#1 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

who wins this ffa?

no prep, no nothing. battle in metropolis

#2 Posted by New_World_Order (13042 posts) - - Show Bio

BUMP.

#3 Posted by dagmar_merrill (8122 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid.

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#4 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12027 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid wins.........BFR them away with the Omega Beams, Starro already killed Despero once, telepathy doesn't work on Darkseid from what I remember and he is the only one who can BFR.....so as long as there's BFR, Darkseid wins.

#6 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid wins.........BFR them away with the Omega Beams, Starro already killed Despero once, telepathy doesn't work on Darkseid from what I remember and he is the only one who can BFR.....so as long as there's BFR, Darkseid wins.

no bfr who wins now?

#7 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12027 posts) - - Show Bio

no bfr who wins now?

Stalemate, either Starro or Darkseid can kill Despero ... but Starro is probably too vast to kill and Darkseid really can't die and almost always loses via BFR or PIS Surrender ...... neither can really win.

#8 Edited by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos said:

no bfr who wins now?

Stalemate, either Starro or Darkseid can kill Despero ... but Starro is probably too vast to kill and Darkseid really can't die and almost always loses via BFR or PIS Surrender ...... neither can really win.

how do u know if darkseid can kill despero? btw despero cant die either he can regenerate and im talking about starro the conqueror, which is the humanoid starro, not the giant star

#9 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

STARRO

#10 Edited by Ancient_0f_Days (12027 posts) - - Show Bio

how do u know if darkseid can kill despero? btw despero cant die either he can regenerate and im talking about starro the conqueror, which is the humanoid starro, not the giant star

Cus Darkseid is a better fighter than he is and can still disintegrate him with the Omega Beams or turn him into a marble....Didn't know it was humanoid Starro...maybe if you put some DETAIL in the op like a few simple PICTURES and BIOS or even a slight DESCRIPTION like the RULES SAY...I'd have known ....thank's for the heads up....Darkseid can kill humanoid Starro too since it is being identified as one entity in this fight and as so won't have consciousness somewhere else where it can survive... in this scenario Darkseid is faster and overall more versatile than the Conqueror and should have no problem disintegrating or transmuting him .... he was easily frozen by Ice I believe ....

#11 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos said:

how do u know if darkseid can kill despero? btw despero cant die either he can regenerate and im talking about starro the conqueror, which is the humanoid starro, not the giant star

Cus Darkseid is a better fighter than he is and can still disintegrate him with the Omega Beams or turn him into a marble....Didn't know it was humanoid Starro...maybe if you put some DETAIL in the op like a few simple PICTURES and BIOS or even a slight DESCRIPTION like the RULES SAY...I'd have known ....thank's for the heads up....Darkseid can kill humanoid Starro too since it is being identified as one entity in this fight and as so won't have consciousness somewhere else where it can survive... in this scenario Darkseid is faster and overall more versatile than the Conqueror and should have no problem disintegrating or transmuting him .... he was easily frozen by Ice I believe ....

despero took out the justice league numerous times with ease though, while darkseid has trouble with superman.

omega beams only work only beings lower level than superman level and despero is above superman level.

how can darkseid kill starro, if starro killed despero (hes not really dead, he regenerated himself) who destroyed the justice league multiple times?

what about desperos telepathic powers? he could mind rape darkseid and what about starro, who could just put a star on darkseids face?

#12 Edited by Ancient_0f_Days (12027 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos said:

despero took out the justice league numerous times with ease though, while darkseid has trouble with superman.

omega beams only work only beings lower level than superman level and despero is above superman level.

how can darkseid kill starro, if starro killed despero (hes not really dead, he regenerated himself) who destroyed the justice league multiple times?

what about desperos telepathic powers? he could mind rape darkseid and what about starro, who could just put a star on darkseids face?

"I'm sure there have been hundreds of posts describing what a massive PIS-fest Superman/Batman was, and yet those are the two instances that people quote over and over again. Just to be clear: we're all aware of Jeph Loeb's idea of plausible scenarios are, right? This is the guy who considered it plausible that Rulk could leap at an Elder of the Universe and beat him to death, and punch out the Watcher on his spare time. This is the guy who considered it plausible that Catwoman could humiliate freaking Cheetah, the villain who blitzes Wonder Woman. This is the guy who considered it plausible that Batman could whale on Superman while wearing a tiny kryptonite ring, and yet also lose to Superman in a fight where he was literally shooting kryptonite out the wazoo. After he established that shooting a tiny piece of kryptonite into Superman's heart would leave him virtually incapable of defending himself, he writes an incident where Superman beats the goddamn Kryptonite Batman. With nerve strikes, of all things. People say "it's canon, get over it", and I'm not even going to dignify responses like that. Loeb also made a point of insisting in practically every Kryptonian-related work he wrote that Supergirl was stronger and faster than Superman (she's not, but he thinks so). To that effect, he wrote a story where a morals off Supergirl stomped a team consisting of Martian Manhunter, Flash and Green Lantern, any one of whom could arguably beat her. More of his idiotic writing. And yet, Loeb also wrote a story where an angry Supergirl punched Darkseid in the face and he didn't even notice it. No one ever brings that up before defending Loeb's idea of what Darkseid should be like, do they? I could go on and on, but ok. Setting aside Action Comics #586 for a minute because of the Desaad issue, Superman/Batman#13 is the only actual win that Superman could claim over Darkseid without any kind of suspicion being drawn to it. And that was Superman amped by being almost on the surface of the sun. Loeb's sundipped Superman was moving Warworld through space, so there's that. There's the fight inApokolips Now where Darkseid surrenders, asks for quarter even, because Superman has blinded him and he can thus no longer employ his Omega Effect. What? Since when has he needed his physical eyes to use the OE? He's disintegrated Kalibak with a touch, created holographic images of himself that could fire the Omega Beams, fired them out of other people's eyes, hell when he was in the Source he was manipulating a giant statue of himself that could fire Omega Beams. He's manipulated the very terrain of Apokolips to form shapes and figures, he could have literally made a stone effigy of himself that fired Omega Beams. Again, did he suddenly forget what he could do? Superman couldn't even beat a horde of Darkseid's shadow demons inDeath of the New Gods. He even acknowledged that they defeated him. And yet......nobody brings that up either. I'm curious, what exactly was your first experience (or first few) with Darkseid that convinced you he should be such a chump? Was it before or afterSuperman/Batman?"

Darkseid stomped the Justice Leauge in new 52 but also has a habit of pimp slapping Superman whenever he possibly can

Since you cannot prove the Omega Beams only work on beings below Superman (since they've worked on Cyborg Superman who has stomped Superman, they worked on H/P Doomsday, they worked on Infinity Man who beat Superman, they worked on Orion who stalmated and beat Superman, they worked on Martian Manhunter who beat Ultraman and they worked on Agog who beat Orion) you are speaking out of IGNORANCE.

About Darkseid having trouble with Superman....he can even spawn Shadow demons, capable of overwhelming Superman! These demons can be spawned out of the ground and can come in massive forces (possibly hundreds or more, as shown in the Firestorm scans):

So, I'm sure Despero has an answer for that right? Starro has one too right?

Unless you can show me an instance where Darkseid who is a telepath himself was even mildly effected by telepathy...you don't know what Starro or Despero can do to him...

Darkseid wins, easily

#13 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos said:

despero took out the justice league numerous times with ease though, while darkseid has trouble with superman.

omega beams only work only beings lower level than superman level and despero is above superman level.

how can darkseid kill starro, if starro killed despero (hes not really dead, he regenerated himself) who destroyed the justice league multiple times?

what about desperos telepathic powers? he could mind rape darkseid and what about starro, who could just put a star on darkseids face?

"I'm sure there have been hundreds of posts describing what a massive PIS-fest Superman/Batman was, and yet those are the two instances that people quote over and over again. Just to be clear: we're all aware of Jeph Loeb's idea of plausible scenarios are, right? This is the guy who considered it plausible that Rulk could leap at an Elder of the Universe and beat him to death, and punch out the Watcher on his spare time. This is the guy who considered it plausible that Catwoman could humiliate freaking Cheetah, the villain who blitzes Wonder Woman. This is the guy who considered it plausible that Batman could whale on Superman while wearing a tiny kryptonite ring, and yet also lose to Superman in a fight where he was literally shooting kryptonite out the wazoo. After he established that shooting a tiny piece of kryptonite into Superman's heart would leave him virtually incapable of defending himself, he writes an incident where Superman beats the goddamn Kryptonite Batman. With nerve strikes, of all things. People say "it's canon, get over it", and I'm not even going to dignify responses like that. Loeb also made a point of insisting in practically every Kryptonian-related work he wrote that Supergirl was stronger and faster than Superman (she's not, but he thinks so). To that effect, he wrote a story where a morals off Supergirl stomped a team consisting of Martian Manhunter, Flash and Green Lantern, any one of whom could arguably beat her. More of his idiotic writing. And yet, Loeb also wrote a story where an angry Supergirl punched Darkseid in the face and he didn't even notice it. No one ever brings that up before defending Loeb's idea of what Darkseid should be like, do they? I could go on and on, but ok. Setting aside Action Comics #586 for a minute because of the Desaad issue, Superman/Batman#13 is the only actual win that Superman could claim over Darkseid without any kind of suspicion being drawn to it. And that was Superman amped by being almost on the surface of the sun. Loeb's sundipped Superman was moving Warworld through space, so there's that. There's the fight inApokolips Now where Darkseid surrenders, asks for quarter even, because Superman has blinded him and he can thus no longer employ his Omega Effect. What? Since when has he needed his physical eyes to use the OE? He's disintegrated Kalibak with a touch, created holographic images of himself that could fire the Omega Beams, fired them out of other people's eyes, hell when he was in the Source he was manipulating a giant statue of himself that could fire Omega Beams. He's manipulated the very terrain of Apokolips to form shapes and figures, he could have literally made a stone effigy of himself that fired Omega Beams. Again, did he suddenly forget what he could do? Superman couldn't even beat a horde of Darkseid's shadow demons inDeath of the New Gods. He even acknowledged that they defeated him. And yet......nobody brings that up either. I'm curious, what exactly was your first experience (or first few) with Darkseid that convinced you he should be such a chump? Was it before or afterSuperman/Batman?"

Darkseid stomped the Justice Leauge in new 52 but also has a habit of pimp slapping Superman whenever he possibly can

Since you cannot prove the Omega Beams only work on beings below Superman (since they've worked on Cyborg Superman who has stomped Superman, they worked on H/P Doomsday, they worked on Infinity Man who beat Superman, they worked on Orion who stalmated and beat Superman, they worked on Martian Manhunter who beat Ultraman and they worked on Agog who beat Orion) you are speaking out of IGNORANCE.

About Darkseid having trouble with Superman....he can even spawn Shadow demons, capable of overwhelming Superman! These demons can be spawned out of the ground and can come in massive forces (possibly hundreds or more, as shown in the Firestorm scans):

So, I'm sure Despero has an answer for that right? Starro has one too right?

Unless you can show me an instance where Darkseid who is a telepath himself was even mildly effected by telepathy...you don't know what Starro or Despero can do to him...

Darkseid wins, easily

if darkseid stomped justice league in the new 52, why are people saying hes a jobber in new 52?

how did they work on cyborg superman, doomsday, infinity man, orion, etc? show some scans of them being disintegrated.

where are those scans from? are they even canon?

look at the darkseid vs thanos thread majority of the people agree that thanos will win but now look at the thanos and starro or despero thread majority of the people agree thanos will lose

despero telepathy is stronger than martian manhunter whos the strongest telepath, darkseids telepath isnt even on martian manhunters level.

#14 Posted by dondave (36562 posts) - - Show Bio

@ancient_0f_days said:

@jobbernos said:

despero took out the justice league numerous times with ease though, while darkseid has trouble with superman.

omega beams only work only beings lower level than superman level and despero is above superman level.

how can darkseid kill starro, if starro killed despero (hes not really dead, he regenerated himself) who destroyed the justice league multiple times?

what about desperos telepathic powers? he could mind rape darkseid and what about starro, who could just put a star on darkseids face?

"I'm sure there have been hundreds of posts describing what a massive PIS-fest Superman/Batman was, and yet those are the two instances that people quote over and over again. Just to be clear: we're all aware of Jeph Loeb's idea of plausible scenarios are, right? This is the guy who considered it plausible that Rulk could leap at an Elder of the Universe and beat him to death, and punch out the Watcher on his spare time. This is the guy who considered it plausible that Catwoman could humiliate freaking Cheetah, the villain who blitzes Wonder Woman. This is the guy who considered it plausible that Batman could whale on Superman while wearing a tiny kryptonite ring, and yet also lose to Superman in a fight where he was literally shooting kryptonite out the wazoo. After he established that shooting a tiny piece of kryptonite into Superman's heart would leave him virtually incapable of defending himself, he writes an incident where Superman beats the goddamn Kryptonite Batman. With nerve strikes, of all things. People say "it's canon, get over it", and I'm not even going to dignify responses like that. Loeb also made a point of insisting in practically every Kryptonian-related work he wrote that Supergirl was stronger and faster than Superman (she's not, but he thinks so). To that effect, he wrote a story where a morals off Supergirl stomped a team consisting of Martian Manhunter, Flash and Green Lantern, any one of whom could arguably beat her. More of his idiotic writing. And yet, Loeb also wrote a story where an angry Supergirl punched Darkseid in the face and he didn't even notice it. No one ever brings that up before defending Loeb's idea of what Darkseid should be like, do they? I could go on and on, but ok. Setting aside Action Comics #586 for a minute because of the Desaad issue, Superman/Batman#13 is the only actual win that Superman could claim over Darkseid without any kind of suspicion being drawn to it. And that was Superman amped by being almost on the surface of the sun. Loeb's sundipped Superman was moving Warworld through space, so there's that. There's the fight inApokolips Now where Darkseid surrenders, asks for quarter even, because Superman has blinded him and he can thus no longer employ his Omega Effect. What? Since when has he needed his physical eyes to use the OE? He's disintegrated Kalibak with a touch, created holographic images of himself that could fire the Omega Beams, fired them out of other people's eyes, hell when he was in the Source he was manipulating a giant statue of himself that could fire Omega Beams. He's manipulated the very terrain of Apokolips to form shapes and figures, he could have literally made a stone effigy of himself that fired Omega Beams. Again, did he suddenly forget what he could do? Superman couldn't even beat a horde of Darkseid's shadow demons inDeath of the New Gods. He even acknowledged that they defeated him. And yet......nobody brings that up either. I'm curious, what exactly was your first experience (or first few) with Darkseid that convinced you he should be such a chump? Was it before or afterSuperman/Batman?"

Darkseid stomped the Justice Leauge in new 52 but also has a habit of pimp slapping Superman whenever he possibly can

Since you cannot prove the Omega Beams only work on beings below Superman (since they've worked on Cyborg Superman who has stomped Superman, they worked on H/P Doomsday, they worked on Infinity Man who beat Superman, they worked on Orion who stalmated and beat Superman, they worked on Martian Manhunter who beat Ultraman and they worked on Agog who beat Orion) you are speaking out of IGNORANCE.

About Darkseid having trouble with Superman....he can even spawn Shadow demons, capable of overwhelming Superman! These demons can be spawned out of the ground and can come in massive forces (possibly hundreds or more, as shown in the Firestorm scans):

So, I'm sure Despero has an answer for that right? Starro has one too right?

Unless you can show me an instance where Darkseid who is a telepath himself was even mildly effected by telepathy...you don't know what Starro or Despero can do to him...

Darkseid wins, easily

if darkseid stomped justice league in the new 52, why are people saying hes a jobber in new 52?

how did they work on cyborg superman, doomsday, infinity man, orion, etc? show some scans of them being disintegrated.

where are those scans from? are they even canon?

look at the darkseid vs thanos thread majority of the people agree that thanos will win but now look at the thanos and starro or despero thread majority of the people agree thanos will lose

despero telepathy is stronger than martian manhunter whos the strongest telepath, darkseids telepath isnt even on martian manhunters level.

He didn't job in the New 52, people were just basis that off the fact that he was able to be hurt by Aquaman's Trident and Wonder Woman's sword which in itself isn't a low feat.

Most of the scans are from Death of the New Gods, which is canon

#15 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12027 posts) - - Show Bio

Considering the fact that the OP made this thread without even know what he's talking about, I see no reason for this thread to even be open....I'll just see how long it lasts

#16 Posted by TifaLockhart (14044 posts) - - Show Bio

Starro. And Despero was defeated by a dose of Superman's heatvision in Superman/Batman circa issue 32 or 33.