him. Captain America has fought people that know more styles and were superhuman, and did incredibly well.

#21 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (6096 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce is more skilled but Cap is slightly stronger and faster. But Batman has fought Bane who is also skilled and way stronger so I say Bruce.

#22 Posted by Batman242 (4860 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@Batman242 It was very much canon(i think so). It was in the Superman/Batman issue with a huge kryptonite meteor approaching the earth. Superman from future was going for kill.

Can you show the scan?

#23 Posted by RBT (4132 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242 I'm using mobile. But it did happen.

#24 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (471 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap. Faster, stronger, and more durable. Greater stamina too. Also, I don't buy Batman's number of styles will save him. Captain America has fought people that know more styles and were superhuman, and did incredibly well.

Know more styles? Like who? Batman has also fought superhumans, I would say many more than Captain America, and has done well against pretty much all of them, without prep most the time I might add.

#25 Edited by heroesgold (608 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm, It could go either way, but I'm leaning more towards Batman because he seems to have superior skill.

#26 Posted by Batman242 (4860 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@Batman242 I'm using mobile. But it did happen.

What issue is it? I can read it soon.

#27 Posted by RBT (4132 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242 Superman/Batman Vol 12.

#28 Posted by dondave (35932 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@Batman242 I'm using mobile. But it did happen.

What issue is it? I can read it soon.

Kingdom Come Superman didn't drop the car on Bruce, he disappeared before he could and Superman flew Batman away before it dropped on him.

#29 Posted by dondave (35932 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@Batman242 Superman/Batman Vol 12.

It's Superman/Batman issue 2 not 12

#30 Posted by RBT (4132 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave It's Public Enemies 2. Plus I wasn't talking about dropping the car on Bruce. Before that Superman threw him at the car.

#31 Posted by dondave (35932 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@dondave It's Public Enemies 2. Plus I wasn't talking about dropping the car on Bruce. Before that Superman threw him at the car.

My Bad, It's Superman/ Batman issue 2 but part of the Public Enemies Storyarc

#32 Posted by OhItsThatGuy (791 posts) - - Show Bio

@imboredletsdebate: Taskmaster, Black Panther, and Wolverine know more styles and all of them are capable of superhuman shenanigans. Cap has shown himself quite capable with all three. Also, Batman's win/lose record is shaky, One moment, he's beating up man-bats, and the other he's getting made a fool of by the Joker and Two-Face.

#33 Edited by Wolverine08 (40565 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at the nerds here who have never been in a fight and assume "Batman knows 127 martial arts, he's unbeatable!" Being a great fighter isn't about styles, itis about creating an efficient fighting system which allows you to adapt to anything somebody throws at you. Steve is an expert at this. When he fought Black Panther (someone who knows all the worlds martial arts) Panther notes that Steve had a fighting style that allowed him to "gilde" and "adapt" to anything thrown at him. All in all, Steve is an equally great fighter as Batman, and is physically superior to him, he should take both rounds.

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#34 Posted by i_like_swords (13816 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at the nerds here who have never been in a fight and assume "Batman knows 127 martial arts, he's unbeatable!" Being a great fighter isn't a about styles, itis about creating an efficient fighting system which allows you to adapt to anything somebody throws at you. Steve is an expert at this. When he fought Black Panther (someone who knows all the worlds martial arts) Panther notes that Steve had a fighting style that allowed him to "gilde" and "adapt" to anything thrown at him. All in all, Steve is an equally great fighter as Batman, and is physically superior to him, he should take both rounds.

I agree with this. It's always bugged me in the classic Batman vs Cap arguments when people start spouting "Batman knws 8934 mashal ertz!" So what? Caps been well trained, is great at adapting, and has experience to boot. He's also seen war and was the deciding difference in the fight against Hydra. Batman gets beaten up by villains then thinks of some awesome plan to defeat them, whereas Cap gets knocked down, gets back up, and caves their skull in with his shield.

If Batman fought Cap, he'd get knocked down, and he wouldn't be able to run away and make a plan. Atleast not in this scenario. It'd be a great fight, but neither one is noticeably more skilled than the other.

#35 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at the nerds here who have never been in a fight and assume "Batman knows 127 martial arts, he's unbeatable!" Being a great fighter isn't about styles, itis about creating an efficient fighting system which allows you to adapt to anything somebody throws at you. Steve is an expert at this. When he fought Black Panther (someone who knows all the worlds martial arts) Panther notes that Steve had a fighting style that allowed him to "gilde" and "adapt" to anything thrown at him. All in all, Steve is an equally great fighter as Batman, and is physically superior to him, he should take both rounds.

ERMAHGERD DONT U KNO BATMAN KNOWZ MORE DAN 127 MARTIAL ARTZ HEEZ UNDEFEATEDFEATABALE.

In all seriousness, what is it with 'Rodgers'? Why do people keep messing up the surname...it's Rogers without a D...jeez...

#36 Posted by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Bruce better but cap is as skilled a fighter as u will find in comic books. In most of his battles he barely gets touched even against superhumans.

#37 Edited by Visemoon (333 posts) - - Show Bio

@sync1 said:

Capt should win this. He has enhanced physicals. Only reason Batman ever wins against capt, would be because of gear.

2nd that

#38 Posted by RBT (4132 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@Batman242 I'm using mobile. But it did happen.

What issue is it? I can read it soon.

Read it yet?

#39 Posted by fiodestromus (1008 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap should win this kind of close but he takes it

#40 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6217 posts) - - Show Bio

@bunt947 said:

Cap fought in World War II. I believe he is good at killing as well

Cap fought in World War II.

Bruce fought all his life.

Bruce wins.

Bruce has not "fought" longer than Captain America. That's a misleading comment. At best, they've both been at the hero thing for relatively the same length of time. Bruce has "trained" since childhood (i.e. since seeing his parents slaughtered before his eyes), and Steve since a young man of 18. But the serum has allowed Steve to learn and absorb lessons at a far faster rate than a "normal" human.

Point was, Bruce is not a killer. While he avoids killing, Steve has had to end a life on numerous occasions during the war. So why folks feel the "to the death" portion favors Bruce over Steve is beyond me. I don't see either as having a particular advantage over the other "morals off" and to the death. Like Batman, Captain America would be a beast without morals.

Fact is, pure hand to hand battle has to favor the enhanced human over the peak human. Steve has better "physical" feats over Batman - that's a fact that has been proven over and over again in numerous other threads.

Cap actually isn't that much stronger than Bruce. If anything, I give Rogers the win based off durability and stamina. Steve also has a slight edge in raw speed, but I think that's evened out by the precision with which Bruce Wayne's movements are coordinated (deflecting machine gun fire off his gauntlets for example)

I disagree Nick. Steve's significantly more enhanced than Bruce. Just his shield toss feats alone ... the one feat fans attach themselves to is his bench pressing pic. The visuals alone make that bar hoisting over 1000lbs an impossibility. There's no way there's 1000lbs on that bar. I still feel the artist, at most, was trying to suggest Bruce was benching 500lbs total. Which, even then, there are only a handful of people on this earth who could bench over 500lbs, let alone rep out with it.

#41 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6217 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve wins both rounds.

Due to the difference in physical stats, it would be like pitting a lightweight against a heavyweight (to stick with the MMA analogy given in the OP). The skill gap is not so extreme to justify Batman overpowering Steve in a pure hand to hand struggle given the difference in stats. Bats'll take a few, but not for a majority win.

#42 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozenphoenix said:

@bunt947 said:

Cap fought in World War II. I believe he is good at killing as well

Cap fought in World War II.

Bruce fought all his life.

Bruce wins.

Bruce has not "fought" longer than Captain America. That's a misleading comment. At best, they've both been at the hero thing for relatively the same length of time. Bruce has "trained" since childhood (i.e. since seeing his parents slaughtered before his eyes), and Steve since a young man of 18. But the serum has allowed Steve to learn and absorb lessons at a far faster rate than a "normal" human.

Point was, Bruce is not a killer. While he avoids killing, Steve has had to end a life on numerous occasions during the war. So why folks feel the "to the death" portion favors Bruce over Steve is beyond me. I don't see either as having a particular advantage over the other "morals off" and to the death. Like Batman, Captain America would be a beast without morals.

Fact is, pure hand to hand battle has to favor the enhanced human over the peak human. Steve has better "physical" feats over Batman - that's a fact that has been proven over and over again in numerous other threads.

@nickzambuto said:

Cap actually isn't that much stronger than Bruce. If anything, I give Rogers the win based off durability and stamina. Steve also has a slight edge in raw speed, but I think that's evened out by the precision with which Bruce Wayne's movements are coordinated (deflecting machine gun fire off his gauntlets for example)

I disagree Nick. Steve's significantly more enhanced than Bruce. Just his shield toss feats alone ... the one feat fans attach themselves to is his bench pressing pic. The visuals alone make that bar hoisting over 1000lbs an impossibility. There's no way there's 1000lbs on that bar. I still feel the artist, at most, was trying to suggest Bruce was benching 500lbs total. Which, even then, there are only a handful of people on this earth who could bench over 500lbs, let alone rep out with it.

Well said. A rough estimate puts Cap and Bruce at having fought for roughly the same time. And even when he was a superhero, Cap is often willing to end lives if need be. The first issue of Brubaker alone has Cap fatally injuring a bunch of train hijackers.

And Steve is a fair amount stronger than Bruce. Pre-52 Batman has some pretty high-end strength feats like punching through brick walls and lifting heavy sarcophagi, but at the end of the day, Cap still surpasses him in that department. This is someone who has knocked out superhumans like Namor and U.S. Agent, and deflected Mjonir's trajectory with a shield throw.

#43 Edited by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman very underestimate here...as I always thought, and now we have the prove.

#44 Edited by WaveMotionCannon (5340 posts) - - Show Bio

#1 Posted by sync1 (1421 posts) - 16 hours, 46 minutes ago - Show Bio

Capt should win this. He has enhanced physicals. Only reason Batman ever wins against capt, would be because of gear.

This. Superior physicals and comparable skills give Cap the win.

#45 Posted by SeAnonymous (17 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce know's several weak points of the body and i'm guessing he'd use that to his advantage plus batman has been trained from childhood and several skilled fighters from the DCU

#46 Posted by Batman242 (4860 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@batman242 said:

@rbt said:

@Batman242 I'm using mobile. But it did happen.

What issue is it? I can read it soon.

Read it yet?

Nope, I'm actually still looking for it. What issue title and number is it exactly?

#47 Posted by Darksider555 (399 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap wins round 1, due to superior physical stats

Bruce wins round 2 due to more lethal martial arts including Leopard Blow which can kill a human in one strike and cap is peak human,right?

#48 Posted by RBT (4132 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242 It's second issue of public enemies arc. The one where Metallo shot Superman with kryptonite.

#49 Posted by dondave (35932 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@batman242 said:

@rbt said:

@Batman242 I'm using mobile. But it did happen.

What issue is it? I can read it soon.

Read it yet?

Nope, I'm actually still looking for it. What issue title and number is it exactly?

Superman/Batman #2

#50 Edited by Cable_Extreme (9036 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve wins both rounds.

Due to the difference in physical stats, it would be like pitting a lightweight against a heavyweight (to stick with the MMA analogy given in the OP). The skill gap is not so extreme to justify Batman overpowering Steve in a pure hand to hand struggle given the difference in stats. Bats'll take a few, but not for a majority win.

Cap America is trained and his endurance is a lot better than Bruce Banner's, but Bruce doesn't have to overpower him here, he just has to play it smart. An example would be Batman vs Deathstroke, Deathstroke having enhanced speed/strength/mind and is extremely skilled, Batman made it to the point where Deathstroke said he wouldn't want to fight him without his enhancements for the reason that Batman is so skilled. Deathstroke outclasses Captain America in nearly every attribute, yet if Batman put up a fight vs Deathstroke, then is goes to show that a simple stats in endurance/ speed will not be enough to claim the victory for captain america. It only helps Captain America compete with Bruce's skill. Bruce uses Nerve strikes, never really seen Captain America use any or be without his shield too much so he will be out of his comfort zone while bruce will not be.